Homeland Security Unveils Deportation Plan

>>THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HAS RELEASED A NEW SET
OF RULES HAVING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION LAW AND ENFORCEMENT
IN THE UNITED STATES, LARGELY REMOVING A SET OF PROTECTIONS
THAT WERE SET UP UNDER BARACK OBAMA THAT PROVIDED PROTECTIONS
FROM DETAINMENT AND DEPORTATION FOR CERTAIN SORTS OF IMMIGRANTS,
AND ALSO PAVES THE WAY FOR A NEW ROUND OF DEPORTATIONS, PERHAPS
MASS DEPORTATIONS --
>>SO THERE IS A LOT THERE, WE WILL BREAK DOWN SOME OF IT
THOUGH --
>>WHAT THEY MEAN THERE ARE THAT IF YOU AID IN ANY WAY PEOPLE,
KIDS, GETTING INTO THIS COUNTRY, YOU CAN THEN BE DEPORTED EVEN IF
YOU HAVE NO OTHER CRIMINAL RECORD OF ANY SORT, WHICH
GENERALLY WASN'T THE CASE IN THE PAST.
THEY PUT OUT A QUOTE
SAYING --
>>BECAUSE OF COURSE THOSE ARE
TWO OF THE BEST ARGUMENTS FOR
WHY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GO TO THE GREAT EXPENSE AND RISK OF
HAVING KIDS SMUGGLED INTO THE UNITED STATES, SO THEY CAN
GENERALLY JOIN UP WITH FAMILY THAT ALREADY LIVES HERE.
NOW
THOSE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE KIDS BUT ALSO THE ADULTS, CAN BE
SHIPPED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>>WE KNOW THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE THAN
PRESIDENT BUSH.
WHAT WAS THE OBAMA STANDARD?
>>THAT IS TECHNICALLY ACCURATE.
>>WHAT WAS THE OBAMA STANDARD FOR DEPORTATION?
>>THEY DID A FEW THINGS THAT REDUCED SOME PRESSURE ON CENTURY
CITIES, THAT REQUIRED HIGHER LEVELS OF CRIMINAL RECORDS TO BE
DEPORTED -- AS WE SAID THEY WOULDN'T INVESTIGATE CERTAIN
SORTS OF ACTIVITY LIKE BEING KNOWN TO HAVE HELPED A CHILD
ENTER THE COUNTRY, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND YOU CAN FIND THE INFORMATION ONLINE, I BROKE IT DOWN ON
THE SHOW YESTERDAY, CHARTS ARE AVAILABLE.
>>WHY DID THE NUMBER GO UP?
WHO WAS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION --
>>THEY STARTED TO CLASSIFY ACTIVITY THAT HAD BEEN
PREVIOUSLY AS WIDESPREAD AS A DEPORTATION.
BASICALLY BORDER
DEPORTATIONS AND INTERNAL DEPORTATIONS, THOSE ARE TWO
DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS WHEN YOU APPREHEND PEOPLE WHO HAVE IN
MANY CASES LITERALLY JUST CROSSED THE BORDER INSIDE OF 50
MILES, 75 MILES, FROM THE BORDER AND YOU REMOVE THEM FROM THE
COUNTRY, VERSUS GOING INTO SAN FRANCISCO, TAKING PEOPLE, AND
DEPORTING THEM SOUTH OF THE BORDER.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
THINGS, THEY ARE BOTH TECHNICALLY DEPORTATIONS.
THE
ONES CLOSE TO THE BORDER SKYROCKETED UNDER BARACK OBAMA,
AND THEY CONSTITUTED -- YOU CAN FIND THE CHARTS BREAKING DOWN
PER YEAR -- THEY WERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE DEPORTATIONS,
AND THEY ARE THE REASON THE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER THAN UNDER
BUSH.
IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THOSE THINGS, AND THERE ARE REASONS
TO, BUT IF YOU DON'T HE DEPORTED FAR FEWER PEOPLE.
HE WENT AROUND THE COUNTRY DEPORTING FEWER PEOPLE.
>>THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER, THANK YOU.
>>IT'S NOT JUST THE GEOGRAPHIC THING AND THAT THE PEOPLE BEING
DEPORTED HAVE GENERALLY BEEN HERE FOR A SHORTER TIME NEAR THE
BORDER, IT'S ALSO THAT THE CLASSIFICATION THEY ARE GIVEN
WHEN THEY ARE SENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY IS DIFFERENT.
SO
PREVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAD BEEN SENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY IN A WAY THAT
NOTIFIES AUTHORITIES THAT THEY ARE NEVER TO BE ALLOWED BACK
INTO THE COUNTRY, WHERE IS UNDER BARACK OBAMA THERE WAS A RISE IN
A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION OF DEPORTATION WHERE IT MAKES IT
EASIER TO LATER REENTER THE COUNTRY.
THAT BECAME MUCH
BIGGER.
AGAIN, BOTH OF THEM ARE TECHNICALLY DEPORTATIONS, WHICH
ALLOW PEOPLE TO MUDDY THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT.
>>SO CLAIMING THAT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OBAMA'S
DEPORTATION TACTICS IS STRETCHING.
>>BUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION USES THIS TO CLOAK THEIR EXTREME
VIEWS.
>>I
TRIED TO RESEARCH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I HAD TROUBLE FINDING IT
AND I GAVE IT EIGHT MINUTES SO I GOT BORED, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>>THERE ARE CHARTS YOU CAN SEE.
>>I FOUND NO CHARTS, JOHN.
MY COMPUTER DOESN'T GET CHARTS, I
DON'T HAVE THAT SETTING.
IT'S OLDER.
>>NERD.
>>BUT I THINK IT'S -- IT'S CERTAINLY -- THIS MOSTLY APPLIES
TO PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WHO WILL CRITICIZE PRESIDENT OBAMA,
AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD.
>>YOU CAN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE BORDER DEPORTATIONS
AS WELL, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, I WOULD JUST SAY DON'T LET
THEM TOGETHER SO YOU CAN MAKE A BROAD, INACCURATE POINT
ABOUT OVERALL DEPORTATION.
>>IN GENERAL IF WHAT YOU SAY IS COMPLETE, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING
YOU, I'M JUST SAYING --
>>IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S NOT, LOOK UP YOURSELF.
>>AGAIN, NEW COMPUTER -- THAT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
LIKE, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A WALL BUT WE HAVE A BORDER, AND
IF YOU CATCH SOMEBODY WITHIN 50 MILES, TAKE THEM BACK.
YOU DON'T
DO IT BARBARICALLY, BUT TAKE THEM BACK.
THAT IS A QUICKLY
SOLVABLE CRIME -- I'M SURE I'M ILLUMINATING TO PROCESS, PERHAPS
IT SOUNDS LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY THEY DIDN'T, PUT
THEM IN A TRUCK AND DROVE THEM BACK ACROSS THE BORDER?
>>THAT IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE CHANGES UNDERWAY, IS THAT THE
DEPORTATIONS THAT DID EVENTUALLY HAPPEN UNDER BARACK OBAMA WERE
FAR MORE LIKELY TO INCLUDE AN ACTUAL PERIOD OF DETAINMENT
INSIDE OF THE COUNTRY THAT ALLOWED FOR CONSULTATION WITH
LAWYERS, ALLOWED FOR HEARINGS WITH JUDGES -- A LOT OF
THOSE WOULD STILL END UP WITH DEPORTATION BUT THERE WAS A
PERIOD WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF APPEAL OR CONSIDERATION.
>>SOME DUE PROCESS.
>>EXACTLY.
THESE RULES ACTUALLY TAKE AWAY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE
PERIODS OF DETAINMENT, AND INSTEAD LEAD TO IMMEDIATE
DEPORTATION.
>>IT GOES TO WHAT I PRESUMED, WHICH IS THAT YOU CAN TELL FROM
RHETORIC, YOU LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND LOOK AT THEM, THAT'S WHY I
DON'T UNDERSTAND LITERALLY ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR DONALD
TRUMP IN THE SENSE THAT I GOT IT, HE SPOKE TO YOUR -- THAT THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD ABANDONED WORKING-CLASS VOTERS AND DECIDED
-- THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THIS
ELECTION WENT WRONG, THAT'S ONE OF THEM, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL
BE EASILY WILLING TO ADMIT THAT -- BUT ON FACE AND HAIR ALONE,
AND THE MANNER OF SPEAKING -- I'M NOT EVEN MAKING A JOKE ABOUT
HOW HE LOOKS, I DID BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO, I HEAR THAT GUY AND I'M
LIKE, HE'S A FRAUD.
AND WHEN HIM AND HIS PEOPLE AND WOULD STEPHEN
MILLER, WHO LOOKS SCARY TO ME, AND GLANCES OFF CAMERA BECAUSE
HE'S GOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, NOTE CARDS, CUE CARDS THAT HE NEEDS
TO FOLLOW -- YOU LOOK AT THESE GUYS AND YOU THINK, THEY ARE BAD
DUDES.
THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF IMMIGRATION
POLICY.
GEORGE W. BUSH AND BARACK OBAMA -- I CAN'T BELIEVE
I USED GEORGE W. BUSH AS EXAMPLES OF NORMALCY -- THAT
THEY HAD DIFFERENT POLICIES ON IMMIGRATION BUT THEY WERE WITHIN
THE FRAMEWORK OF A NORMAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO ON
IMMIGRATION.
WE SENSED THAT GEORGE W. BUSH WANTED TO DO THE
RIGHT THING ON IMMIGRATION BUT WAS PULLED TO THE RIGHT BY HIS
PARTY AND COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE.
THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT AND COMPARING IT TO THE KIND OF
RHETORIC THAT WENT ON DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION -- AND YES
THE NUMBERS INCREASED BECAUSE OF THAT ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF
IMMIGRANT YOU REFERRED TO -- THE RHETORIC AND THE IDEA AND THE
COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO BE WAS DIFFERENT, THERE IS
FUNDAMENTALLY NO COMPARISON.
AND I KNOW ALREADY, I SMELLED IT AND
YOU SENSE IT AND YOU CAN READ IT NOW, A CERTAIN ELEMENT ON THE
LEFT WHO WILL SAY, WELL NOW, SURE, DEMOCRATS ARE ANGRY ABOUT
IT BECAUSE IT'S DONALD TRUMP DOING IT, WHEREAS THEY WERE
QUIET WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS DOING IT. AND IT IS A
FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT APPROACH, LANGUAGE, DIFFERENT
TYPE OF PERSON DOING IT, AND THESE GUYS, THEY JUST SIMPLY
DON'T MEAN WELL.
>>YOU CAN HEAR IT IN THE RHETORIC AND WE CRITICIZE SAYING
IT'S NOT LIKE TRUMP HAS A SERIOUS SORT OF APPROACH -- HIS
SUPPORTERS DON'T WANT IT.
THEY LITERALLY WANT SOMETHING
FANCIFUL.
A WALL PUT UP, PEOPLE LOADED INTO BUSES AND SENT
ACROSS THE BORDER -- THEY WANT FANCIFUL, SIMPLISTIC SOLUTIONS
BECAUSE THEY FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T SEE THESE PEOPLE AS HUMANS, AS
PEOPLE, IN THE SAME WAY THEY SEE PEOPLE WHO LOOK AND ACT LIKE
THEM.

Homeland Security Unveils Deportation Plan

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