Ex-Spy on Russia Meddling in U.S. Elections

ALL EYES ON MONDAY'S HEARING.
>> NICK PAT I DON'T KNOW WALSH.
THANK YOU.
>>> LET'S BRING IN JACK BARS KI,
HE WAS A KGB AGENT.
HE WAS SPYING ON THE U.S. CLOSE
TO THE END OF THE COLD WAR.
THAT WAS UNTIL HE WAS CAUGHT BY
THE FBI.
NOW HE'S AN AMERICAN SIT ZEPP
AND TELLING A STORY IN A NEW
BOOK CALLED "DEEP UNDERCOVER" MY
SECRET LIFE AS A KGB SPY IN
AMERICA.
YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS IS GOING TO
BE AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
JACK GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE THIS
MORNING.
YOU BECAME A SPY FOR THE
KREMLIN.
YOU WERE WORKING UNDERCOVER HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES.
YOU'RE HEARING ALL THE
ALLEGATIONS BEING MADE ABOUT THE
ELECTION AND HOW RUSSIA MAY HAVE
TRIED TO INFLUENCE IT.
DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT
RUSSIA HAS ACTUALLY SOMEHOW
INFILTRATED THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> I DON'T SPECULATE.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE
INTELLIGENCE REALM.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN IT COMES
TO INTELLIGENCE MATTERS, THE
REAL TRUTH, IF IT EVER COMES
OUT, MAY TAKE 30, 40, 50 YEARS
TO COME OUT.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE WHAT HAPPENED
IN THE UNITED STATES WITH REGARD
TO SOVIET SPYING IN THE '40s AND
'50s IS NOW PRETTY MUCH OUT IN
THE OPEN BUT IT TOOK A LONG
TIME.
SO TODAY WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
REALLY FIND THE TRUTH.
>> IF YOU CAN'T VERIFY IT OR
PROVE IT RIGHT NOW, IS IT
SOMETHING AND YOU WOULD KNOW, IS
IT SOMETHING THAT RUSSIA WOULD
WANT TO DO AND HAS TRIED IN THE
PAST?
>> IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
IT'S EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT.
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, THAT'S
FICTION.
IT WOULD REQUIRE A GRAND
CONSPIRACY.
IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP
SECRET.
WHEN I WAS UNDERCOVER, THERE
WERE ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE WHO KNEW
ABOUT ME.
FIVE.
WE KEPT IT PRETTY SECRET.
>> WELL, SO IF THEY CAN'T HAVE A
GRAND CONSPIRACY, THERE COULD BE
SUBTLE WAYS.
WHAT I BRING UP HERE IS, OF
COURSE, WE KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN
CONNECTIONS TO VARIOUS PEOPLE
CONNECTED TO THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A FLOW
CHART, I BELIEVE, THAT GIVES YOU
A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO IS
CONNECTED AND HOW.
WHAT I'M WONDERING AS YOU LOOK
AT THIS, AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THE
VARIOUS NAMES BEING THROWN OUT
HERE, DOES THAT IMPLY SOME KIND
OF SUBTLE INTRIGUE EITHER BY
BUYING OR CONNECTING TO THESE
VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE WHITE
HOUSE OR THE ADMINISTRATION OF
GETTING IN THERE?
>> I HONESTLY DON'T BUY INTO THE
INTRIGUE.
WHAT I WOULD BUY INTO IN A BIG
WAY IS THE RUSSIANS TRYING TO
CREATE CHAOS IN THIS COUNTRY,
TRYING TO DESTABILIZE THIS
COUNTRY.
IN THAT MATTER THEY'RE
SUCCEEDING.
WE'RE THROWING BOMBS AT EACH
OTHER.
THE BOOK OF MARK, 2000 YEARS
OLD.
A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF.
FAMOUSLY QUOTED BY ABRAHAM
LINCOLN.
WE'RE PUS IBUS DIVIDING OUR OWN
HOUSE.
IF I'M PUTIN, I'M ENJOYING THE
SHOW.
IT ALSO HAS HISTORIC PRECEDENT.
THE OTHER STUFF, TO ME, I DON'T
WANT TO SPECULATE.
>> ALL THESE SORT OF PAID
RELATIONSHIPS, OCCASIONS WHERE
MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION,
BEEN PAID FOR THIS OR THAT, THAT
YOU DON'T THINK IS AN ATTEMPT TO
BUY A MOLE OR BUY SOMEBODY.
IT'S MORE OF JUST TRYING TO
RAISE THE QUESTIONS IN
EVERYONE'S MIND AND PLANT THESE
SEEDS OF HMM?
>> YES.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME
NAIVETE IN PLAY, PARTICULARLY
WITH OUR PRESIDENT WHO WAS NEVER
REALLY IN THE REALM OF
INTERNATIONAL POLITICS AND
THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN
THAT WAY.
BUT I JUST CANNOT AT THIS
POINT -- IT WOULD BE IMPROPER
FOR ME TO GO DOWN THAT PATH TO
SPECULATE ANY MORE.
>> BESIDES DIVIDING THE HOUSE,
IS THERE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE HERE
BY PUTIN?
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS ANOTHER
GRAND PLAN YET TO COME.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S NOT A
SECRET THAT PUTIN, THE RUSSIANS
ARE TRYING TO REBUILD WHAT THEY
LOST, FOR THE LONG TIME NEVER
HAD AND SORT OF HAD UNDER
STALIN, WHICH IS SOVIET/RUSSIAN
EMPIRE.
AS LONG AS WE'RE FOCUSED
INTERNALLY AND NOT FOCUSED ON
THAT PLAN, THAT GIVES THEM MORE
LEEWAY TO DO THINGS WE REALLY
DON'T WANT DONE.
>> CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF
THE TACTICS THAT WOULD BE
EMPLOYED, SAY, TODAY BY RUSSIAN
AGENTS WHO I PRESUME ARE HERE TO
CAUSE THIS DESTABLE SILIZATION
QUESTIONING IN THE MEDIA.
>> FIND FRIENDLY FOLKS IN THE
MEDIA OR PEOPLE WHO ARE
INFLUENCERS AND FEED THEM
DISINFORMATION.
THAT'S BEEN DONE MISINFORMATION
AS LONG AS THE KGB.
>> DO YOU THINK THE WIRETAP IS
PURPOSELY FEEDING --
>> WHOSE WIRETAP INFORMATION?
>> ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND TRUMP
TOWER.
>> POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO JOIN THE
CHORUS OF SPECULATORS.
IN REALM OF INTELLIGENCE, VERY
FEW PEOPLE WHO KNOW AN THE MORE
YOU START SPECULATING ABOUT
THINGS, THE MORE YOU ACTUALLY
FEEDING INTO THE FOLKS WHO ARE
TRYING TO CREATE THAT KIND OF
CHAOS.
>> BUT YOU DO HAVE THIS
OBVIOUSLY REALLY INTERESTING
PERSPECTIVE.
YOU MUST WATCH THESE EVENTS HOW
THEY UNFOLD IN THE MEDIA OR IN
THE WHITE HOUSE AND WONDER, OR I
SEE FINGERPRINTS HERE AND THEY
GO BACK TO MOSCOW?
>> SEE, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN
THESE KINDS OF OPERATIONS.
>> I UNDERSTAND.
>> I WAS PRIMARILY INTO
POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE.
>> IT'S THE MIND-SET I GUESS I'M
GOING FOR.
>> THE MIND-SET, ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU CAN, YOU WILL PROBE
EVERYWHERE YOU CAN AND FIND WAYS
TO MAKE A LITTLE DENT HERE AND
THERE.
ABSOLUTELY.
SURE.
THEY HAVE AN ARMY OF PEOPLE NOT
ONLY LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE
OFFICIAL EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO
COLLABORATORS AND INFORMANTS AND
THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
>> SHOULD WE BE WORRIED AS A
NATION OR JUST AWARE AND ALERT?
>> WHAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED
ABOUT REALLY IS CYBER WARFARE.
CYBER WARFARE IS THE MODERN --
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH COLD WAR
2.0.
>> RUSSIA WOBBLING TO LAUNCH
CYBER WARFARE --
>> NOT JUST RUSSIA.
OTHERS.
THE POTENTIAL FOR DAMAGE IS
PHENOMENAL.
EQUALS POSSIBLY EXCEEDS ONE OR
TWO NUCLEAR BOMBS.
YOU COULD PRETTY MUCH
INCAPACITATE MAJOR COUNTRIES.
>> I HAVE BACKGROUND IN
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY BESIDES
HAVING BEEN A SPY.
AND I KNOW A BIT ABOUT THAT
STUFF.
THIS IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS.
YOU KNOW, THE POLITICAL
WRANGLING BACK AND FORTH, I
DON'T LIKE IT.
SHOULDN'T BE DONE.
BUT THAT'S A FACT.
BUT I THINK THE DANGERS DO NOT
FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUE, WHICH
IS CYBER WARFARE.
>> DO YOU THINK WE'RE BEING
DIST
DISTRACTED?
>> YES WE AR

Ex-Spy on Russia Meddling in U.S. Elections

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