JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THE SEPTEMBER 8th MEETING?
WHO ON YOUR STAFF WAS THERE AND
WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR?
>> THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR
APPARENTLY SENT A STAFFER TO MY
OFFICE.
I DID NOT SEE HIM, AND ASKED FOR
A MEETING AS SO MANY OF THE
AMBASSADORS WERE DOING.
AND WE SET UP A TIME, AS WE DID,
AS WE NORMALLY DID, AND WE MET
WITH HIM.
TWO OF MY SENIOR STAFFERS WERE
THERE, AND MAYBE A YOUNGER
STAFFER, TOO, AND THEY BOTH
RETIRED ARMY COLONELS AND NOT
POLITICIANS, AND WE HAD A -- WE
LISTENED TO THE AMBASSADOR AND
WHAT HIS CONCERNS MIGHT BE.
>> WELL, JUST NORMAL THINGS SUCH
AS I STARTED OFF BY SAYING -- I
DON'T REMEMBER A LOT OF IT, BUT
I DO REMEMBER SAYING I HAD GONE
TO RUSSIA WITH A CHURCH GROUP IN
1991, AND HE SAID HE WAS NOT A
BELIEVER HIMSELF, BUT HE WAS
GLAD TO HAVE CHURCH PEOPLE COME
THERE.
INDEED, I THOUGHT HE WAS PRETTY
MUCH OF AN OLD STYLE SOVIET TYPE
AMBASSADOR.
AND, SO, WE TALKED ABOUT -- A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT TERRORISM, AS I
RECALL, AND SOMEHOW THE SUBJECT
OF THE UKRAINE CAME UP.
I HAD HAD THE UKRAINIAN
AMBASSADOR IN MY OFFICE THE DAY
BEFORE TO LISTEN TO HIM.
RUSSIA HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG IN
ANY AREA AND EVERYBODY ELSE WAS
WRONG WITH REGARD TO THE
UKRAINE.
IT GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A
TESTY CONVERSATION AT THAT
POINT.
IT WRAPPED UP.
HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT INVITING
ME TO HAVE LUNCH.
I DID NOT ACCEPT THAT, AND THAT
NEVER OCCURRED.
>> [ INAUDIBLE ].
>> I DON'T RECALL, BUT MOST OF
THESE AMBASSADORS ARE PRETTY
GOSSIPY, AND THEY LIKE -- THIS
WAS IN THE CAMPAIGN SEASON,