Chris Hayes Senses Trump Lacks Something Called 'Principles'

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!
FOLKS, MY NEXT GUEST IS THE EMMY-WINNING HOST OF "ALL IN
WITH CHRIS HAYES" ON MSNBC.
PLEASE WELCOME CHRIS HAYES!
( BAND PLAYING ) ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
HOW ARE YOU DOING?
>> I'M GREAT.
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL.
>> Stephen: ISN'T IT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE?
>> ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
>> Stephen: NOW, YOU'RE THE HOST OF "AL "ALL IN WITH CHRIS
HAYES."
>> I AM.
>> Stephen: DID YOU EVER SAY, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE NAMED IT
SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VAGUELY SEXUAL.
>> YOU'RE LITERALLY THE FIRST PERSON TO MENTION THAT.
>> Stephen: REALLY?
ABSOLUTELY.
IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME.
>> Stephen: NEVER OCCURRED TO YOU?
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GO ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES.
SO FAR, JUST THE TIP.
I'VE TRIED.
>> HOW HARD HAVE YOU TRIED?
( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: YOU'RE A REAL NEWS
MAN, OKAY?
YOU'RE AN ACTUAL NEWS GUY.
>> NICE SEGUE, BY THE WAY.
>> Stephen: THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IN THE BUSINESS A
RIGHT-ANGLE TURN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Stephen: NOW YOUR UH YOU'RE A REAL NEWS MAN.
DID YOU COVER THE REAL EASTER EGG ROLL, THAT IT SAYS ABOUT
FOREIGN POLICY?
>> YEAH, I THINK WE WILL COVER IT.
WE WON'T GO SUPER LONG ON IT.
>> Stephen: BUT YOU WILL GO SUPER HARD ON IT.
>> WE WILL -- >> Stephen: YOU'RE MSNBC.
YOU'LL GO ALL THE WAY ON IT.
YOU WILL GET THAT EGG ALL THE WAY IN THERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT TO AIR ON CBS
RIGHT NOW.
( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )
THEY'RE, LIKE, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, YOU KNOW WE CAN'T USE THIS
STUFF.
YOU GUYS ARE THE LIBERAL LEFTY NEWS THING, RIGHT?
FOX IS THE CONSERVATIVE.
LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
FOX IS THE CONSERVATIVE, YOU'RE A LIBERAL LEFTY.
CNN IS A BIT OF A MISMASH AT TIMES ARE.
YOU GUYS EVER MAD THAT HE'S MORE MAD AT CNN THAN YOU GUYS BECAUSE
HE CRAP TALKS THEM ALL THE TIME AND BARELY EVEN SAYS --
>> IT'S THE CLASSIC NAG BY NOT MENTIONING US.
>> Stephen: BUT THINGS ARE GOING GREAT FOR MSNBC BECAUSE --
EXPLAIN WHAT THIS GUY SAID TODAY?
>> YEAH, IN A GREAT WAY, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN A REAL AWAKENING OF
CIVIC CONSCIOUSNESS BROADLY.
I THINK IT'S BENEFITED ME, OUR SHOWS, MEDIA FROM NEWSPAPERS TO
ALL KINDS OF SHOWS PEOPLE ARE DOING.
>> Stephen: EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH DONALD TRUMP TO
ME RIGHT NOW AND, LIKE, HOW YOU AS SOMEONE --
>> HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE?
>> Stephen: LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK.
>> YOU WANT ME TO CATCH YOU UP?
>> Stephen: I THOUGHT MAYBE WE WOULD BE GOING TO WAR WITH KOREA
BECAUSE WE WERE DROPPING BOMBS ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
RIGHT WHEN WE LEFT.
CHINA IS NOW NO LONGER A CURRENCY MANIPULATOR.
RUSSIA IS NO LONGER OUR FRIEND.
ASSAD IS NOW BAD.
N.A.T.O. IS GOOD.
HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR COMPADRES PROCESSING ALL THE SHIFTS AND DO
YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY?
( APPLAUSE ) BECAUSE IF WHAT HE SAID BEFORE
WAS BAD, AND NOW HE'S SAYING THE OPPOSITE, ISN'T HE, THEREFORE,
GOOD?
>> NO.
I THINK -- LOOK, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON THINGS LIKE N.A.T.O.,
I'M GLAD HE HAS COME AROUND.
>> Stephen: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IS HE'S NOT
PARTICULARLY WELL-INFORMED AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: BUT WHAT HE DOES
HAVE, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CHOCOLATE CAKE YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
BY THE WAY, THAT CHOCOLATE CAKE DID NOT LOOK THAT GOOD.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE CAKE?
>> Stephen: THERE ARE PICTURES?
>> THERE ARE DEFINITELY PICTURES OF THE CHOCOLATE CAKE AND I'M,
LIKE, THAT'S ACTUALLY BAD CAKE.
>> Stephen: COME ON, YOU'RE ATTACKING A CAKE NOW?
LEAVE THE MAN'S CAKE ALONE.
>> BUT HERE'S THE THING, BECAUSE TO HAVE THE COMBINATION OF THE
FACT THAT I DON'T THINK EHE HAS A REAL DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
STUFF AND I DON'T THINK HE HAS A REAL SET OF PRINCIPLES, IT MEANS
HE'S ENDLESSLY FLEXIBLE BUT ALSO ENDLESSLY MANIPULATED.
THE LAST PERSON IN THE ROOM CAN GET HIM TO GO FROM CHINA'S A
CURRENCY MA LIP LATER TO NOT, RUSSIA'S OUR BUDDY TO NOW
ADVERSARY.
IT'S REALLY UNSETTLING.
YOU WONDER WHO WILL BE THE PERSON WHO FLIPS HIM IN ANY
GIVEN MOMENT.
>> Stephen: IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE A MATTER OF MOOD, WHAT MOOD
HE'S IN TODAY.
>> THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MAD KING AIR TO IT.
THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT SORT OF SHAKESPEARE DEPICTIONS OF
COURTLY LIFE, RIGHT, THE KING IS THERE AND THE KING JUST HAS
IMPULSES, AND THEN THERE'S ADVISORS WHO COME IN WHO HAVE
ACTUAL VIEWS, AND IF THEY GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE KING, THEN
THEY CAN GET THE KING TO HAVE THEIR VIEW AS WELL, AND YOU GET
THAT FEELING, PARTICULARLY THE WAY ALL THIS SORT OF PALACE
INTRIGUE IS COVERED THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS HIS EAR CAN GET
THE GUY TO ESSENTIALLY AGREE TO ANYTHING.
>> Stephen: WHO DO YOU TRUST OVER THERE?
>> NO ONE.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: JUST HAD TO CHECK.
NOW, YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK CALLED A COLONY IN A NATION.
I ASSUME THE NATION IS US, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> IT'S A SUBSET OF US.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
"A COLONY IN A NATION."
WHAT IS THE COLONY AND WHAT IS THE NATION?
>> THE PREMISE OF THE BOOK IS THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT POLICING
REGIMES IN THIS COUNTRY.
A PART OF IT WHAT I CALL THE NATION, WHAT YOU EXPECT IN A
FREE AND OPEN SOCIETY, AND THE PART OF IT I CALL A COLONY WHERE
YOU HAVE A POLICING REGIME THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD
EXPECT IN A POLICE STATE.
>> Stephen: OKAY, SO HOW CAN I TELL WHETHER I'M IN THE COLONY
OR THE NATION?
>> IT'S PRETTY EASY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE STEPHEN
COLBERT -- >> Stephen: IMAGINE IF I
WASN'T BELOVED -- ( LAUGHTER )
>> THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.
>> Stephen: I KNOW.
I KNOW.
IT'S UPSETTING JUST TO THINK ABOUT.
>> BUT HERE'S AN EASY TEST.
>> Stephen: A WHITE MIDDLE AGED MAN, I'M DEFINITELY IN THE
NATION, NOT THE COLONY?
>> THE EASIEST TEST IS HOW OFTEN DO YOU INTERACT WITH THE COPS?
>> Stephen: NOT THAT OFTEN.
WHEN I FORGET TO TURN OFF MY ALARM.
>> AND THE COLBERT UNIT IS SENT TO YOUR HOUSE.
>> Stephen: THEY SHOW UP WITH GUNS.
( LAUGHTER ) >> A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS
COUNTRY GO MONTHS OR YEARS WITHOUT INTERACTING WITH THE
COPS AND INTERACT WITH THEM CASUALLY.
WE ALL WANT TO HAVE ZERO INTERACTION BECAUSE WE DON'T
WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF CRIMES.
AND THEN A SUBSET OF MEN'S WHO ARE INTERACTING WITH THE COPS
ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU READ STOP AND FRISK IN NEW YORK, THE LEVELS OF
DISRUPTION ARE SUCH THAT AT SOME KEY, FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, THEIR
BASIC LIBERTY IS BEING CONSTRAINED IN A WAY THAT SHOULD
MATTER TO ALL OF US AS AMERICANS.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE SAY THERE IS A COMMONALITY BETWEEN THAT
EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT?
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REVOLUTION WAS ABOUT TAXATION
WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, WHAT IT WAS REALLY ABOUT WAS THE WAY
CUSTOMS LAWS WERE ENFORCED TO SQUEEZE THE COLONIES WHICH
INAUGURATED THE KING, WHERE EVERY BOAT, HOUSE AND SHIP WAS
SEARCHED WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS IN.
THE DECK LAREGULATION OF INDEPENDENCE, THOMAS JEFFERSON
COMPLAINS AND SAYS THE KING HAS SENT HITHER SWARMS OF OFFICERS
TO HARASS OUR PEOPLE AND EAT THEIR SUBSTANCE.
THAT WAS JEFFERSON AND THE POLICE.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: THE BOOK, "A
COLONY IN A NATION," A MAN CHRIS HAYES, "ALL IN."

Chris Hayes Senses Trump Lacks Something Called 'Principles'

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