Ron Fournier: Donald Trump Supporters Still Want Disruption | Morning Joe

♪ ♪ >>> PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT
THAT. >> WHATEVER IT IS, I WANT TO
HEAR IT. >> A GREATERRY FRANCONA STORY.
>> >>> JOINING US NOW PUBLISHER AND EDITOR OF CRANE'S DETROIT
BUSINESS, RON FORNIER. HIS BOOK "LOVE THAT BOY" IS OUT
IN PAPERBACK. GREAT BOOK.
WE HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER HERE WITH RON'S THOUGHTS ON THEM.
>> ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS CAN BE CONTAINED ON ONE SINGLE PIECE OF
PAPERER? >> IT'S A SMALL LIST.
>> RON, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
YOU HAVE EIGHT THOUGHTS FROM TRUMP COUNTRY.
NUMBER ONE, DON'T FORGET WHY HE WAS ELECTED.
WHY WAS HE ELECTED? >> BECAUSE MOST OF THIS COUNTRY
DESPERATELY WANTS CHANGE IN POLITICS.
THIS ELECTION WAS ABOUT PEOPLE'S HUNGER FOR CHANGE VERSUS THEIR
FEAR OF THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE. THAT ITSELF, THAT DYNAMIC --
>> HUNGER FOR CRANE, TOO. >> CRANE DETROIT BUSINESS.
>> GREAT BUSINESS. >> WHEN I CAME BACK HERE AFTER
SPENDING THE SUMMER IN MICHIGAN. SO MANY PEOPLE IN TRUMP COUNTRY
WOULD SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP, HE'S CRAZY, HE'S CRAZY BUT HE'S
PISSING YOU GUYS OFF. HE'S CRAZY, BUT BETTER THAN
THOSE DEMOCRATS, BETTER THAN THOSE REPUBLICANS.
THAT WAS BAKED IN THE CAKE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> THAT LEADS TO NUMBER TWO, WHY HE SURVIVED WHEN OTHER NORMAL
POLITICIANS HAVEN'T. HE HAS SAID THINGS THAT HAVE
BEEN SO SHOCKING, OUR HAIR -- I'LL SAY MY HAIR HAS BEEN ON
FIRE. OKAY, THEY CAN'T STILL BE
SUPPORTING HIM AFTER WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT A JUDGE, WHAT HE SAYS
ABOUT THE PRESS. >> SHOOTING ONE ON FIFTH AVENUE.
>> THERE HAS BEEN SOME FALLOFF OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 50 DAYS OR SO, THIS IS HIM.
YOU GUYS IN THE PRESS ARE FREAKING OUT.
WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. >> WHEN YOU VOTE FOR A GUY AFTER
SAYING HE'S CRAZY, BUT I REALLY WANT DISRUPTION, THEN WHEN HE
COMES BACK AND IS LEADING IN A WAY THAT'S A LITTLE ERRATIC, A
LITTLE CRAZY, THAT'S BAKED IN THE CAKE.
WHAT A LOT OF AMERICANS WANT OUT THERE, NOT ALL BIGOTS, NOT ALL
STUPID, THEY REALLY WANT DISRUPTION AND THEY'RE WILLING
TO TAKE A RISK ON A GUY WHO THEY THINK IS CRAZY.
>> DO YOU SENSE WHAT I SENSE WHEN I TALK TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS
IS HE'S GOT A LONG LEASH WITH THEM?
ALL THESE CONTRADICTIONS ALL WEEK, WE'VE BEEN SAYING HE USED
TO BELIEVE THIS AND NOW HE'S SAYING THIS, THEY'RE GIVING HIM
A PASS. THEY LIKE WHAT HE REPRESENTS
WHICH IS THE CHANGE HE BROUGHT TO WASHINGTON.
>> THEY DIDN'T ELECT HIM WITH A LIST OF POLICIES.
THEY MADE A GUT-LEVEL DECISION THAT THIS IS A GUY WHO IS GOING
TO BRING CHANGE TO A SYSTEM THAT THEY DESPERATELY WANT CHANGED.
>> WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS OUTSIDE THE POLITICAL SYSTEM AND
LOOK AT THE FACT, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT A MAN WHO IS MAKING
THESE KIND OF ABOUT-FACE FLIP-FLOPS, A MAN WHO REALLY
HUNGERS ADULATION. IS IT HEALTHY TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO IS ROOTED IN SAND AND THIRSTY FOR APPLAUSE?
>> TO ME THE BIG QUESTION THAT ARCHES OVER EVERYONE.
GOT ELECTED WITH 46% OF THE POPULAR VOTE, IN THE HIGH 30s
ACCORDING TO MOST OF THE OPINION POLLS.
YOU CAN'T DO BIG THINGS IN AMERICA IF YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT
OF BETWEEN 39 AND 46% OF THE ELECTORATE.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE STILL BEING TRUE TO THE CORE BASE THAT IS,
AS WILLIE SAID, VERY PATIENT WITH HIM?
HE'S GOT TO EXPAND THAT GROUP OF SUPPORTERS AND GET MORE PEOPLE,
PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM, IF HE'S GO INTO GET BIG THINGS
DONE. >> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GET
BEYOND THIS, WHY HE HASN'T LOST HIS BASE.
HE CAN'T LEAD THIS COUNTRY, HE CAN'T CHANGE THIS COUNTRY, BRING
THE KIND OF POSITIVE CHANGE WE NEED IN THIS COUNTRY UNLESS HE
FIGURES OUT HOW TO GET BEYOND THAT 35%.
HE'S DONE VERY LITTLE TO DO THAT I THINK EVEN IN THIS LAST WEEK.
>> I SEE A SHIFT. >> DO YOU THINK HE SHIFTED IN A
WAY THAT'S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE ON BOARD WHO HAVE BEEN SO AFRAID
OF HIM THAT THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE THE STATUS QUO?
>> I THINK -- THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SO MUCH THAT COULD HAPPEN
TOMORROW, SO I'M NOT SITTING HERE BEING DUPED.
BUT I THINK THIS COULD BE, IF HE WANTED IT TO BE, A VERY, VERY
NEW START FOR HIM. IF HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH
THE PEOPLE HE'S BEEN SURROUNDED BY THIS WEEK TO MAKE THE
DECISIONS HE'S MADE AND FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THEM IN A METHODICAL
WAY WITHOUT LURCHING AND THEN USED THE ADVICE OF A DINA POWELL
AND GARY COHEN BEHIND THE SCENES AND MAYBE REINCE BUT NOBODY
ELSE, I THINK, YEAH. >> MARK HALPERIN, I HOPE YOU
DON'T MIND ME SAYING THIS. WE HAD A PHONE CALL LAST NIGHT.
A VERY PRIVATE PHONE CALL. ACTUALLY, NO, THIS PART ISN'T
PRIVATE. WHAT MARK SAID WAS, HE NEEDS A
HENRY McMASTER OF DOMESTIC POLICY.
IF HE HAS SOMEBODY LIKE THAT THAT CAN HELP HIM PUSH
LEGISLATION THROUGH, THEN YOU DO HAVE A FULL PACKAGE.
IF YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE PICKED ON DEFENSE AND
THEN HAVE PEOPLE IN DOMESTIC THAT KNOW HOW TO GET A HEALTH
CARE BILL THROUGH -- IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU DON'T HAVE
PEOPLE IN THERE THAT AREN'T McMASTERS OF DOMESTIC POLICY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN SAY THIS IS HOW YOU --
>> AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THERE.
>> THAT'S POSSIBLE, JOE. MIKA, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS
POSSIBLE. I'M SAYING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
BREADTH OF HIS CAREER AND HIS CAMPAIGN, THERE'S REASON TO
THINK HE HAS AN INTERNAL COMPASS.
>> AND TOMORROW IS SATURDAY MORNING.
>> THE SCARIEST DAY IN AMERICA. >> HERE IS WHAT CHARLES
KRAUTHAMER WRITES, "THE WASHINGTON POST."
THE GREAT REVERSAL FOR NOW. THE WORLD IS AGOG AT PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S HEAD SNAPPING FOREIGN POLICY REVERSAL, HE RUNS ON A
PLATFORM OF AMERICA FIRST, RENOUNCES THE ROLE OF WORLD
POLICEMAN. THEN LAST WEEKEND ASSAD DROPS
CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON REBEL-HELD TERRITORY AND TRUMP LAUNCHES 59
TOMAHAWK MISSILES INTO SYRIA. THIS WAS, IN PART, AN EMOTIONAL
REACTION TO IMAGES OF CHILDREN DYING OF SARIN POISONING, AND,
IN PART, SEIZING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDEEM BARACK OBAMA'S
UNENFORCED RED LINE ON CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
WHATEVER THE REASON, MORAL OR STRATEGIC, TRUMP ACTED AND
EFFECTIVELY RESET HIS ENTIRE FOREIGN POLICY.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT THINGS COULD NOT CHANGE TOMORROW.
WE'VE JUST WITNESSED ONE ABOUT-FACE.
WITH A PRESIDENT WHO COUNTS UNPREDICTABILITY AS A VIRTUE, HE
COULD WELL VERY VERSE COURSE AGAIN.
FOR NOW, U.S. POLICY HAS BEEN NORMALIZED.
>> STEVE BANNON WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE ARGUING AGAINST THE
STRIKE IN SYRIA. THE WHITE HOUSE AND PARTICULARLY
DONALD TRUMP VIEW THE STRIKE AS A SUCCESS FOR HIM.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE STEVE BANNON, THE NATIONALIST AMERICA
FIRST, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOME BEFORE WE GO OUT AND WORRY ABOUT
OUR INTERESTS ABROAD, IS THAT GONE?
IS THE STEVE BANNON INFLUENCE OUT THE WINDOW AT LEAST ON
FOREIGN POLICY? >> I THINK ON FOREIGN POLICY,
THE GOAL I THINK WAS TWOFOLD, THE LONG-TERM PLAY IN THEORY IS
TO GET TO AMERICA FIRST. IT'S TO SHAKE UP THE BOARD, PICK
UP THE BOARD THEY INHERITED FROM BARACK OBAMA AND SHAKE IT UP AND
WATCH THE PIECES MOVE AROUND AND HOPE SOMETHING GOOD COMES OF
THAT. I THINK IT ALSO WAS TO PROJECT
STRENGTH, ACTING IN ONE PART OF THE WORLD, TO PROJECT IT
EVERYWHERE TO MAKE EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT
WILL DO. THAT AMERICA FIRST?
YOU CAN ARGUE IT IS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE WHO CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION, JOBS, SMALL
GOVERNMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CARE MUCH ABOUT THESE
FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES AS COMPARED TO THE DOMESTIC ONES.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT USED TO ENRAGE ME SO MUCH ABOUT BILL
CLINTON BUT ALSO MADE ME UNDERSTAND, MADE HIM SO
DANGEROUS AS A POLITICAL OPPONENT TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
IS THE FACT THAT HE JUST DIDN'T PLAY BY ANYBODY'S RULES.
HE WAS NOT BOUND BY THE SAME RULES THAT PEOPLE, POLITICIANS
WITH A SHRED OF DIGNITY WERE BOUND BY.
THAT ALLOWED HIM TO GO ANYWHERE ANY TIME.
DONALD TRUMP IS NOT ROOTED IN ANYTHING -- WHY IS ARI CALLING
YOU DURING THE SHOW? >> I DON'T KNOW.
>> DOES HE NOT KNOW YOU'RE ON LIVE TV.
>> I THINK HE WANTS TO SHARE AN OPINION.
>> PUT HIM ON SPEAKER PHONE. >> I WILL.
>> WE HAVE A SEVEN-SECOND DELAY. IT'S OKAY.
>> IT MAKES HIM DANGEROUS, BUT IT ALSO AT TIMES CAN BE USED AS
AN EFFECTIVE WEAPON. HE DOESN'T PLAY BY THE SAME
RULES AS EVERYONE ELSE. >> FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, RONALD
REAGAN, LINCOLN HAD THESE TRAITS.
I'M NOT COMPARING HIM TO THESE MEN.
>> YOU SAID SOMETHING, I CANNOT SAY THIS PERSON'S NAME.
ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED NAMES IN WASHINGTON FOUR MONTHS AGO
TOLD MIKA AND ME -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW IS HE GOING TO
BE AS PRESIDENT. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I MET WITH
HIM, HE REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE BOOKS I READ ABOUT FRANKLIN
ROOSEVELT. WE ALMOST FELL OUT OF OUR CHAIR.
HE SAID ROOSEVELT CHANGED HIS STORY WITH WHOMEVER WAS IN THE
ROOM. HE LOVED HAVING PEOPLE ATTACKING
EACH OTHER. AND WHILE THEY WERE ATTACKING
EACH OTHER, HE MOVED FORWARD TO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.
I'M NOT COMPARING HIM TO ROOSEVELT, BUT THE MANAGEMENT
STYLE IS CHAOTIC LIKE THAT. >> THERE IS THAT SIMILARITY.
I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING REAL QUICK THAT I THINK WE'RE
OVERLOOKING A PARADIGM SHIFT. WE TALK ABOUT CIVILIAN CONTROL
IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY, WE
ALSO EXPECT OUR PRESIDENT AND THE CIVILIANS AROUND THE
PRESIDENT TO BE THE COLLECT OF THE MILITARY.
WE'RE TALKING NOW WE HOPE THE MILITARY IS A CHECK ON A
SOMEWHAT ERRATIC PRESIDENT. THAT'S A BIG SHIFT IN THE WAY WE
LOOK AT FOREIGN POLICY AND MILITARY ACTION IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> BE BY THE WAY, MIKA -- >> RON FORNIER, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. >> YOUR STATEMENT WAS GOING TO
BE A COUPLE MINUTES LONGER. >> TOM BROKAW JOINS US.
>> BLOGGERS, HERE IS YOUR HEADLINE, RON FORNIER COMPARES
DONALD TRUMP TO FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT.
GOOD LUCK GETTING BACK TO DETROIT.
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