COMPLICATED.
IT'S NOT COMPLICATED COMPARED TO
OTHER THINGS BEING COMPLICATED.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY
DIDN'T HAVE MORE IN LINE BY THE
TIME I WALKED IN.
>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP TAKING A
SWIPE AT THE REPUBLICAN
CONTROLLED CONGRESS ON HEALTH
CARE.
IS HE REALLY READY FOR ROUND
TWO?
HERE TO TALK WITH ME RICK
SANTORUM.
AND INFORMATION DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN.
CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATORS.
ANNA, DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE
A POINT, RECOGNIZES HAVE BEEN IN
CONGRESS AND CONTROLLING
CONGRESS NOW FOR QUITE SOMETIME.
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
AND SENATOR SANTORUM A FEW
MONTHS AGO EXPRESSED SURPRISE
THAT THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T HAVE
A HEALTH CARE BILL READY TO GO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S WRONG.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT.
I THINK THEY CAUGHT THE BUS AND
THEN THEY WEREN'T READY TO CATCH
THE BUS.
OH, LORD LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.
ALSO I THINK DONALD TRUMP'S
VICTORY WAS A SURPRISE EVEN TO
MOST REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS.
CERTAINLY TO THE LEADERSHIP.
IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I
THINK THE TOUGHEST THING GOING
ON IN WASHINGTON IS THE INTER
REPUBLICAN PARTY INFIGHT.
IT'S A FAMILY THAT'S IN SHAMBLES
RIGHT NOW.
SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTIONS.
IT'S A TOUGHER JOB THAN IT USED
TO BE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, DONALD TRUMP
SHOULD PUT OUT SOME DETAILED
POLICY.
I THINK HE'S ACTUALLY DONE A
PRETTY GOOD JOB REACHING OUT TO
CONGRESS, BETTER THAN PRESIDENT
OBAMA DID.
NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS HIS
FORTE.
BUT HE HASN'T BEEN GOOD ABOUT
DETAILS AND LEADING IN POLICY.
>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A
GOOD ANTI-OBAMA PARTY.
BUT OBAMA IS GONE.
AND SO NOW YOU ACTUALLY -- THIS
PARTY PASSED A GAZILLION BILLS
TO REPEAL HEALTH CARE.
WHEN THEY WEREN'T GOING TO
COUNT.
WHEN NO ONE WAS GOING SIGN THESE
THINGS.
SUDDENLY SOMEONE MAY SIGN THE
THING AND THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT
HOW TO PASS A BILL.
YOU HAD AN ANTI-OBAMA PARTY.
NOW THEY CAN'T GOVERN.
>> IS THIS PROBLEM, SENATOR
SANTORUM TO PLAY DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF OUR
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL FRIENDS
THE PROBLEM THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S POSITIONS DON'T LINE UP
ON MANY OF THESE ISSUES WITH
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL
ORTHODOXY, MORE POPULACE ON
TRADE.
>> THAT'S TRUE OVERALL BUT NOT
TRUE ON HEALTH CARE.
ON HEALTH CARE PRESIDENT TRUMP
IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF DOING
SOMETHING AND REALLY PUNTED TO
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS DROPPED THE BALL.
THEY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT
WASN'T PASSABLE.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS
WORKING ON ALTERNATIVE PLANS
RIGHT NOW.
I'M WORKING WITH SOME OF THOSE
FOLKS.
I HOPE WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT
IS WORKABLE.
THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE MORE
ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN THESE
ISSUES.
ONE FAILING I WOULD GIVE THE
PRESIDENT THAT MAYBE ISN'T
TALKED ABOUT VERY MUCH IS HE
REALLY NEEDS TO GET HIS POLICY
CHOPS, YOU KNOW, IN LINE.
HE HAS TO START UNDERSTANDING
THE DETAILS, PARTICULARLY WHEN
IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE AND
UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS HE
ENGAGES AND IS CONVINCING
MEMBERS NOT I'M GOING TO RUN
SOMEBODY IN A PRIMARY AGAINST
YOU BUT THERE'S A POLICY REASONS
WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS, HERE'S
WHY THIS IS BEST FOR AMERICA
WE'RE IN TROUBLE.
HE'S A POPULIST.
NOT YOUR TYPICAL REPUBLICAN.
ON ISSUES GOING FORWARD THIS IS
WHAT SURPRISED ME ABOUT THE
DEMOCRATS.
THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES OUT THERE
DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE EMBRACING
DONALD TRUMP ON.
>> I THINK THEY WILL.
>> AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST HARD CORE NO
BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM.
>> GOVERNOR, LET ME ASK YOU.
PRESIDENT TRUMP I THINK WHAT
SENATOR SANTORUM IS SAYING AND
HOPEFULLY HE'S LISTENING BECAUSE
IT'S COMING FROM SENATOR
SANTORUM, WE KNOW HE WATCHES CNN
IS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S
IN HIS BILLS THAT HE'S
SUPPORTING, AND IT'S VERY CLEAR,
NOBODY IS FOOLED WHEN HE SAYS
YOU'LL HAVE THE BEST HEALTH
CARE, LOWER COST, LOWER
PREMIUMS, EVERYBODY WILL BE
COVERED.
I MEAN LOT OF THESE, THE POINTS
HE'S MAKING ARE COMPLETELY IN
CONFLICT.
>> AT ODDS WITH BILLS BEING
CONSIDERED.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR
EXAMPLE, THIS PERIOD OF TIME IN
ALL OF THINKS PREDECESSOR'S
POINTS, TIME IN OFFICE, YOU
KNOW, REAGAN AND OBAMA AND BUSH,
THEY ALL HAD SIGNIFICANT BILLS
THROUGH THAT INVOLVED COMPLEX
ISSUES LIKE THE BUDGET.
THEY WERE ALL THROUGH ONE
CHAMBER.
OR TAX PLANS ALL THROUGH CHAMBER
AND IN COMMITTEES THAT WERE
SIGNED WITHIN WEEKS.
EACH OF THEM WERE WORKING IT.
THEY WORKED IT INSIDE OF
CONGRESS.
HE HASN'T DONE THAT.
HE DOESN'T KNOW THE SUBSTANCE AS
RICK IS SUGGESTING.
HE COULD REALLY HAVE COME OUT
STRONG AND DONE SOMETHING ON
RENEGOTIATING NAFTA.
THERE'S LOTS THAT CAN BE DONE
THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD AGREE ON.
HE COULD HAVE POINT TRADE
PROSECUTORS.
HE COULD HAVE DONE THINGS THAT
SPEAK TO HIS BASE.
HE DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT AND
THAT WAS FOOLISH.
>> ONE OF THE AGGRAVATE BENEFITS
FOR DEMOCRATS IS HE STARTED WITH
THE STUFF THAT WAS EASY TO YOU
NIGHT US AGAINST.
IF HE HAD STARTED WITH TRADE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU WOULD BE
SEEING A BIG PROBLEM ON THE
LEFT.
HE STARTED DOING ALL THIS STUFF
WE HATED, HELP US BUILD THE
RESISTANCE UP.
I GIVE THE RESISTANCE AN A-PLUS
IN TERMS OF TAKING ADVANTAGE AND
PUT UP REAL OPPOSITION.
THE OTHER THING IS I GIVE TRUMP
AN F-MINUS FOR LETTING DOWN HIS
OWN BASE.
THERE'S REAL PAIN IN THE TRUMP
VOTER BASE HE HASN'T DEALT WITH.
THE OPIOID CRISIS IS WORSE THAN
EVER.
HIS HEALTH CARE PLAN WOULD HAVE
LET INSURANCE COMPANIES OFF THE
HOOK FOR HELPING WITH ADDICTION.
COAL MINERS, 20,000 OF THEM ARE
GOING LOSE THEIR HEALTH CARE.
HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT
IT.
>> HE'S TALKED ABOUT IT.
THERE'S A BILL WORKING ITS WAY
THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S GOING TO GET DONE.
>> I'LL TELL YOU THIS, THOUGH.
HE'S GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE
DOUBT FROM THE TRUMP DAYS, FIRST
100 DAYS.
BUT IF HE CONTINUES TO JUST
OFFEND LIBERALS AND THEN NOT
DELIVER FOR HIS OWN BASE AT SOME
POINT THIS BEGINS TO PILE UP.
HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING --
>> I SPENT A YEAR SAYING THAT.
AT SOME POINT THIS WILL START TO
MATTER.
AT SOME POINT LIVES WILL START
MATTERING.
AT SOME POINTS THE "ACCESS
HOLLYWOOD" OF TAPES WILL
MATTERING.
INSULTS WILL MATTER.
WE WENT THROUGH AN ENTIRE
CAMPAIGN AND IT NEVER MATTERED.
IT'S IMPREIVE TO SEE HOW MUCH OF
HIS BASE IS STICK WITH HIM.
>> 96%.
>> PEOPLE WHO ARE WITH TRUMP
HAVE A PRIEFD OWNERSHIP AND IT
WILL TAKE A LOT, LIKE FELONY LOT
TO GET THEM AND MAYBE NOT EVEN
THAT.
>> LISTEN, HE'S DOING A GREAT
JOB KEEPING HIS BASE.
I HAVE TO SAY I SPENT A LOT OF
TIME DOWN IN TRUMP TERRITORY.
THERE'S A DESPERATION THAT
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS SHOULD
PAY MORE ATTENTION TO FOR REAL
RELIEF FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
HURTING.
OPIOID CRISIS STILL NOT BEING