IT'S A QUESTION WE HAVE ASKED REPEATEDLY ON THIS BROADCAST,
WHY SUCH DEVOTION FROM THE PRESIDENT FOR HIS FORMER
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MIKE FLYNN, WHAT IS IT?
TODAY, YAHOO PUBLISHED A REPORT THAT FLYNN SAYS HE GOT A MESSAGE
FROM THE PRESIDENT LATE LAST MONTH TO QUOTE, STAY STRONG.
AND THE DAILY BEAST REPORTING THAT TRUMP HAD TO TALK FLYNN
INTO TAKING A WHITE HOUSE JOB AND HOPES FLYNN CAN IT L.A..ER
RETURN TO YET ANOTHER WHITE HOUSE ROLE.
ADDING TO THE PALACE INTRIGUE TODAY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH
MIKE PENCE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK ON FLYNN'S TRANSGRESSIONS.
OFFICIALLY, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS DENIED YESTERDAY'S "NEW YORK
TIMES" STORY THAT THE TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM KNEW FLYNN WAS
UNDER INVESTIGATION AS EARLY AS JANUARY 4th.
BUT A SOURCE TELLS NBC NEWS PENCE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF
THIS, CITING A POTENTIAL PATTERN OF NOT INFORMING THE VICE
PRESIDENT AND CALLING THAT PATTERN, MALPRACTICE OR
INTENTIONAL. EITHER ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
WE WELCOME BACK TO THE BROADCAST, AND LET'S BRING IN
OUR PANEL, MSNBC ANCHOR AND CO-HOST AND EXACTLY 50% OF THE
NEW VERY WELL SHE AND RULE, WHICH WILL PREMIERE ON THIS
NETWORK SATURDAY AT 12:00 EASTERN.
ALI VELSHI AND MATTHEW NEWS BALM, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR
POLITICO WHOSE LATES PIECE GOT HER ATTENTION, QUOTE,
CONSERVATIVES BEGIN TO WHISPER "PRESIDENT PENCE".
MR. NEWS BALM, EXPLAIN THE HEADLINE, AND WHAT'S IN YOUR
PIECE? >> I THINK IT'S THE WORST KEPT
SECRET IN WASHINGTON THAT FOR MANY REPUBLICANS THEY WOULD
RATHER MIKE PENCE BE THE PRESIDENT THAN DONALD TRUMP.
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THAT ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE FAMOUSLY
CAME OUT DURING THE CAMPAIGN THAT ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE A
POSSIBILITY EVEN THOUGH IT'S FAR FLUNG.
HOWEVER, THESE PROBLEMS THAT PENCE IS HAVING THAT YOU JUST
BROUGHT UP, THIS WHAT DID HE KNOW, WHEN DID HE KNOW IT -- HE
HAS EITHER BEEN KEPT IN THE DARK OR BEEN DELIVERING MISLEADING
STATEMENTS. NEITHER ONE LOOKS GOOD FROM HIS
PERSPECTIVE MEANS THERE IS TROUBLE ON THE HORIZON FOR HIM.
STILL, COMPARED TO DONALD TRUMP, HE'S MANY REPUBLICANS' DREAM.
>> MATTHEW YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT QUOTE THAT MSNBC GOT FROM A
WEST WING FISH, AND THAT WAS IF HE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK THAT'S
JUST MALPRACTICE. THE ONLY THING WORSE IS IF HE
WASN'T AND LEARNED ALL OF THIS STUFF, BECAUSE THAT GOES ON HIS
PERMANENT RECORD, AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE A WHOLE LOT OF
ATTENTION IS ABOUT TO BE LAID ON MIKE PENCE.
>> EXACTLY. AND THIS NOTION THAT HE WAS JUST
REPEATEDLY KEPT IN THE DARK ON THESE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE
MATTERS AROUND THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IS KIND OF
ABSURD. I MEAN I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE IN
PENCE'S CIRCLE. THAT'S THE MESSAGE THEY ARE
PUSHING. LOOK, HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS STILL SAYING THAT TRUMP WASN'T INFORMED ABOUT
THIS FLYNN TURK IISH LOBBYING DEAL BUT HOW MANY TIMES CAN
PENCE GO OUT THERE AND MAKE STATEMENTS THAT TURN OUT LATER
NOT TO BE TRUE OR TO BE VERY DUBIOUS AND JUST GET A PASS ON
OH, WELL MAYBE HE WASN'T TOLD ABOUT IT?
SOMETHING IS NOT RINGING TRUE THERE.
>> ALI, TO A MORE ELEMENTAL QUESTION, WE ASKED THIS ON THE
BROADCAST LAST NIGHT AND PROBABLY THE NIGHT BEFORE, WHAT
IS IT ABOUT TRUMP AND FLYNN? WHAT IS IT?
>> WE ARE NOT EVEN TWO YEARS INTO THIS RELATIONSHIP WHICH IS
ODD. THEY MET IN SUMMER OF 2015.
WHAT MAY BE WORKING IN DONALD TRUMP'S FAVOR IS THAT WE ARE NOT
SURE HOW HE TREATS THOSE AROUND HIM.
HE USED SOME PEOPLE CONVENIENTLY, COMEY COMES TO
MIND, CHRIS CHRISTIE. >> RUDY GIULIANI.
>> GIULIANI, BUT HE IS VERY LOYAL TO MIKE FLYNN.
WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
ON ONE END YOU CAN SAY HE IS LOYAL TO SOMEBODY THAT'S GOOD.
ON THE OTHER HAND IF THIS IS TRUE HE WAS SENDING MESSAGES TO
MIKE FLYNN SAYING STAY STRONG, CONVINCING MIKE FLYNN TO TAKE
THIS JOB AND FLYNN WAS RELUCTANT TO DO SO.
THE WHOLE THING IS A LITTLE BIT ODD BUT DONALD TRUMP DOES WANT
TO KEEP A CIRCLE AROUND HIM WHO HE TRUSTS.
NOW THAT HE IS FINDING HE DOESN'T TRUST THOSE AROUND HIM
HE IS STARTING TO BRING IN PEOPLE FROM THE OLD CAMPAIGN
CIRCLE. WE ARE SEEING NAMES LIKE COREY
LEWANDOWSKI SHOWING UP AT THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN.
DONALD TRUMP IS WORK WORKING HARD TO SURROUND HIMSELF WITH
PEOPLE WHO HE THINKS ARE LOYAL TO HIM.
AND FLYNN WAS ONE OF THOSE GUYS. >> THAT STORY MENTIONED HIM AND
A COUPLE OTHERS WHO RE-ENTERED THE CIRCLE.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SECURITY BLANKET IN SOME WAYS BRINGING
BACK THE OLD CHARACTERS FROM EARLIER IN THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, MANY AROUND TRUMP, WILL SAY,Y, TO BRG
SOMEONE LIKE COREY LEWANDOWSKI WHO WAS SO MUCH TROUBLE DURING
THE CAMPAIGN BACK INTO THE PICTURE.
BUT WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THESE OLD
HANDS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO REPORTS HE STILL TALKS ON THE
PHONE WITH ROGER STONE. SO THERE ARE THESE CHARACTERS
WHO ARE A LITTLE UNSEEMLY WHO MAYBE AREN'T THE HEALTHIEST FOR
HIM TO BE STILL IN CONTACT WITH.