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>>> I HAVE BEEN ON THEIR COVER LIKE 14 OR 15 TIMES.
I THINK WE HAVE THE ALL-TIME RECORD IN THE HISTORY OF "TIME"
MAGAZINE. THE AUDIENCE WAS THE BIGGEST
EVER. THIS CROWD WAS MASSIVE.
LOOK HOW FAR BACK IT GOES. THIS CROWD WAS MASSIVE.
I GUESS IT WAS THE BIGGEST ELECTORAL COLLEGE WIN SINCE
RONALD REAGAN. OBAMACARE COVERS VERY FEW
PEOPLE. THE FAKE MEDIA GOES, DONALD
TRUMP HAS CHANGED HIS STANCE ON CHINA.
I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY STANCE. NOW, THE PARIS AGREEMENT, THEY
ALL SAY IT'S NONBINDING. LIKE HELL IT'S NONBINDING.
>> FROM THE TRIVIAL TO THE IMPORTANT, THOSE ARE JUST SOME
OF THE LIES THAT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" INCLUDED IN ITS MASSIVE
NEW LIST OF EVERY LIE DONALD TRUMP HAS TOLD IN THE FIRST 154
DAYS OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. THE LIST OF TRUMP LIES FILLED AN
ENTIRE PAGE OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES," YESTERDAY'S PRINT
EDITION OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES." IT INCLUDES ONLY WHAT THE TIMES
CALLS DEMONSTRABLY FALSE STATEMENTS.
THE TIMES REPORTS THAT DONALD TRUMP PUBLICLY TOLD A LIE ON 20
OF HIS FIRST 40 DAYS IN OFFICE WHEN THE TIMES USED WHAT IT
CALLED A BROADER STANDARD, ONE THAT INCLUDES HIS MANY
MISLEADING STATEMENTS, IT FOUND THAT HE SAID SOMETHING UNTRUE
EVERY DAY FOR THE FIRST 40 DAYS OF HIS PRESIDENCY AND ON 74 OUT
OF 113 DAYS AFTER THAT. AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TIMES
CALLED MISLEADING WAS THE PRESIDENT EXAGGERATING MILITARY
SPENDING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. JOINING US NOW, STUART THOMPSO,
WHO CO-WROTE THE PIECE ON TRUMP'S LIES.
HE IS THE GRAPHICS DIRECTOR FOR THE OPINION SECTION OF "THE NEW
YORK TIMES." STUART, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
BECAUSE JUST RIGHT ON ONE PIECE OF PAPER I CAN JUST CARRY
AROUND. SO THIS WE HAVE TO HOPE IS A
RECURRING FEATURE OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES" EVERY TWO, THREE
MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IT MIGHT BE.
>> PLEASE. YOU CAN RAISE MY SUBSCRIPTION
PERSONALLY TO COVER WHATEVER THIS COSTS, OKAY?
I WILL PERSONALLY KICK THAT IN. WHERE DID THE IDEA COME FROM TO
PUT IT ALL DOWN? >> WELL, A COLUMNIST IN "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" HAD WRITTEN ABOUT TIMES SEVERAL TIMES, AND HE HAD
INCLUDED IN ONE OF HIS COLUMNS WHERE HE LISTED A BUNCH OF LIES.
AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT AND THOUGHT MAYBE IF WE LOOKED
AT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF STATEMENTS THAT HE MADE, WE
COULD PUT TOGETHER A BIG LIST AND SORT OF GIVE A NICE VIEW OF
THE ENTIRE LIST OF LIES HE'S MADE SINCE HIS INAUGURATION.
>> THIS IS AN ESPECIALLY FASCINATING MOMENT FOR ME
BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SAYING TRUMP AND LIE IN THE SAME SENTENCE
SINCE, I GUESS, 2011 WHEN HE FIRST OPENED HIS MOUTH ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THE REST OF THE NEWS MEDIA WAS
VERY RELUCTANT TO DO THAT. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" DID NOT SAY
THE WORD "LIE WITH THE WORD "TRUMP" UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2016.
>> THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. >> SO BASICALLY IN THE CLOSING
SECTION OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
ARE THERE ANY REGRETS AT THE TIMES ABOUT THAT?
I UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLE THAT THE MAJOR NEWSPAPERS WENT
THROUGH ON THIS QUESTION, BUT I NOTICED AT THAT TIME, NEW YORK
TIMES, L.A. TIMES, EVERYBODY KIND OF BROKE OUT AT THE SAME
TIME. >> IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A BIT
OF A TUNNEL SHIFT IN THE COVERAGE AROUND THAT TIME.
I THINK WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PIECE IS THAT IT'S AN OPINION
PIECE, AND IT'S THE SUBJECTIVE VIEW OF DAVID AND I TO EVALUATE
THOSE CLAIMS. BUT WE HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, THE
NEWS SECTION CALL OCCASIONALLY SOMETHING A LIE.
BUT WE CAN USE A SORT OF BROADER STANDARD IN OPINION.
>> THIS ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN DONE DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
I MEAN AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE LAST MONTH,
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. >> YEAH, DEFINITELY.
WE ONLY PICKED IT UP SINCE THE INAUGURATION.
WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE SAYING YOU COULD EXTEND
THAT BACK, LIKE TO THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT.
>> WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE TO THIS?
IT WENT ONLINE. THIS APPEARS IN THE SUNDAY
OPINION SECTION, SO WHEN PRINT APPEARS YESTERDAY, BUT I THINK I
FIRST SAW IT ON FRIDAY. >> IT WENT UP ON FRIDAY
AFTERNOON AND VERY QUICKLY WAS -- I THINK IT WAS THE TOP
ARTICLE ALL WEEKEND, TOP OPINION PIECE.
YEAH, IT WAS A VERY POPULAR THING ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.
>> AND WHEN YOU AND DAVID STUDIED THIS, WERE THERE MOMENTS
WHERE YOU JUST STARTED TO BE -- YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT YOU KNEW
WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO. DID YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
YOU WERE DOING CHANGE BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO THE END OF IT?
>> YEAH, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAD OVER 400, YOU KNOW, FALSE STATEMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO
FACT-CHECK, AND WE HAD TO CULL THAT LIST DOWN.
THAT TOOK A LOT OF DEBATE TO REALLY DECIDE WHAT WE THOUGHT
QUALIFIED AS A LIE VERSUS JUST SOME KIND OF FALSEHOOD.
>> WHEN YOU CAME ACROSS SOMETHING WHERE YOU THOUGHT,
WELL, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT BELIEVE THIS, IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG.
THE EARTH IS FLAT, BUT HE MIGHT BELIEVE THE EARTH IS FLAT, WHAT
WOULD YOU DO WITH ONE OF THOSE? >> I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A
THEME OF HIS LYING. HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT
THE FACTS ARE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A TRADITIONAL
LIE YOU SORT OF WILLFULLY DECEIVE PEOPLE.
BUT HE'S PRETTY FLIMLIPPANT WIT THE TRUE.
>> STUART THOMPSON, IT'S A PUBLIC SERVICE.
TRUMP LIES. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IT GOING.
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO TO MY

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