WRITING A HEALTH CARE BILL THAT CAN BECOME A LAW.
BUT THEY APPARENTLY ARE SO FEARFUL OF WHAT THEY ARE WRITING
THAT THEY ARE KEEPING IT THE MOST SECRET HEALTH CARE
LEGISLATION EVER CONCEIVED ON CAPITOL HILL.
TOMORROW, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL PLANS TO FINALLY
REVEAL THE SUPER SECRET HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT HE HAS BEEN
WRITING TO A SMALL GROUP OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS, JUST A
SMALL GROUP OF REPUBLICAN MEN, SOME OF WHOM HAVE HAD SOME INPUT
INTO IT ALREADY. TONIGHT "THE WASHINGTON POST"
REPORTS THAT THE SENATE BILL WILL MIRROR THE HOUSE BILL WITH
SOME CHANGES. A DISCUSSION DRAFT CIRCULATING
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AMONG AIDES AND, OF COURSE, LOBBYISTS WOULD
ROLL BACK THE ACA'S TAXES, PHASE DOWN ITS MEDICAID EXPANSION,
REJIGGER ITS SUBSIDIES, GIVE STATES WIDER LATITUDE IN OPTING
OUT OF ITS REGULATIONS AND ELIMINATE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR
PLANNED PARENTHOOD. A NEW POLITICO MORNING POLL
FINDS THAT THE HOUSE VERSION IS ALREADY UNPOPULAR WITH ONLY 35%
OF VOTERS APPROVING OF IT. 49% DISAPPROVE.
AND 65% OF VOTERS SAY THEY WANT REPUBLICANS TO COMPROMISE WITH
DEMOCRATS AND COME TO A BIPARTISAN SOLUTION ON HEALTH
CARE REFORM. HERE'S WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD
TO SAY ABOUT THAT HEALTH CARE PLAN TONIGHT.
>> I'VE BEEN WATCHING. THEY'RE SAYING PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS NOT PRODUCED HEALTH CARE. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE MONTHS.
I THINK AND I HOPE -- CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING.
BUT I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO SURPRISE YOU WITH A REALLY GOOD
PLAN. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT A PLAN WITH HEART. I SAID, ADD SOME MONEY TO IT.
A PLAN WITH HEART. BUT OBAMACARE IS DEAD.
>> CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING, THAT LITTLE PHRASE THAT HE
SQUEEZED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SPEECH WAS A PHRASE YOU NEVER
HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL FROM CANDIDATE TRUMP.
OF COURSE OBAMACARE IS NOT DEAD. IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND UNTIL
THAT CHANGES AND THE REPUBLICANS, AS I SAID, ARE NOT
EVEN AT THE HALFWAY POINT OF GETTING A BILL THAT CAN BECOME A
LAW. THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TONIGHT,
IN EFFECT, THAT REPUBLICANS ARE SO BAD, SO BAD AT WRITING HEALTH
CARE LEGISLATION THAT EVEN THE TINIEST BIT OF INPUT FROM
DEMOCRATS, ANY DEMOCRAT, WOULD MAKE IT MUCH BETTER, WOULD MAKE
IT BEAUTIFUL. >> AND BY THE WAY, IF WE HAD
EVEN A LITTLE DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, JUST A LITTLE, LIKE A COUPLE OF
VOTES, YOU'D HAVE EVERYTHING. YOU COULD GIVE US A LOT OF VOTE
AND WE'D EVEN BE WILLING TO CHANGE IT AND MOVE IT AROUND AND
MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. IT'S GOING TO HAVE GOOD HEART,
BUT EVEN BETTER. BUT AGAIN, THEY JUST WANT TO
STOP. THEY JUST WANT TO OBSTRUCT.
A FEW VOTES FROM THE DEMOCRATS, IT COULD BE SO EASY AND SO
BEAUTIFUL. >> JOINING US NOW, JOY REID, THE
HOST OF A.M. JOY WEEKENDS ON MSNBC.
ALSO WITH US, TIM OH BRIE AUTHOR OF TRUMP NATION, THE ART OF
BEING THE DONALD. AND DAVID FRUM, SENIOR EDITOR
FOR THE ATLANTIC. JOY, IT COULD BE SO BEAUTIFUL IF
THEY ALL JUST MOVED THEIR HANDS LIKE HIM.
I DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL BILL.
>> DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE TO PULL OFF THIS MAGIC TRICK WITHOUT
EVER SPEAKING TO A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT
ONLY NOT LET THEIR OWN MEMBERS SEE THE BILL.
THEY CERTAINLY AREN'T LETTING DEMOCRATS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
DOING. THE 13 GUYS THAT ARE WRITING IT
BY THEMSELVES ARE THEN GOING TO SHOW IT TO A REPUBLICAN-ONLY
CAUCUS. DEMOCRATS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE
ROOM. THERE WILL BE NO HEARINGS.
THERE WILL BE NO DISCUSSION, NO AMENDMENTS FROM DEMOCRATS.
WHAT IS IT THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS THEM TO DO?
MAYBE HOLD UP BIG SIGNS OUTSIDE OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS
MEETINGS WITH THEIR IDEAS ON THEM?
IT'S RIDICULOUS. AND THEN THE SECOND POINT
OBVIOUSLY IS DEMOCRATS ARE NEVER GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN
SOMETHING CALLED REPEAL OBAMACARE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO EVER DO THAT, AND THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO DO IT. >> TIM, WE'RE GETTING REPORTS
FROM INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE ALREADY THAT THEY'RE ALTERABLY
DISAPPOINTED THAT HE DIDN'T STICK TO THE SCRIPT, THAT HE
DIDN'T GO WITH WHAT WAS ON THE TELEPROMPTER.
>> SURPRISE. >> AND INSTEAD WENT WITH
WHATEVER WENT THROUGH HIS MIND. YOU'VE STUDIED HIM BETTER THAN
ANY OF THE REST OF US, LONGER THAN THE REST OF US.
YOU'VE HAD HIM UNDER OATH IN A DEPOSITION WHERE HE FAILED IN
HIS LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU. WHEN HE'S UP THERE SAYING, AS WE
JUST HEARD HIM SAY, DEMOCRATS COULD MAKE THIS BETTER, WE DON'T
KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER, ONLY THEY DO, HE DOESN'T HEAR A WORD
HE'S SAYING, RIGHT? >> NO, NO.
HE'S RIFFING. HE'S LIKE A HIP-HOP ARTIST.
>> AND HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN THAT HE JUST
SAID, RIGHT? >> OR I THINK THE UNDERLYING
POLICY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> YEAH.
>> HE'S NOT A STUDENT OF POLICY. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HEALTH
CARE. HE DOES UNDERSTAND THE FIRST
BILL THAT THE REPUBLICANS TRIED TO PUSH THROUGH THE HOUSE.
AND I'M SURE HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT
HE CURRENTLY HAS. HE'S JUST TRYING TO GENERATE
THAT THING THAT HE DOES, WHICH IS UPROARIOUS CROWD PLEASERS.
>> LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT HOW THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN OBSTRUCTIONIST ON THIS HEALTH
CARE. >> THEY'RE OBSTRUCTIONIST.
WE WOULDN'T GET ONE DEMOCRAT. IF WE CAME TO YOU AND SAID,
HERE'S YOUR PLAN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE
GREATEST PLAN IN HISTORY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY NOTHING,
THEY'D VOTE AGAINST IT, FOLKS. EVERY SINGLE VOTE.
SO WE HAVE A VERY SLIM 52-48. THAT MEANS WE BASICALLY CAN'T
LOSE ANYBODY. >> DAVID FRUM, IT WON'T SURPRISE
YOU THAT THE PART ABOUT THE GREATEST PLAN IN HISTORY WHERE
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY NOTHING WAS NOT IN THE TELEPROMTELEPROMPTER.
THAT WAS THE PLAN DONALD TRUMP JUST WROTE AS HE WAS SPEAKING TO
HIS AUDIENCE. >> WE COULD HAVE THAT PLAN, BUT
WE'RE GIVING YOU SOMETHING ELSE. DANIEL DALE OF THE TORONTO STAR
HAD AN AMAZING REPORT FROM THAT SPEECH ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT TIM
AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, TRUMP RIFFING.
AT ONE POINT HE WENT ON THIS RIFF ABOUT ONE OF THE IDEAS HE'S
HAD IS THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SHOULD NOT GET ANY KIND OF
PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR FIRST FIVE YEARS.
HE SAID THIS WAS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT AND HE WAS
GOING TO GO TO WORK ON IT. I THINK ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE A
PRETTY BROADLY POPULAR IDEA. IT'S SO POPULAR, IT'S BEEN THE
LAW OF THE LAND SINCE THE MIDDLE 1990s.
NO ONE HAS EVER, I THINK, BEFORE SEEN A PRESIDENT GO ON A
PLATFORM AND PROMISE TO DO SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THE LAW
OF THE LAND FOR 22 YEARS. >> AND, JOY, IT TAKES A SPECIAL
KIND OF VOTER TO APPLAUD FOR THAT AND THINK, HEY, THAT'S A
GREAT IDEA. >> YEAH.
THE THING IS DONALD TRUMP, YOU KNOW, HE DOES UNDERSTAND
SOMETHING FUNDAMENTAL ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT
REPUBLICANS DIDN'T DN'T UNDERST WHICH IS THAT THE BASE OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTS BIG GOVERNMENT.
THEY JUST WANT BIG GOVERNMENT TO ONLY BE LIMITED TO THEM.
THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IMMIGRANTS TO BE CUT OFF FROM PROGRAMS.
THEY WANT MINORITIES WHO THEY THINK DON'T DESERVE THEM TO BE
CUT OFF. THEY THEMSELVES AREN'T JUST FOR
BIG GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE FOR HUGE GOVERNMENT.
WHEN HE SAYS TOO THEM SOMETHING TERRIFIC WHERE YOU WON'T HAVE TO
PAY, WHAT THEY HEAR DONALD TRUMP SAYING IS, I'M GOING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WHATEVER I CREATE TAKES CARE OF JUST YOU.
AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO CUT THE BAD PEOPLE OUT, THE PEOPLE YOU
DON'T LIKE ARE GOING TO GET NOTHING.
TO THEM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE CHRISTMAS EVERY DAY.
>> AND, TIM, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A STRONG INSIGHT INTO THIS.
HE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT ANY POOR PEOPLE IN HIS CABINET.
NOW, I THINK YOU COULD EXTEND THAT TO HIS LIFE, COULDN'T YOU?
>> YEAH. HE'S NEVER HAD MANY POOR PEOPLE
EVEN AT HIS FRONT DOOR. I THINK HE ACTUALLY SAID HE
THINKS THAT RICH PEOPLE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.
HE'S A RICH PERSON. HE HASN'T MADE GREAT DECISIONS,
BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO TURN THAT PRISM ON HIMSELF.
>> AND, DAVID, HERE'S A PRESIDENT WITH THIS STUNNINGLY
LOW APPROVAL RATING NOW, DOWN 35, 36, SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, WHO
GOES OUT THERE AND APPARENTLY BELIEVES THE ROOM.
HE BELIEVES THE FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN PUT IN A
ROOM, ALL SELF-SELECTED, TO APPLAUD FOR HIM.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE GEORGIA
SIXTH ELECTION, WHICH HAS LEFT DEMOCRATS VERY DOWN CAST AND
UNDERSTANDABLY WHY THEY WOULD BE, BUT IT HAS ALSO PUSHED THE
REPUBLICANS PAST THEIR LAST SAFE EXIT.
YOU KNOW, HAD THE REPUBLICANS LOST IN GEORGIA, I THINK THERE
MIGHT BE TODAY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MOOD OF CAUTION.
THAT WOULD BE BE PAINFUL TODAY WOULD SERVE THEM WELL IN THE
LONGER MEDIUM TERM. WHAT IS INSTEAD HAPPENING IS
DONALD TRUMP FEELS COMPLETELY EMBOLDENED TO DO WHATEVER HE
WANTS TO DO, AND THE PAUL RYAN REPUBLICANS AND THE MITCH
McCONNELL REPUBLICANS FEEL EMBOLDENED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT
TO DO. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GUN THIS
THING. AND THEY MIGHT WELL HAVE BEEN
ADVISED TO DO AS YOU SAY, TO LOOK AT THOSE POLL NUMBERS AND
SAY, SOONER OR LATER, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S IN
THIS BILL. AND THEY WILL PROBABLY FIND IT
OUT BEFORE NOVEMBER OF 2018 EVEN IF IT'S ALREADY THE LAW BY THEN.
>> BUT, JOY, COULD ANY REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBER WHO WON
THEIR SEAT BY LESS THAN, SAY, 15 POINTS, LESS THAN 20, CERTAINLY
LESS THAN 15 -- COULD ANY OF THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE TONIGHT
AFTER WHAT THEY SAW IN GEORGIA LAST NIGHT?
>> NO. I MEAN HERE'S THE REALITY.
THERE ARE TWO TRAINS THAT ARE BARRELING DOWN THE TRACKS AT THE
SAME TIME TOWARD EACH OTHER. ONE OF THEM IS THAT EVERY SINGLE
REPUBLICAN WHO IS IN WASHINGTON ELECTED TODAY HAS TO BE ABLE TO
GO HOME TO THEIR STATE OR THEIR DISTRICT AND SAY, I VOTED TO
DESTROY OBAMACARE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
GO HOME AND SAY, I DID NOT TAKE AWAY YOU AND YOUR MOM AND YOUR
GRANDMA'S HEALTH CARE. BUT WHAT PAUL RYAN FUNDAMENTALLY
WANTS TO DO IS TAKE GRANDMOTHER'S HEALTH CARE.
HE IS JUST AS DETERMINED TO TAKE GRANDMA'S HEALTH CARE TO GIVE A
GIANT TAX CUT TO THE RICH AS DONALD TRUMP IS.
THESE ARE TWO THINGS THAT FUNDAMENTAL WITH EACH OTHER.
ONCE THEY DO, 2018, I KNOW THEY FEEL GOOD RIGHT NOW ABOUT
GEORGIA SIXTH. BUT ALL THAT SAYS IS REPUBLICANS
VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS. THE PROBLEM IS THEY'VE GOT TO
SELL THIS BILL THE WAY DEMOCRATS HAD TO AFTER 2010, AND DEMOCRATS
EXPANDED HEALTH CARE AND STILL LOST.
>> YEAH. TIM, THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENS
TO THE PARTY WHO TOOK THE LAST ACTION ON HEALTH CARE, WHETHER
THEY SUCCEED OR FAIL. YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED UNDER
THE CLINTON BILL WHERE THE DEMOCRATS FAILED AND COULDN'T
EVEN GET IT TO A VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COULDN'T GET IT TO A VOTE IN THE SENATE.
THEY WERE STILL PENALIZED AND LOST BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE
SENATE IN THE NEXT ELECTION. >> AND I THINK THAT REALITY IS
GOING TO VISIT ITSELF UPON THE REPUBLICANS IN A WAY THAT I
DON'T THINK THEY'RE BRACED FOR. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE THOUGHT IT
THROUGH. THEY'RE NOW BRINGING US TO A
DOUBLE FEATURE. YOU KNOW, WE SAW THIS FIRST IN
THE HOUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET
A REPEAT IN THE SENATE. IT'S A DOUBLE FEATURE IN A
COMPLETELY DARK THEATER. NO ONE CAN SEE THE SCREEN.
I DON'T THINK THE RESULT IS GOING TO BE FAVORABLE FOR THEM.
>> DAVID, CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T REALIZE THAT
IF THE SENATE DOES PASS A BILL, THAT THEY ARE AT THAT POINT JUST
ABOUT HALFWAY THERE BECAUSE THEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE EACH
HAVE TO PASS A BILL AGAIN THAT IS IN IDENTICAL FORM, AND MANY A
BILL DIES AFTER IT HAS PASSED BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE
WHEN THEY'RE AT THAT HALFWAY POINT.
>> WELL, THE HOUSE HAS THE OPTION OF SIMPLY PASSING THE
SENATE BILL WHOLE, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE
ACT IN 2010. THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT PAUL RYAN
MAY NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AGAIN BECAUSE THE CLOCK
IS GETTING VERY UNFORGIVING. WE HAVE A RECESS OF CONGRESS ON
THE 31st OF JULY. I SUPPOSE THAT COULD BE CHANGED,
BUT THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT. THE GOVERNMENT IS EMPTY, SO
THERE'S A LOT OF HEARINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE SENATE.
AND IF ACTIONS BEGIN ON THE BIG TAX CUT THAT IS THE REAL DESIRE
OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS, AGAIN, THE CLOCK GETS VERY, VERY HARD.
IF YOU NOW SEND THIS THING TO SOME KIND OF CONFERENCE FOR A
LOT OF TALK, YOU COULD MISS THE MOMENT.
AND THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THOSE MOMENTS LEFT.
>> JOY, THE PRESIDENT MADE ONLY A PASSING REFERENCE TO THE WITCH
HUNT IN WASHINGTON WITHOUT GETTING TOO SPECIFIC ABOUT IT.
SO IN FRONT OF THAT CROWD TONIGHT, EVEN WHEN HE'S
UNLEASHED, HE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING TO STAY ABOUT THE
INVESTIGATION SPECIFICALLY. >> HE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE
THE CHIEF WARLOCK, ROBERT MUELLER, HAS HIS NUMBER.
DONALD TRUMP CREATED THE SITUATION HE'S IN NOW BECAUSE
EVEN IF THERE COULD BE NO EVIDENCE FOUND OF COLLUSION WITH
RUSSIA, FIRING JIM COMEY COOKED -- BAKED THIS IN.
THIS IS GOING TO BE DONALD TRUMP'S REALITY FOR THE
FORESEEABLE FUTURE. ROBERT MUELLER IS A FORMIDABLE
OPPONENT, BUT SO IS JIM COMEY. FIRING HIM WAS A HUGE MISTAKE,
AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
>> TIM, WILL HE LIVE WITH IT? WILL HE NOT FIRE -- TRY TO FIRE
THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR? WILL HE LIVE WITH WHAT HE NOW
HAS? >> WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD
BEFORE, YOU AND I, TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T THINK HE'D HESITATE FOR A SECOND TO FIRE MUELLER IF HE
FEELS THREATENED. I THINK ONE OF THE ANIMATING
FORCES OF HIS FEAR AND CONCERN AROUND THIS HASN'T BEEN THE
COLLUSION ISSUE, WHETHER OR NOT IT OCCURRED.
I THINK HE THINKS HE COULD PROBABLY END RUN THE OBSTRUCTION
OF JUSTICE. I THINK WHAT HE'S REALLY
CONCERNED ABOUT IS PEOPLE ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE MONEY TRAIL,
AND THIS COMES RIGHT INTO HIS WALLET.
AND THIS IS A MAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE A -- YOU KNOW, A CLOSET
FULL OF SKELETONS. HE HAS A GIGANTIC WAREHOUSE FULL
OF THEM. I THINK THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN SO
AGGRESSIVE IN TRYING TO TAKE THIS ON OR EVEN DERAIL IT.
>> DAVID FRUM, THERE'S SO MUCH TALK ABOUT WHY WOULDN'T THE
PRESIDENT COME OUT AND SAY SOMETHING FORCEFUL ABOUT THE
RUSSIANS INTERFERING IN THE ELECTION.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THE MORE YOU LISTEN TO AND OBSERVE THE
PRESIDENT THAT HE DOESN'T HOPE THAT THE RUSSIANS DO EXACTLY THE
SAME THING IN HIS NEXT ELECTION. IT WORKED FOR HIM THE LAST TIME.
>> I WONDER WHETHER IT'S NOT MORE PSYCHOLOGICAL THAN
STRATEGIC IN THE WAY THAT YOU DESCRIBE.
FOR HIM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD BE TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME
KIND OF BLEMISH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO QUESTION
WHETHER YOU THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE CORRECT PRESIDENT,
WHETHER YOU THINK THERE'S SOME TAINT ON HIS LEGITIMACY, THERE'S
NO QUESTION HE'S THE LAWFUL PRESIDENT.
HE HAS THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENCY, AND THAT'S PRETTY
AMAZING AND WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR MOST PEOPLE.
BUT FOR HIM TO ACCEPT SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND THERE'S SOME
QUESTION MARK, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HE CAN PSYCHOLOGICALLY
COPE WITH. HE HAS TO DENY IT.
MAYBE HE HAS THE KIND OF PRAGMATIC MOTIVE THAT YOU
DESCRIBE, BUT TIM KNOWS HIM WELL.
MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT NEED TO SAY, IF IT'S MINE, IT MUST BE
PERFECT. IT MUST BE HUGE.
IT MUST BE THE BEST AND BIGGEST EVER.
>> TIM, QUICKLY BEFORE WE GO, IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY THAT HE
WON WITH THE HELP OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE, WHY WOULDN'T HE
WANT THAT INTERFERENCE THE NEXT TIME AROUND?
>> I DON'T THINK HE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT'S WHY HE WON.
>> RIGHT. >> SO I THINK