PULITZER PRIZE WINNING OPINION RIGHTER.
AND EUGENE, NEWS LIKE THIS TONIGHT, THE PRESIDENT YELLING
AT TELEVISIONS IN THE WEST WING OF THE WHITE HOUSE, JUST WHEN WE
THINK WE HAVE A REASONABLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON
INSIDE THAT BUILDING, WE GET THESE NEW DETAILS THAT
FREQUENTLY HEARKEN BACK TO WHAT WERE NIXON'S FINAL DAYS IN THE
WHITE HOUSE WHERE APPARENTLY HE WAS RAILING AT THE PORTRAITS IN
THE WHITE HOUSE. >> YEAH.
IT'S AWFULLY EARLY TO BE GETTING TO THE FINAL DAYS SORT OF STAGE
OF THE PRESIDENT'S STATE OF MIND.
BUT WE SEEM TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR A WHILE, LAWRENCE, FROM HIS TWEETS AND
FROM WHAT WE HEAR FROM HIS INCREDIBLY LEAKY INNER CIRCLE,
THE PRESIDENT IS -- I THINK THE TECHNICAL TERM IS TOTALLY
FREAKED OUT BY THIS INVESTIGATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES EVERYONE WONDER EXACTLY WHY.
WHICH ELEMENT OF THIS INVESTIGATION IS HE SO EXERCISE
ABOUT. IS IT THE QUESTION OF COLLUSION?
IS IT PERHAPS THE QUESTION OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, OR IS IT
THE FINANCIAL ASPECT, THE INVESTIGATION OF POTENTIAL
FINANCIAL SHENANIGANS ORDEALS, WHO KNOWS, WITH RUSSIANS.
THAT MEANS MAYBE WE WOULD -- MAYBE THE -- MUELLER WILL HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE BOOKS OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
AND THE KUSHNER COMPANIES AND SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE IS SO
WORRIED ABOUT. IT'S KIND OF UNCLEAR.
BUT WE'RE THERE. FINAL DAYS.
>> AND DAVID -- >> SPIRITUAL.
>> ONE WAY WE GOT HERE IS THE PRESIDENT TOOK THE ADVICE OF THE
PERSON WHOSE CONSIDERED JUST THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE TRUMP
FAMILY, JARED KUSHNER. HE TOOK HIS ADVICE, THIS
COMPLETELY INEXPERIENCED CHILD IN WHITE HOUSE TERMS WHO IS
ADVISING A PRESIDENT THAT HE SHOULD FIRE AN FBI DIRECTOR.
HE ACTUALLY TOOK THAT ADVICE. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIRE
ANYONE NOW, AS A RESULT OF ALL THE PROBLEMS YOU'VE HAD BECAUSE
YOU FIRED THE FBI DIRECTOR, WHY WOULDN'T YOU START WITH JARED
KUSHNER? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK JARED
KUSHNER WAS -- I'M NOT SURE HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA.
I'M NOT SURE HE HAD TO COME UP WITH THE IDEA.
DURING THE CAMPAIGN, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT LOTS OF VIDEOS OF
DONALD TRUMP GIVING THESE SUCCESS SEMINAR LECTURES WHEN
PEOPLE WOULD PAY $100 TO COME AND SEE HIM AND LEARN HOW TO
MAKE BILLIONSLIONS WHETHER HE M BILLIONS OR NOT.
AND HE SAID THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
IT WAS KIND OF HOW HE STARTED THE TALK.
HE SAID I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING THEY DON'T TEACH YOU AT WHARTON
OR HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL. AND THIS IS MY NUMBER ONE RULE.
IF SOMEONE SCREWS YOU, YOU SCREW THEM BACK.
BUT YOU DON'T JUST SCREW THEM BACK, YOU SCREW THEM BACK FIVE
TIMES WORSE 10 TIMES WORSE, 15 TIMES WORSE.
SO HE HAS ALWAYS LASHED OUT. AS A GUY WHO RUNS HIS OWN
BUSINESS, A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, HE CAN DO THAT AND GET
AWAY WIT. HE HAS BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH
STUFF ALL THE TIME. I THINK HIS BIG CONCEPTUAL
FAILURE SINCE BECOMING PRESIDENT, THAT HE DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THAT HE DOES NOT OWN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
HE IS THE CARETAKER. SO HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING HE WANTS
WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT THE WAY HE COULD WITH HIS OWN BUSINESS.
SO I DO THINK HE MAY BE THINKING ABOUT FIRING ROSENSTEIN, THE WAY
HE SAID I DON'T LIKE COMEY, I WANT TO GET RID OF HIM.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES,
EVEN IN A DONALD TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
>> DAVID, WHERE WOULD WE BE TONIGHT IF DONALD TRUMP HAD
SIMPLY STOPPED LASHING OUT. LET'S SAY HE STOPPED LASHING OUT
ON ELECTION DAY AND JUST FOLLOWED EVERYBODY'S ADVICE.
I'M NOT TWEETING ANYMORE. THAT'S NOT PRESIDENTIAL.
AND WE HAD HAD NONE OF THE LASHING OUT TWEETS AT ALL.
BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE PUBLIC LASHING OUT HAS BEEN
THROUGH TWITTER. IMAGINE IF THERE WAS NONE OF
THAT. WOULD WE HAVE A SPECIAL
PROSECUTOR TONIGHT? >> WELL, IF HE HAD FIRED JAMES
COMEY THE WAY HE DID, WE MAY STILL HAVE THAT.
THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THE COVER-UP IS WORSE
THAN THE CRIME THAT CAME OUT OF WATERGATE.
A REFERENCE TO THE DOCUMENTARY
YOU SAW EARLIER. BUT SOMETIMES THE CRIME IS
ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN THE COVER-UP.
WE DON'T KNOW STILL WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND
WHETHER DONALD TRUMP AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EGGING ON OR
ENCOURAGING THE RUSSIANS. THEY AT LEAST DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING TO STOP THEM. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COLLUSION.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AIDING AND ABETTING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE CLEARLY CANNOT ACKNOWLEDGE.
HE CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE RUSSIANS DID THIS.
THE POISONED FRUIT, THE ORIGINAL SIN OF DONALD TRUMP IS NOT BEING
ABLE TO CRITICIZE THE THE RUSSI COVERT OPERATION AGAINST
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. AND EVERYTHING KIND OF FOLLOWS
FROM THAT. >> GENE, QUICKLY BEFORE WE GO TO
THE COMMERCIAL, IF WE WERE TO JUST ELIMINATE ALL OF DONALD
TRUMP'S TWEETS FROM ELECTION NIGHT TO NOW, WOULD WE, WOULD WE
HAVE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, DO YOU THINK?
WOULD WE HAVE A HEALTH CARE BILL THAT HAD PASSED ALREADY?
>> WELL, I THINK WE MAY WELL HAVE A HEALTH CARE BILL.
I THINK WE -- I AGREE WITH DAVID.
WELL PROBABLY HAVE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IF HE SUDDENLY FIRED
COMEY WITHOUT TWEETING. WE WOULD HAVE A TRAVEL BAN
PROBABLY. BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHEN THE FULL
COURT HEARINGS OF THE TRAVEL BAN WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE TWEETS TO
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. AND WE MIGHT HAVE A MORE --
WELL, MAYBE A MORE ORDERLY ADMINISTRATION.
MAYBE THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING. BUT THE TWEETS, NOT ONLY UPSET
THE COUNTRY, THEY ALSO UPSET THE STAFF OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND THEY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO COMMUNICATE ANY IDEA OR EVEN ANY
NEWS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT CAN JUST
SAY THE OPPOSITE. >> WELL, ALL OF THAT STAFF KNEW
EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE SIGNI