COMES UP QUITE A BIT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYONE EVER
REALLY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND NOW, MORE THAN EVER, IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR PUBLIC FIGURES TO SHARE THEIR ISSUES WITH MENTAL
HEALTH, AND ALSO KIND OF NORMALIZE THE IDEA OF GOING
TO SEE A THERAPIST.
WELL, WHETHER YOU LIKE HER OR NOT, WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS
TALENTED OR NOT, KATY PERRY HAS DONE SOMETHING THAT I THINK
IS PRETTY COURAGEOUS; SHE HAS DONE A LIVE STREAM OF
REGULAR, EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SHE
DECIDED TO LIVE STREAM A SESSION THAT SHE HAD WITH HER THERAPIST.
SO, TO BE THE HONEST, AND FULL DISCLOSURE WITH THE AUDIENCE,
WHEN I HAD FIRST SEEN HEADLINES ABOUT HER LIVE STREAMING
EVERYTHING SHE WAS DOING, I THOUGHT IT WAS A PUBLICITY
STUNT AND THERE WAS NO VALUE TO IT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT
STREAMING HER THERAPY SESSION, AND KIND OF OPENING UP
ABOUT SOME OF THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED,
WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I WANTED TO KIND OF, NOT ONLY
APPLAUD HER, BUT ALSO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER STORY.
SO, SHE ACTUALLY GREW UP IN AN EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE
HOUSEHOLD; A HOUSEHOLD OF BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIANS, AND WHEN
SHE GREW UP, SHE DECIDED TO MOVE TO TENNESSEE TO PURSUE HER
MUSIC CAREER, AND KIND OF BREAK OUT OF THAT VERY STRICT
HOUSEHOLD THAT SHE GREW UP IN.
AND SO, OF COURSE, AS YOU GUYS KNOW SHE BECAME A BIG STAR, AND
THERE WAS A HUGE UPSIDE AND A HUGE DOWNSIDE TO THAT, AND I
THINK THAT IT REALLY HAD SOME NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON HER, THAT
SHE'S ADDRESSING NOW, AND SHE'S TRYING TO BETTER.
SO, THE HOUR-LONG DISCUSSION THAT SHE WAS WITH THE HOST OF
THE THERAPIST, A REALITY SHOW ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, FOCUSED ON
PERRY'S SELF IMAGE.
THE SINGERS GOT HOW SHE FELT CAUGHT BETWEEN TWO
PERSONAS: THE POP SUPERSTAR KNOWN AS KATY PERRY, AND A
PERSON EMBODIED BY HER GIVEN NAME, KATHERYNE HUDSON,
KNOWN TO HER CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
DURING THE DISCUSSION, SHE TOLD HER THERAPIST THAT SHE BATTLED
ALCOHOLISM, AND THAT STRUGGLE LED TO SUICIDAL THOUGHTS AND
INSPIRED HER SONG BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
AND IT ALSO LED TO SELF-HARM.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE, ON THE ONE
HAND SHE COMES OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS KATY PERRY, THIS STRONG
WOMAN, THIS OPINIONATED WOMAN, THE SUPERSTAR, BUT
BEHIND-THE-SCENES SHE IS BATTLING DEMONS AND THOUGHTS OF
SUICIDE, AND SHE FEELS ASHAMED THAT SHE FEELS THAT WAY, BECAUSE
PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND OR EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS.
BEN IS DRAWING FACES ON HIS COMPUTER RIGHT NOW.
I WAS WRITING KATE HUDSON, BECAUSE HER NAME IS KATE HUDSON.
YOU'RE BOTH WRONG.
GO AHEAD I'M PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS STORY.
ANYWAY, SHE SAYS DURING HER THERAPY SESSION, "I FEEL ASHAMED
THAT I WOULD HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS - " THE THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE,
" THAT I WOULD FEEL THAT LOW, AND THAT DEPRESSED" AND
ALSO THAT SHE'S BEEN GOING TO THERAPY FOR FIVE YEARS.
THIS STORY IS NOT JUST ABOUT KATY PERRY, IT'S ABOUT THE FACT
THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC FIGURE WHO IS COMING OUT, AND SHARING
ONE OF THE MOST PERSONAL THINGS THAT SHE'S EVER GONE THROUGH,
BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE RELATE TO, BUT FEEL SCARED
TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I FEEL GRATEFUL THAT SHE'S
TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN RELATE
TO IT SOMETIMES.
ANYWAY, YOU GUYS TALK BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M RAMBLING.
I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS.
I FOUND IT STRANGE, THAT YOUR MENTAL HEALTH SESSION IS BEING,
YOU KNOW, HOSTED BY A REALITY SHOW THERAPIST.
I FOUND HIM REALLY STRANGE, I WATCHED THE SESSION.
AND IT JUST CALLS INTO QUESTION ñ
I UNDERSTAND HER STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE ñ BETWEEN THE PUBLIC
PERSONA AND THE PRIVATE PERSON ñ BUT WHERE IS THE PRIVATE
PERSONA COME INTO PLAY IF EVEN YOUR PRIVATE MOMENTS ARE PUBLIC?
IT ALMOST FEELS AS IF YOU ARE INVITING FOLKS INTO YOUR
STRUGGLE, RIGHT?
SO, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU ARE INVESTED IN SELF-CARE, AND
I CAN'T TELL ANYONE HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, BUT IT
SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS MIGHT BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, AND THERE
WERE MOMENTS IN THE SESSION WHERE SHE WOULD SAY SOMETHING,
AND THEN GO BACK AND GO, BUT I DON'T MEAN THIS, BECAUSE
SHE'S AWARE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, AND THEY MIGHT TAKE STEPPING
OUT OF CONTEXT, AND THAT TO ME JUST SEEMS PROBLEMATIC.
COULD BE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC.
THOSE ARE REALLY INTERESTING POINTS, GOOD POINTS THAT I
HADN'T THOUGHT OF, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR
ISSUES, LIKE THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE AND DEPRESSION, AND OBVIOUSLY
PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN KATY PERRY'S LIFE, SHE'S TALENTED,
THEY ARE JUSTIFIABLY INTERESTED, NOT KNOCKING HER CELEBRITY IN
ANY WAY, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING THE SESSION, THAT'S STRANGE, AND
FEELS LIKE SOMETHING ñ I DIDN'T WATCH IT ñ BUT FEELS LIKE
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE JUST NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IN
THIS INCREDIBLE HE OPEN SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE NOW, WHERE
EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME, AND KATY PERRY WILL,
LEGITIMATELY SAY ñ HE DIDN'T HAVE KIDS, RIGHT?
BUT SHE WILL LEGITIMATELY SAY, WHAT ARE YOU PHOTOGRAPHING
ME WHILE I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH MY KIDS?
YOU WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, YOU LITERALLY LET US SEE YOUR
THERAPY SESSION.
IT IS A VERY PRIVATE THING.
THAT SAID, MY INITIAL INSTINCT WAS NOT THAT, IT WAS CLOSER TO
ANA'S, WHICH IS ñ AND OF COURSE, ALWAYS, I WILL BRING IT BACK TO
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN ñ BUT HE WROTE THIS UNBELIEVABLE BUYER GOT ñ
THIS UNBELIEVABLE AUTOBIOGRAPHY LAST YEAR, AND PEOPLE LIKE
ME WHO THOUGHT THEY KNEW A LOT ABOUT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN,
THIS GUY WAS DEPRESSED FOR HIS WHOLE LIFE, AND WRITES
ABOUT IT IN THIS BEAUTIFUL, ELOQUENT WAY.
HE GOT THROUGH IT, AND HIS FATHER WAS NOT JUST THE
PRESS BUT HAD SERIOUS CHEMICAL ISSUES AND NEED TO BE
INSTITUTIONALIZED, AND THEN FINALLY THERE WAS SOME
DEGREE OF A RELATIONSHIP TOWARDS THE END, BUT AS A KID HE
JUST GREW UP THINKING, MY DAD FLIES OFF THE HANDLE ALL
THE TIME, WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
AND IT TURNS OUT HIS DAD WAS SICK.
AND HE WRITES ABOUT IT BEAUTIFULLY, AND IT HELPS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT, WHEN SOMEONE FAMOUS, WHO YOU RESPECT
ñ THEY ARE NOT KARDASHIAN FAMOUS ñ THEY ARE FAMOUS BECAUSE
THEY EARNED FAME IN THE HARDEST WAY POSSIBLE, THAT THEY OPEN UP
ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE RELATABLE TO REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE US.
THAT IS VALUABLE.
SO, I THINK THERE'S HUGE VALUE, AND FOR KATY PERRY, WHO HAS ALL
THESE AND HONESTLY YOUNG FANS, AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT
YOUNG GIRLS WHO, YOU KNOW, AS I'M HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE
MODERATELY PREPARED FOR HAVING AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD, A
12-YEAR-OLD, A 16-YEAR-OLD, AS MY DAUGHTER GROWS UP AND GOES
THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK ARE
HARDER FOR GIRLS TO DO, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
JUDGMENT ON WHAT THEY FEEL, WHEREAS WITH GUYS, IT'S
COOL MAN, IT'S COOL.
OR THE DAYS WHERE, I CAN'T BELIEVE MY FRIEND JUST TOOK
MY PICTURE.
I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN MY LIFE, AND WOULD THINK.
NOW I'M RAMBLING, BUT THERE'S VALUE WITH KATY PERRY DOING
THIS.
I THINK IT'S CURIOUS THAT WE GOT TO SEE HER THERAPY SESSION,
RATHER THAN HER WRITING ABOUT IT, WHICH WOULD ALSO GET A
LOT OF ATTENTION.
I THINK WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO ñ AND, BY THE WAY, THE NEW YORK
TIMES WROTE A GREAT PIECE ON THIS, AND THEY DID A REALLY GOOD
INTERVIEW WITH HER, AND I THINK WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH
WITH THIS THERAPY SESSION IS TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO SHE REALLY IS.
LIKE, HER AUTHENTIC SELF.
ONE THING SHE SAID THAT RELEASED ABOUT TO ME AN INTERVIEW
WAS, EVERY PART OF KATY PERRY IS FAKE.
SHE STRAIGHT UP SAID THAT.
THE AWARDS I'VE WON, FAKE.
THE PERSONA I'VE CREATED, FAKE.
I WANT TO BE ME, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO I REALLY AM, AND
THIS STATEMENT REALLY HIT HOME FOR ME; SHE SAID THAT THERE IS
THIS STRANGE RACE TO BE THE MOST WOKE.
THEY WANT YOU STAND FOR SOMETHING, AND ONCE YOU DO,
IF YOU DON'T DO IT PERFECTLY, THEY ARE READY TO TAKE YOU DOWN.
SO, SHE'S CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH THE CRITICISM OF NOT
BEING PERFECT.
SHE'S DEALING WITH A CRITICISM OF HOW SHE CUTS HER HAIR,
THINGS ARE SONGS, WHAT SHE WEARS, AND IT ñ
I THINK PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW
TERRIBLE IT REALLY IS TO BE A PUBLIC FIGURE.
HOW TERRIBLE IT CAN BE AT TIMES.
IT CAN BE.
IT'S MOSTLY TERRIBLE, IT IS.
YOU THINK IT IS?
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE, AND I'M NOT
SAYING THAT BECAUSE ñ
LOOK, I CHOSE TO DO WHAT I'M DOING, BECAUSE I LOVE THE NEWS
AND I LOVE SPEAKING MY MIND, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE IS THIS ADDED
DOWNSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS ON YOU, AND, YOU KNOW,
JUST ASSUMING THAT THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND ASSUMING THAT
THEY KNOW YOUR INTENTIONS, AND CONSTANTLY PICKING YOU APART.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE WORST THING.
SO, I APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.