WHO, THROUGH TEXT MESSAGING, ENCOURAGED HER BOYFRIEND OF
TWO YEARS TO COMMIT SUICIDE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE 18-YEAR-OLD
MAN DID COMMIT SUICIDE AND AS A RESULT, MICHELLE CARTER,
THE GIRLFRIEND WHO WAS ENCOURAGING HIM AND ALSO
INSTRUCTING HIM ON HOW TO COMMIT SUICIDE HAD TO STAND TRIAL.
THE CASE IS NOVEL AND THE OUTCOME IS ALSO UNPRECEDENTED.
SHE HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.
SHE FACES 10
YEARS IN PRISON AND WILL BE SENTENCED SOMETIME IN AUGUST.
TO GIVE YOU SOME DETAILS ON THE STORY AND HOW IT ALL CAME
ABOUT, CONRAD ROY WAS FOUND DEAD IN THE CAB OF HIS PICKUP
TRUCK IN THE PARKING LOT OF A KMART ON JULY 13, 2014
WITH A TUBE FROM A GENERATOR PUMPING IN CARBON MONOXIDE.
UP TO THE MOMENT HE PASSED OUT FROM THE TOXIC FUMES,
17-YEAR-OLD
CARTER WAS ON THE TELEPHONE WITH HIM, SHE LATER INFORMED FRIENDS.
WHEN HE HAD DOUBTS AND CLIMBED OUT OF THE TRUCK, SHE
ORDERED HIM BACK IN.
I HAVE MORE DETAILS.
LET ME GIVE YOU A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF HOW SHE ENCOURAGED
HIM AND THEN I WANT YOU TO JUMP IN.
SHE COULD HEAR
HIM COUGHING AND SHE CAN HEAR THE LOUD NOISE OF THE MOTOR, IT
CONSTITUTED WONTON AND RECKLESS CONDUCT BY MS.
CARTER, CREATING A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A HIGH DEGREE
OF LIKELIHOOD THAT SUBSTANTIAL HARM WOULD RESULT OF MR.
ROY.
THAT IS ACCORDING TO LAWRENCE MONIZ WHO WAS THE JUDGE IN
THIS CASE AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAS NOT A JURY TRIAL.
THE DEFENSE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE MORE FAIR IF THE
JUDGE MADE THE RULING ON HIS OWN AND IN THIS CASE, FOR SHE
GETS CONVICTED.
WE'LL SEE HOW LONGER SENTENCE WILL BE.
THE JUDGE ALSO SAYS, WHERE ONE'S ACTION CREATES A
LIFE-THREATENING REST TO ANOTHER THERE IS A DUTY TO TAKE
REASONABLE STEPS TO ALLEVIATE THE RISK.
ALSO IN HER TEXTS LEADING TO HIS DEATH, CARTER BELITTLED HER
BOYFRIEND FOR FAILING TO MAKE GOOD ON PREVIOUS THREATS TO
COMMIT SUICIDE AND MADE HIM PROMISE THAT HE WOULD
FOLLOW THROUGH.
SHE SENT HIM RESEARCH ON DIFFERENT METHODS,
INCLUDING HANGING AND JUMPING OFF A HIGH BUILDING, AND
FINALLY SETTLED ON CARBON AND OXIDE POISONING.
CARTER ADVISED ROY TO DO IT AWAY FROM HOME SO THAT NOBODY
COULD INTERRUPT AND STOP HIS DEATH.
SHE SOUNDS GREAT.
SOUNDS LIKE A CATCH.
MY INITIAL REACTION TO THIS WAS THAT THIS IS CRAZY.
HE DID IT, IT IS SUICIDE.
THERE IS NO MANSLAUGHTER
INVOLVED IN THE SUICIDE.
I STILL MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS TOUGH, BUT
THAT SAID, HER BEHAVIOR IS SORT OF INHUMAN THOUGH I SUSPECT
IN HER HEAD, SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS HELPING.
MAYBE.
BEST CASE SCENARIO.
SO SHE ALSO SUFFERED FROM PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES.
SHE HAD AN EATING DISORDER AND SHE ALSO SUFFERED FROM
PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES WHICH I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT ON BECAUSE
I AM NOT A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AND I DON'T KNOW
THE DETAILS, BUT IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
START OFF WITH HER ENCOURAGING HIM TO COMMIT SUICIDE ON THE
BEGINNING, SHE SEEMED TO DISCOURAGE THEM AND THEN LATER
ON SHE ENCOURAGED HIM BUT DID SO VERY AGGRESSIVELY, TAUNTING
OR MOCKING HIM FOR NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH, FOR FAILING TO DO SO.
HE HAD ATTEMPTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE A COUPLE OF TIMES
PREVIOUSLY.
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING SHE MESSAGED HIM: YOU
CAN'T BREAK A PROMISE AND JUST GO IN A QUIET PARKING LOT
SOMETHING THAT ONE ROY WROTE THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO HURT
HIS PARENTS, CARTER REASSURED HIM: I THINK HER PARENTS
KNOW YOU'RE IN A REALLY BAD PLACE.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY WANT YOU TO DO IT, BUT I HONESTLY FEEL
LIKE THEY CAN ACCEPT IT.
IF YOU ARE INCREDIBLY DEPRESSED AND YOU HEAR SOMEONE THAT YOU
ARE WITH SAY I THINK YOUR PARENTS WILL GET OVER IT OR
ACCEPT IT, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW RIGHT THE WHAT THE RIGHT COMMENTARY IS ON THE
STORY.
ITíS DIFFICULT.
IT'S VERY HARD TO DECIPHER BETWEEN THIS BEING A SEVERE
CASE OF MENTAL ILLNESS OR THE MEAN GIRL ILLNESS BECAUSE WE
DO HAVE ISSUES WITH MEAN GIRLS AND WE SEE IT MORE AND MORE.
THEY TEND TO LOOK ALIKE IN THE MEDIA.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE HAVE TO STOP IGNORING MENTAL
ILLNESSES.
WE HAVE TO STOP THINKING THAT WE CAN JUST FIX IT AT HOME,
THAT WE CAN TALK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MENTAL ILLNESSES.
SOME PEOPLE REALLY NEED MEDICATION FOR BECAUSE FROM
WHAT I READ THEY WERE GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE TOGETHER
LIKE A ROMEO AND JULIET TYPING IN THAT SHE BACKED OUT OF
IT AND THEN SHE ENCOURAGED HIM.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP HEARING STORIES OF SITUATIONS
THAT SOUND COMPLETELY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU ARE NORMAL.
I AM NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR HER, I DO FEEL SOME KIND OF WAY ABOUT
YOU BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN SUICIDE.
IF YOU WALK AROUND IT OTHER PEOPLE TELL YOU, ARE YOU
GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY AND IF
THAT IS THE CASE, OR BE GOING TO GO AROUND PROSECUTING
EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE SAYS THEY COULD LEAD SOME WHO IS
MENTALLY ELSE THERE IS SUICIDE.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO WITH THE REALITY OF MENTAL ILLNESS.
SHE SOUNDS LIKE NO MATTER WHAT IS WRONG WITH HER, SHE
NEEDS TO PUT A BE PUT AWAY SOMEWHERE BECAUSE SHE JUST
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE SHE IS NORMAL.
OR SHE IS JUST BAD EVIL AND THAT IS NOT GOOD EITHER.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S STRANGE THAT SHE DIDN'T TESTIFY.
I THINK THAT IS A MISTAKE.
I GET THE MIGHT NOT WANT TO TEST FOR THE JURY BUT ONCE YOU
HAVE GIVEN UP THE JURY TRIAL, YOU GOT A JUDGE AND THEY
KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET YOUR TESTIMONY THAT I WOULD'VE
MADE MY CASE OF WHAT THEY ENDED UP HAVING THE CELEBRITIES
SITE COLLEGES WHO TESTIFIED ON HER BEHALF, BUT SHE IS NOT
THINKING SHE IS DOING SOMETHING CRIMINAL.
SHE FOUND A WAY TO HELP HER BOYFRIEND WHO WANTS TO DIE AND
GO TO HEAVEN, JUST TO HELP HIM THE WAY SHE WANTS TO.
SHE
THOUGHT SHE WAS HELPING.
SHE IS NOT EVIL.
THE MORE I READ ABOUT IN THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, THE
LESS I FEEL LIKE THIS GIRL OUGHT TO BE IN PRISON.
I GET IN IT IS AN INTERESTING MOMENT THAT WE HAVE COME TO IN
THE WORLD OF TEXTING AND SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE YOU CAN BE,
THEY ROLLED SHE WAS 100 MILES AWAY OR AN HOUR AWAY BUT
VIRTUALLY PRESENT BECAUSE OF THE TEXTING.
IS A WEIRD CONCEPT AND A WEIRD NEW WAY TO INTERPRET THE LAW.
THIS GUY KILLED HIMSELF.
PUT PUTTING HER IN PRISON FOR 20
YEARS IS NOT, DOES NOT STRIKE ME AS ACCOMPLISHING MUCH.
I FIND INTERESTING AND JUST WORTH NOTING THAT THE SAME
WEEK THAT MICHELLE CARTER IS FOUND GUILTY IN
MASSACHUSETTS IN THE TEXTING SUICIDE, THAT GERONIMO
HERNANDEZ WAS ACQUITTED OF KILLING PHILANDER CASTILLO
WHO ACTUALLY LITERALLY SHOT AND KILLED SOMEBODY AND ADMITS IT.
THEY SHOW THE TOTAL DIFFERENT STANDARD OF HOW WE
HAVE WRITTEN THE LAW TO WHERE A POLICE OFFICER SAYS
I FEEL THREATENED, EVEN THOUGH GOD BLESS THE PROSECUTORS,
EVERYONE KNOWS THE FACTS.
HE KILLED HIMSELF, SHE'S AN HOUR AWAY, SHE DIDN'T TEXT HIM TO
STOP AND PROMPTED HIM ALONG AND PUSHED HIM ALONG AND
SOMEHOW, THAT IS ENOUGH.
I AM NERVOUS ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU COULD BE VIRTUALLY
PRESENT SOMEWHERE AND THAT COULD HAVE A LEGAL CONSEQUENCES
BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE CONSPIRACY LAWS WHEN THEY CAME ALONG THAT
YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING A LOT OF PEOPLE WENT
TO JAIL FOR BEING IN THE ROOM WITH SOMEONE.
IT MAKES ME A
LITTLE BIT NERVOUS BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
I WASN'T HERE EARLIER WHEN YOU GUYS COVER THAT STORY, I KNOW A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET AND I AM ONE OF THEM AS A MOTHER AS
A YOUNG BLACK MALE AS YOU GUYS KNOW AND HEAR OVER AND OVER
AGAIN BECAUSE EVERY TIME HE LEAVES THE HOUSE I FREAK OUT THE
YOU DO?
EVERY SINGLE TIME AND MY KID IS ONE OF THOSE KIDS WHO WILL
NOT TALK BACK AND IS A VERY GOOD HUMAN BEING AND IS A LAW-ABIDING
CITIZEN BUT THAT IS A MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE THE OTHER KID
WAS AN HONOR ROLL STUDENT AND GOT SHOT AND KILLED TOO.
PHILANDO CASTILE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.
I WILL SAY TO YOU PEOPLE WHO DO FIND YOURSELF ON THIS SIDE
OF THE ARGUMENT THAT US HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AMONGST EACH
OTHER ISN'T REALLY DOING MUCH, WE HAVE TO BECOME TRUE ACTIVISTS
AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK LIKE US AND WE REALLY
NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THE WALLS ON A STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE
WITH THIS STUFF.