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>>> BACK IN MARCH THIS ARTICLE MADE ROUNDS WITH AN X TREEM
PROPOSAL FOR LIBERALS THAT FOUND IT HARD TO STOMACH LIVING IN
TRUMP'S AMERICA. THE MESSAGE, DON'T ORGANIZE,
PACK. THE ARTICLE CALLED FOR BLUE
HILLARY CLINTON STATES TO STOP FUNDING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
A BLUE EXIT. WHY?
BECAUSE BLUE STATES FUND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MORE WHILE
RED STATES ARE MOST DEPENDENT ON THE FUNDING.
AUTHOR OF THE PIECE WRITES WE GIVE UP, YOU WIN.
FROM NOW ON WE'LL TREAT THE ANIMATING IDEAL ON WHICH THE
UNITED STATES WAS FOUNDED OUT OF MANY ONE DEAD AND BURIED.
JOINING ME, AUTHOR OF THAT VERY CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE, KEVIN
BAKER, MICHELLE BERNARD, AND BACK WITH US, JAMAL SIMMONS.
I'LL START WITH YOU, BOTH BECAUSE YOU'RE AT THE TABLE AND
YOUR PIECE THAT INSPIRED THE SEGMENT.
TALK ABOUT WHAT A BLUE EXIT WOULD MEAN.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL IS HE -- IS HE SESSION.
>> IT FAILED ONCE. SHOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN.
BUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TRY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BUILD
LIBERALISM WHERE WE CAN. THAT MEANS USING AS MANY OF OUR
RESOURCES, KEEPING OUR RESOURCES, MAKING BLUE STATES
INTO LABORATORIES OF DEMOCRACY. >> YOU THINK BLUE STATES WHICH
PAY MORE INTO FEDERAL TREASURY THAN WE GET BACK, AND RED STATES
TAKE MORE, THEY'RE THE TAKER STATES, WE ARE STATES THAT
DONATE, YOU THINK BLUE STATES SHOULD STOP SENDING TAX MONEY TO
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> WE SHOULD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
LEGALLY. >> IS THAT LEGAL?
>> NO, WE COULDN'T JUST -- BUT WE SHOULD SEIZE UPON ANY AND
EVERY CHANCE RED STATES, REPUBLICANS GIVE US TO BASICALLY
KEEP AS MUCH MONEY, TO AGREE WITH THE FEDERALISM THEY'RE
ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT AND RARELY DOING, WHICH IS TO HAVE ALL OF
THE MONEY THE STATES MAKE STAY IN THE STATES AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE, ALL FOR DOING THAT. >> DAVID FRENCH AGREED WITH YOUR
IDEA AND IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE PERSON WHO WRITES FOR NATIONAL
REVIEW, HE SAID THIS IS THE KIND OF LABORATORY FOR DEMOCRACY I
HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOREVER. HE IS LIKE LET'S DO IT.
HAVE EVERY STATE HOLD THEIR OWN MONEY, DECIDE IN THEIR OWN STATE
HOW TO DO IT. PUT BACK UP FEDERAL DOLLARS
RAISED VERSUS SPENT. YOU CAN SEE IT, IT SHOWS THAT IT
IS A HARD TO READ MAP. STATES WITH A SURPLUS ARE GREEN
STATES, THE GREENER THE STATE, MORE MONEY IT IS PUTTING IN AND
THE REDDER THE STATE, PINKER, MORE MONEY IT IS TAKING OUT.
MICHELLE BERNARD, WHY IS THIS NOT A GOOD IDEA?
DO VOTERS OF RED STATES EXPRESS CONSISTENT DISDAIN FOR BLUE
STATES? THIS IDEA OF SAN FRANCISCO
VALUES IS A THING WHERE PEOPLE FEEL THE ELITES ON THE COAST
DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM, RESPECT THEIR RELIGIOSITY, AND HATEFUL
PERSON THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH.
WHY SHOULD BLUE STATES CONTINUE TO FUND RED STATES THAT HATE
THEM? >> YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THIS
NOTION OF MORE PERFECT UNION. I UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT
BEHIND THE ARTICLE, BUT THE THING IS, IT IS A HARD PILL TO
SWALLOW IF YOU ARE THE DESCENDANT OF SLAVES THAT BUILT
THE NATION, DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE THAT SURVIVED INTERNMENT
CAMPS OR DESCENDANTS OF NATIVE AMERICANS WHO WERE SQUEEZED INTO
RESERVATIONS. IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT PILL TO
SWALLOW. THEN WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US,
THAT THE GREAT AMERICAN EXPERIMENT IN DEMOCRACY WAS A
FAILURE, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER REASON I WOULD SAY THIS IS SO
DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATES THAT ARE
THE PROXIMATE CAUSE OF HARM TO AFRICAN AMERICANS, MUSLIMS,
WOMEN, OR ANY OF THE SOURCE, IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WE
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO LOOK TO TO RIGHT A WRONG.
EVEN TODAY, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE, AT SHOW ME
YOUR PAPER LAWS, WHETHER IT IS FLORIDA, UTAH, ARIZONA, OR TEXAS
WHERE THE STATE ACTORS ARE SAYING THAT THE POLICE CANAN
VIRTUALLY STOP ANYONE THEY WANT AT ANY TIME TO ASK YOU TO PROVE
YOUR CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION STATUS, AND THEN HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SAY THEY DON'T BELIEVE THE PAPERS THAT YOU'RE
CARRYING, IT IS A VERY SCARY NOTION TO BELIEVE AND TO WANT TO
BELIEVE THIS NOTION THAT THE BLUE STATES SHOULD BASICALLY
ABANDON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. MORE THAN 50% OF THE AFRICAN
AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY LIVE IN RED STATES.
WOMEN, 48 TO 51% OF WOMEN LIVE IN RED STATES.
MUSLIMS FOR THE MOST PART, THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS IN
THE UNITED STATES WHO ARE UNDER ATTACK AS WE SPEAK TODAY LIVE IN
RED STATES. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, MOVE
THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF RED STATES TO BLUE STATES?
>> WHAT WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT.
>> I THINK THOSE ARE VERY GOOD POINTS.
I THINK THAT IS A REAL CONCERN. THE TROUBLE IS UNDER TRUMP,
UNDER THIS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, NEITHER MONEY OR CONCERN WILL
GET TO PEOPLE THAT NEED IT MOST IN THE RED STATES.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT INTERESTED IN HELPING
MISSISSIPPI. THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS IS NOT
GOING TO TRY TO FIX DETROIT OR EVEN FIX THE WATER SYSTEM IN
FLINT. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION GREAT
PROJECT IS TO MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE FOR
IMMIGRANTS, FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT US TO SHOW
CARDS EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME. >> IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE IN UPSIDE
DOWN WORLD, WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE ONE DEMANDING
EVERYBODY'S PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT VOTED AND STATES ARE
PUSHING BACK SAYING NO, WAIT A MINUTE, MR. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT. YOU HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
SAYING WE'RE GOING TO STRIP AWAY YOUR MEDICAID, EVEN REPUBLICAN
STATES SAYING YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY OUR HEALTH CARE.
THERE'S AN INTERESTING STATISTIC IN CITY LIMITS.ORG, SAID BY
2040, 70% OF AMERICANS EXPECTED TO LIVE IN 15 LARGEST STATES
WHICH ARE ALSO HOME TO OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 30
LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY, AND THAT MEANS THAT 70% OF THE
AMERICANS WILL ONLY GET 30 SENATORS AND 30% OF AMERICANS
WILL GET 70 SENATORS. ARE WE SPEEDING TOWARD A TIME
WHEN THE RURAL, SMALLER STATES ARE GOING TO RULE OVER STATES
WITH BIG CITIES I IN THEM? AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE?
>> YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PLACE WAS SET UP SO RURAL, SMALLER STATES
WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY, NOT GET OVERRUN BY SOME OF THE
BIGGER STATES, BUT LET'S REMEMBER WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME
PERSPECTIVE HERE. JUST TEN YEARS AGO NOW SOME OF
THE STATES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VOTED FOR A BLACK MAN WITH A
FUNNY NAME FROM CHICAGO NAMED BARACK OBAMA, SO THE FACT THAT
WE NOW HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE DONALD TRUMP IN OFFICE DOES NOT MEAN
THE COUNTRY IS ALL OF A SUDDEN SPIRALLED INTO SOME CRAZY PLACE
WE CAN'T RECOVER FROM, IT MEANS PERHAPS SOME OF US IN BLUE
STATES HAVE MORE WORK TO DO. >> BUT THERE WAS INCREDIBLE
SYMMETRY IN THE VOTES, MOST RED STATES GAVE BARACK OBAMA DEEP
RED SOUTH GAVE HIM 10 TO 11% OF VOTE.
>> SURE. >> DEMOCRATS THINKING THEY COULD
WIN IN KANSAS OR MONTANA WAS CRAZY, NOT THE FACT THEY LOST.
THERE'S A PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT'S RED SEEMINGLY
PERMANENTLY. WHY SHOULD BLUE STATES KEEP
SUBSIDIZING THEM. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE PERSPECTIVE
ARE LIBERAL, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSERVATIVE CAN BE VERY
GENEROUS. I WOULD RECOMMEND PEOPLE LOOK AT
CHERYL CASH EN'S WORK. SHE WOULD ARGUE AFTER CALIFORNIA
IN 1994 WAS ALMOST UNGOVERNABLE, WE HAD MORE IMMIGRATION, MORE
INTERRACIAL MIXING, HAD MORE PEOPLE, MORE OLDER PEOPLE DYING
OFF, AND THE COUNTRY, CALIFORNIA BECAME GOVERNABLE, THE UNITED
STATES CAN TOO. >> ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS A DEBATE. HAVE TO HAVE PART TWO OF THIS.
KEVIN BAKER, MICHELLE BERNARD, JAMAL SIMMONS, WE WILL HAVE YOU
BACK AND DEBATE THIS AGAIN. >>> AT THE THE TOP OF THE HOUR,
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