THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THESE CABINET
APPOINTEES, THEY WERE SELECTED FOR A REASON.
THE DECONSTRUCTION. THE WAY THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT
RUNS, IF THEY CAN'T GET IT PASSED, THEY WILL PUT IT IN A
REGULATION IN AN AGENCY THAT WILL ALL BE DECONSTRUCTED.
>> THE OFTEN DISCUSSED, RARELY HEARD ENIGMATIC WHITE HOUSE
STRATEGIST STEVE BANNON LAYING OUT HOW HE WANTS TO DISMANTLE,
AGAIN THAT PHRASE, THE GOVERNMENT'S ADMINISTRATIVE
STATE, STILL MISUNDERSTOOD BY PEOPLE.
A NEW BOOK DETAILS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BANNON AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP. THERE IT IS.
IT IS CALLED DEVIL'S BARGAIN. IT WAS RELEASED TODAY AND THIS
IS IMPRESSIVE. IT IS ALREADY NUMBER ONE BEST
SELLER ON AMAZON. THE AUTHOR, JOSHUA GREEN.
AFTER AN EXHAUSTING INITIAL DAY IS WITH US DURING THE SHANK OF
THE EVENING. HE IS ALSO THE SENIOR NATIONAL
CORRESPONDENT FOR BLOOMBERG BUSINESS WEEK.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU. HOW IS THIS ANYTHING MORE?
>> BECAUSE TRUMP WON'T ALLOW HIMSELF TO HAVE PUPPET STRINGS
THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL PULL. AND BANNON IS LESS SVENGALI THAN
IDEALOGUE. SOMEBODY WITH DEEP RICH
MOTIVATIONS THAT HAVE FUNNELED THEMSELVES INTO MOTIVATIONS.
>> YOU USED THE WORD IDEALOGUE. IF THE PRESIDENT ISN'T AN
IDEALOGUE, WHAT IN HIM WANTED TO HAND OVER THAT PART OF, OKAY,
YOU TELL ME HOW WE SHOULD DO THIS AND WHAT PART OF BANNON
WANTED TO HITCH HIS WAGON TO DONALD TRUMP?
>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS BANNON TELLING TRUMP WHAT TO DO.
I THINK BANNON FLATTERED TRUMP. HE RECOGNIZED THAT TRUMP HAS
THESE POPULIST IMPULSES AND SAID YOU'RE NOT A CLOWN.
YOU'RE NOT A PUNK LINE. I HAVE THIS WHOLE INTELLECTUAL
INFRASTRUCTURE. HE USED TO TELL TRUMP THAT TRUMP
WAS PART OF THIS GLOBAL UPRISING.
IT FED TRUMP'S EGO. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE
ANECDOTES IN THE BOOK ABOUT HOW TRUMP FED ON BANNON'S INPUT THE
SAME WAY A BOXER FEEDS ON THE PEP TALK HE GETS FROM THE CORNER
MAN IN THE RING. THAT WORKED TO BRILLIANT EFFECT
IN THE CAMPAIGN. IT HAND WORKED AS WELL IN THE
WHITE HOUSE. BUT BANNON IS A GUY WHO
UNDERSTANDS OR UNDERSTOOD HOW TO CONNECT WITH TRUMP.
>> THERE'S A POINT IN THE BOOK WHERE YOU TOUCH ON DONALD
TRUMP'S RATINGS IN THE APPRENTICE AS MEASURES WITH HIS
POPULARITY WITH CERTAIN ETHNIC GROUPS.
>> ONE OF THE FASCINATING DISCOVERIES THAT I HAD
RESEARCHING THE BOOK, IF YOU FLASH BACK TEN YEARS WHEN DONALD
TRUMP WAS AN ENTERTAINER ON THE APPRENTICE, HE WAS MORE POPULAR
WITH BLACK AND HISPANIC VOTERS THAN WHITE VOTERS.
THAT MADE THEM DARLING OF CORPORATE AMERICA.
TOYOTA, HOME DEPOT, McDONALD'S. EVERYBODY WANTS A PIECE OF HIM
BECAUSE THEY WAS MULTICULTURAL PERSON.
I TALKED WITH THE CEO THAT DOES ADS FOR FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES.
SHE SAID TRUMP WAS WONDERFUL. HE PRESENTED BLACKS AND
HISPANICS AS ENTREPRENEURS, STILL ON PRIME TIME TELEVISION
THEY WERE PORTRAYED AS GANGSTERS OR ENTERTAINERS OR ALL THE
STEREO TIMES WE REMEMBER. INSTEAD OF RUNNING AS A BIG TEN
OPEN PARTY CANDIDATE, HE BURNED THAT ALL DOWN.
THE BIRTHER, THE FAR RIGHT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
>> WHAT WAS STEVE BANNON EVER DOING ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY
COUNCIL? >> NO IDEA.
BUT BANNON WAS AT THE OUTSET OF THE ADMINISTRATION, VERY
INFLUENTIAL. PRETTY MUCH WROTE HIS OWN
TICKET. I WAS TOLD, TRUMP NEVER SAID, I
WANT YOU ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL.
BANNON JUST DID IT UNTIL HE GOT SHOVED OUT.
HE HAS GRAND YOSS IDEAS, NOT JUST ABOUT TRADE AND IMMIGRATION
BUT ABOUT CHANGING THE WHOLE GLOBAL SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT AND
TRYING TO REACH BACK TO ALMOST A PRE ENLIGHTENMENT TIME.
DRIVEN BY A VERY CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICISM.
I GET INTO THE ROOTS OF THAT IN THE BOOK INCLUDING THE ODDEST
CHARACTER. BAN OBJECT HAS ANT INTELLECTUAL
WHO PRACTICED OCCULTISM GIVEN EVER