MOMENT. BUT THE REPORT FROM McCLATCHY
THAT SAYS INVESTIGATORS ON THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTEL
COMMITTEES AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ARE LOOKING INTO THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN'S DIGITAL OPERATIONS, SPECIFICALLY WHETHER
THE PROGRAM OVERSEEN BY JARED KUSHNER HELPED GUIDE RUSSIA'S
VOTER TARGETING AND FAKE NEWS ATTACKS ON HILLARY CLINTON IN
2016. DID THE CAMPAIGN POINT RUSSIAN
CYBER OPERATIVES AND BOTS TO SPECIFIC AREAS IN SPECIFIC
STATES. FOR THE REPORT, McCLATCHY SPOKE
TO A FORMER PENTAGON OFFICIAL WHO JUST LEFT THE DEPARTMENT OF
DEFENSE IN JANUARY AND THAT SENIOR OFFICIAL SAID, QUOTE,
THERE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT COOPERATION BETWEEN
RUSSIA'S ONLINE PROPAGANDA MACHINE AND INDIVIDUALS IN THE
UNITED STATES WHO WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHERE TO
TARGET THE DISINFORMATION. LAST NIGHT RACHEL MADDOW SPOKE
WITH THAT FORMER SENIOR PENTAGON OFFICIAL, MICHAEL CARPENTER, AND
HE EXPLAINED WHY RUSSIA MAY HAVE NEEDED PEOPLE ON U.S. SOIL.
>> THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME DEGREE OF TAILORED MESSAGING, IN
FACT, DOWN TO THE VERY PRECINCT LEVEL, TARGETING SWING VOTERS IN
CERTAIN MIDWESTERN STATES. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, A, DON'T POSSESS THE INTERNAL CAPACITY TO
ABLE TO DO THAT ON THEIR OWN IN A VERY SOPHISTICATED WAY BUT, B,
IT IS THEIR M.O. AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN A NUMBER OF OTHER
COUNTRIES TO REACH OUT AND TRY TO USE POLITICAL OPERATIVES IN
THE UNITED STATES IN THIS CASE TO HELP WITH BOTH THE MESSAGE,
BOTH THE CONTENT BUT ALSO WHERE TO TARGET IT.
>> WE KNOW THAT ESSENTIALLY RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE CUT-OUTS
FOR THE GRU, THE RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE,
LIKE THE GUCCIFER COMPONENT, REACHED OUT TO THE TRUMP INNER
SIRK BULL ALSO TO AN OPERATIVE IN FLORIDA TO ILLICIT AND SHARE
INFORMATION. IT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT
THE RUSSIAN APPARATUS WOULD NOT HAVE REACHED OUT TO INDIVIDUALS
IN THE U.S. IN ORDER TO GLEAN MORE WAS IN ON HOW TO TARG THEY
INFORMATION. IT'S JUST NOT CREDIBLE FOR ME TO
BELIEVE THEY RAN THIS FROM THE G.R.U. HEADQUARTERS IN
WASHINGTON. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> THAT'S MICHAEL CARPENTER. RICK TYLER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE UNDERLINE THERE IS NO LINK MADE TO THIS YET.
>> RIGHT. >> WE HEAR SOMEONE IN THE
DEPARTMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO HEAR THAT STRONGABLY ABOUT IT, IT
MAKES YOU WANT TO DIG DEEPER. >> WE HEAR THE RATCHET CONTINUES
TO CLICK. WITH EVERY REVELATION IT CLICKS
AND THEN THERE'S A NEW SET OF TALKING POINTS.
THIS PART OF THE RATCHET HAS NOT CLICKED YET.
IF IT'S TRUE, THERE'S NO WAY THE RUSSIANS WOULD BE ABLE TO TARGET
TO SPECIFIC PRECINCTS WITH SPECIFIC MESSAGE COUNTER THAT TO
WITHIN OF MICHIGAN, IF IT'S TRUE THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT WITH
OUTSIDE HELP. NOW, IT MAY NOT WHY, ESPECIALLY
AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL, IS
ASTOUNDING. TARGETING PEOPLE DOWN TO A BLOCK
AND FINDING OUT WHAB THEY LIKE OR DISLIKE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A WONDERMENT THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE SO
SKILLFULLY ABLE TO HONE IN ON THIS.
>> I COINCIDENTALLY RAN INTO A TOP CLINTON OFFICIAL WHO SERVED
ON THE CAMPAIGN YESTERDAY AT UNION STAEGS AND SHE SAID, YOU
KNOW, IT WAS ABOUT THYME A YEAR AGO WHEN WE STARTED TO RAISE
FLAGS TO YOU ALL IN THE MEDIA. BUT SHE SAID ABOUT SOME OF THIS
TARGETING AND THE BOTS AND SPECIFICITY OF IT, SHE SAID,
HOWEVER, NEVER IN OUR WILDEST DREAMS DID WE THINK THE TRUMP
OFFICIALS COULD ACTUALLY BE DIRECTING THEM.
BUT NOW THAT SOME OF THIS IS COMING OUT LIKE IN THE E-MAILS,
THEY'RE JUST -- EVEN THE CLINTON PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED AT HOW --
WHAT THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE EVOLVED AND WHAT THE LEVEL OF
TALKS MAY HAVE BEEN. REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT THERE YET,
LIKE RICK SAYS, BUT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT OVER TWITTER HE HAD
SOME CONTACT AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT WITH GUCCIFER 2.0.
LIKE RICK SAID, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT NOT TO PREJUDGE THIS
BECAUSE THE RACKET MAY NOT QUICK.
THERE ARE DISTURBING SIGNS THERE.
>> EVERY TIME IN DEBATE HIS CANDIDATE WOULD GO AFTER TRUMP,
THE BACH WITH ALL KICK IN. WE TRACED IT BACK AND IT CAME
FROM VARIOUS GERMAN PLACES. JARED KUSHNER, WHO GOT THIS
INCREDIBLE CREDIT FOR BEING A DIGITAL WHIZ AND MAKING THIS
HAPPEN, I GREW UP IN THAT WORLD. I SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE AD BASIS
AND MARG ETTING WORLD. AND HERE'S A GUY WHO SPENT TEN
YEARS BECOMING A SKION AND ORCHESTRATING IT.
I REMEMBER GOING -- WHERE'd THAT COME FROM?
. >> Phil: SO YOU GOT TO HAVE THE
TARGETING IN BUT ALSO YOU IF THAT'S TRUE YOU REALLY DO HAVE A
CASE THAT WE WANT TO SAY THE