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A MATTER OF WHETHER PRESIDENT CAME IN AND SAID I DON'T BELIEVE
YOU AND WE HAVE TO STOP IT FROM GOING FORWARD.
>> HOW SURPRISING IS IT TO YOU GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH
RUSSIA, YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT THE
AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE
SEEMINGLY HAVE NOT PUSHED THIS ISSUE AS HARD AS I AS AN
AMERICAN CITIZEN THINK THAT SHOULD BE PUSHED.
>> WELL, LET'S TALK FROM AN INTELLIGENCE PERSPECTIVE.
PRESIDENT TRUMP VIEWED ANY QUESTIONING OF THE ELECTIONS,
THE HACKING, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AS A REFERENDUM ON
HIS ELECTION AND HE WILL NOT HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WILL SAY
ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY. THE ENTIRE U.S. INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY DISCOUNTS IT TO THE POINT WHERE HE INSULTS IT TO OUR
ALLIES OVERSEAS. SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AS A
CITIZEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHO IS MORE
TRUSTWORTHY HERE. IS IT GOING TO BE YOUR
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES THATS THA YOU SAFE IN YOUR BEDS DAY AND
NIGHT OR SOMEONE WHO IS KNOWN TO GO UP AND THIS JUST PUT THE
SECRETARY OF STATE OUT TO GIVE AN OPINION THAT IS PATENTLY
FALSE AND THE RUSSIANS, WHO ARE READY TO MANIPULATE THIS AT
EVERY TURN, DECIDED PUTTING UP THE TRUTH WOULD BE MORE
CREDITABLE THAN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> HOW TROUBLING IS IT TO YOU AS SOMEONE WHO RUNS A PRO-DEMOCRACY
MOVEMENT AND GROUP THAT THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT SEEMS TO WANT
TO COZY UP AND HAVE A FANTASTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RUSSIAN
PRESIDENT? >> WELL, OF COURSE, THERE'S
NOTHING NEW IN THIS. IF YOU RECALL THE TWO PREVIOUS
U.S. PRESIDENTS, THEIR FIRST MEETINGS WITH EITHER MR. PUTIN
OR HIS PLACEHOLDER ALSO DEFINED IN MANY WAYS AND SET THE TONE
FOR THEIR ATTEMPTS TO ACHIEVE FRIENDLY AND ACCOMMODATING
RELATIONS WITH PUTIN. PRESIDENT BUSH LOOKING INTO HIS
EYES AND SEEING HIS SOUL OR PRESIDENT OBAMA DECLARING A
RESET IN RELATIONS WITH THE PUTIN REGIME.
THIS FOLLOWS ALONG ESTABLISHED PATTERNS.
IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, THOSE ATTEMPTS
TO BE FRIENDLY WITH MR. PUTIN DIDN'T END VERY WELL AND THEY
COULD NOT HAVE ENDED OTHERWISE, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY
THEY CANNOT BE A CONVERGENCE OF INTERESTS OR A RELATIONSHIP
BASED ON MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND TRUST BETWEEN ON THE ONE
HAND A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM AND ON THE OTHER HAND AN UNELECTED
REGIME OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. I THINK THOSE LESSONS REALLY
NEED TO BE LEARNED. ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF
THIS IS THIS IS JUST NOT A MEETING OF TWO INDIVIDUALS.
THIS IS A MEETING OF TWO WORLD LEADERS WITH DIFFERENT

ONE IS A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED HEAD OF STATE IN A DEMOCRATIC
CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM AND THE OTHER ONE IS AN AUTHORITARIAN
LEADER. IF THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION WANTS
TO HAVE A GENUINELY COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA, IT'S
IMPORTANT TO TALK TO MR. PUTIN AND HIS REGIME AND TALK TO OTHER
VOICES IN RUSSIAN SOCIETY REPRESENTATIVE OF OTHER
POLITICAL VIEWS IN RUSSIA BECAUSE MR. PUTIN IS NOT THE
DUALLY ELECTED DEMOCRATIC LEADER OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
THE MASS PROTESTS THAT WE SAW ACROSS RUSSIA WEEKS AGO ARE A
GOOD REMINDER OF THAT. >> I TAKE YOUR POINT.
EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS COME INTO OFFICE HOPING
TO HAVE BETTER RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA ONLY TO BE DISAPPOINTED
YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THOSE OTHER
PRESIDENTS STILL HAD A JAUNDICE VIEW OF RUSSIA AS A WHOLE.
JAMIE, LET ME COME TO YOU. PART OF THE REASON WHY I'M SO
TROUBLED BY WHAT WE SAW AT THE G20 IS THE PAST STATEMENTS BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP EITHER AS A CANDIDATE AND CERTAINLY AS
PRESIDENT ABOUT VLADIMIR PUTIN. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
>> PUTIN'S A KILLER. >> A LOT OF KILLERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF KILLERS. YOU THINK OUR COUNTRY'S SO
INNOCENT. IF HE SAYS GREAT THINGS ABOUT
ME, I'M GOING TO SAY GREAT THINGS ABOUT HIM.
I'VE ALREADY SAID HE IS A LEADER.
HE GOES DONALD TRUMP -- DONALD TRUMP -- THINK OF IT -- WANTS TO
BEFRIEND PUTIN AND OTHER THINGS. I SAID TO MYSELF WHAT'S WRONG
WITH THAT. >> I MEAN, SURE, WHAT'S WRONGNG
WITH THAT, TRYING TO HAVE GOOD RELATIONS WITH AN ADVERSARY OF
THE UNITED STATES, EXCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
DOESN'T SEEM TO LOOK AT VLADIMIR PUTIN OR RUSSIA AS AN ADVERSARY.
>> NO, I THINK THAT'S ONE VERY DISTURBING ELEMENT OF THE
MEETING YESTERDAY AND I THINK VLADIMIR HIT THE NAIL ON THE
HEAD. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS REPEATING
THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST. IN THIS CASE PRESIDENT TRUMP
ALSO DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REGIME OF VLADIMIR
PUTIN IS NOT AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES.
HE SEEMS TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE TERRORISM THAT
WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON AND THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO FIND
THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE RUSSIANS FAIL
TO DELIVER WHETHER IT'S IN SYRIA OR WE DON'T SHARE THE SAME
INTERESTS WITH THEM IN TERMS OF RESOLVING THAT CONFLICT OR
WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY SHORING UP OUR DEMOCRACY AND PREVENTING
THEM FROM MEDDLING IN THE FUTURE WHICH IS WHAT'S MISSED IN ALL
THE DRAMA OF HOW THE MEETING WENT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK
AGAIN, THE RUSSIANS ARE CONTINUING TO TRY TO INFLUENCE
OUR DEMOCRACY AS WE HERE IN THE U.S. ARE DISTRACTED ARGUING WITH
EACH OTHER, THE RUSSIANS CONTINUE TO SOW DISCORD AND
THAT'S WHAT'S MOST FRIGHTENING TO ME.
>> IN THE RUN-UP TO THE G20 THERE WAS ALL THIS TALK ABOUT
HOW IS PRESIDENT TRUMP GOING TO BE PREPARED, HOW IS HE GOING TO
BE BRIEFED. IS HE GOING TO BE READY TO GO UP
AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN, WHO IS A FORMER KGB
AGENT, DEEP IN THE RUSSIAN INTEL COMMUNITY, LONG TIME LEADER OF
RUSSIA AND ONE OF THE ARTICLES POINTED THIS OUT AND SAYS THAT
THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T OFTEN READ THE USUAL BRIEFING BOOKS AND
RELIES ON IN PERSON BRIEFINGS SO AIDS HAVE WRITTEN A LIST OF
TWEET LENGTH SENTENCES THAT SUMMARIZE THE MAIN POINTS TRUMP
COULD BRING UP WITH PUTIN. THIS IS FROM THE LOS ANGELES
TIMES. TWEET LENGTH SENTENCES FOR THE
PRESIDENT TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED
STATES AND RUSSIA. >> RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT IS DISTURBING TO SAY THE LEAST WHEN IT COMES
TO ANYBODY WHO CARES ABOUT THE U.S.'S PREPAREDNESS TO GO UP
AGAINST AN ADVERSARY LIKE RUSSIA.
EVEN AHEAD OF THIS MEETING, McMASTER SAID THERE WASN'T A
SPECIFIC AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING AND THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO
KIND OF COME IN AND DISCUSS WHATEVER IS ON THE PRESIDENT'S
MIND. I THINK THAT ALSO OUR ALLIES AND
OUR ADVERSARIES AGAIN ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND LOOKING TO
SEE IS THIS REALLY A PRESIDENT THAT IS ABLE AND WILLING TO
COMMUNICATE THE INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO OUR ALLIES
AND OUR ADVERSARIES. WE'RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT
TRUMP/PUTIN AND THE PERSONALITIES INVOLVED WITH THIS
MEETING. THIS WAS THE MAIN CARD FIGHT.
THIS WAS THE TITLE MATCHUP OF THE G20, BUT I THINK WHAT'S LOST
IN ALL OF THIS IS WHAT ARE AMERICAN INTERESTS AND THE
PRESIDENT'S JOB, WHEN WE SEND HIM ABROAD, HE IS SERVING THE
INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOT JUST THOSE WHO VOTED
FOR HIM, BUT ALL OF AMERICANS. SO WAS HE ABLE TO ARTICULATE OR
INTERESTS. >> RIGHT.
SINCE KAREN TALKED ABOUT PERSONALITIES AND SHE MENTIONED
H.R. McMASTER, THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, NOT IN THAT
MEETING. ANOTHER PERSON WHO WASN'T AT
THAT MEETING, BUT WASN'T BROUGT ON THE TRIP FIONA HILL.
SHE'S THE DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR IN CHARGE OF
EUROPE AND RUSSIA. >> VERY HAWKISH AGAINST RUSSIA
AND VERY FLUENT IN RUSSIAN. SHE WAS NOT IN THE ROOM.
YOU COULD SAY McMASTER DID HIMSELF A FAVOR BY NOT BEING
THERE BECAUSE TO HAVE TO COME OUT AND SPIN A NARRATIVE ABOUT
HOW THIS WENT DOWN IN SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT, I THINK VLADIMIR
PUTIN IN A SENSE GAVE THE PRESIDENT AN OUT BECAUSE IF HE
DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PAST, IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE ELECTION AND WHAT ROLE RUSSIA MAY HAVE PLAYED IN HIS
WINNING THE ELECTION, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE FUTURE.
WHAT IS RUSSIA DOING NOW. HE HAS HIS HEADS RUNNING THESE
AGENCIES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY TELLING HIM RUSSIA MEDDLED AND
RUSSIA IS CONTINUING TO MEDDLE, REPORTS ABOUT RUSSIANS ATTACKING
OR SNOOPING AROUND NUCLEAR FACILITIES HERE IN THE U.S.
THERE'S A LOT TO FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD THAT RUSSIA IS INVOLVED
IN.
DON'T FOCUS ON THE PAST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT CONTINUE TO
HOUND RUSSIA AND BE TOUGH ON THEM ABOUT GOING FORWARD IN THE
ROLE RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PLAY AND IS CURRENTLY PLAYING IN
INTERFERING IN OUR SYSTEM. >> MALCOLM.
>> FOR THE LAST DAY I'VE BEEN CALLING WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT
MEETING RUSSIAN INFORMATION DOMINANCE OPERATION.
THEY HAVE CONTROLLED THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN
THAT ROOM, EVEN WHEN TILLERSON CAME OUT HE CAME OFF AS NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH. TRUMP HIMSELF HAS ISOLATED
HIMSELF FROM EVERY ASPECT OF U.S. INFORMATION SHARING THAT IS
LEGITIMATE AND HE HAS DECIDED THAT TWEET LENGTH DESCRIPTIONS
OF WHAT HE THINKS IS FOREIGN POLICY IS THE WAY HE'S GOING TO
GET INFORMATION. VLADIMIR PUTIN IS AN
INTELLIGENCE CHIEF AND HE USES ALL THE ASPECTS OF RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE POWER TO GAIN DOMINANCE OVER DONALD TRUMP.
VLADIMIR PUTIN USED HIS REWARDS POINTS IN THIS MEETING TO GAIN
TRACTION ON ISSUES THAT NOW WILL REWARD MOSCOW IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE SEE THE INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION
FACILITY GIVEN BACK TO RUSSIAN AND RUSSIAN SANCTIONS LIFTED AS
A REWARD FOR THIS GREAT REWARD. >> MINUS LIFTING SANCTIONS AND
GIVING COMPOUNDS BACK, THIS WAS A DEFINITE WIN FOR VLADIMIR
PUTIN. THEY WALKED OUT OF THIS MEETING
SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO SET UP A JOINT CYBER

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