George W. Bush Ethics Lawyer On Donald Trump Jr.: This May Be Treasonous | The 11th Hour

>>> ALL I'M SAY SOMETHING THE FACTS REPORTED IN "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" ARTICLE COME VERY CLOSE IF NOT CROSSING THE LINE WITH
RESPECT TO TREASON IF THOSE FACTS ARE TRUE.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S TRUE. >> STRONG WORDS FROM THE CHIEF
ETHICS LAWYER FOR FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE
WHITE HOUSE ABOUT HOW LEGALLY SIGNIFICANT THIS MEETING BETWEEN
DONALD TRUMP JR. AND IN RUSSIAN LAWYER REALLY IS.
WITH US TO TALK ABOUT HIS CLAIM IS RICHARD PAINTER WHO NOW
TEACHES LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.
ALSO WITH US OUR FRIEND PAUL BUTLER FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR
FOCUSED ON PUBLIC CORRUPTION WHILE AT DOJ PROSECUTING A U.S.
SENATOR AND FBI AGENTS. FOR HIS PART HE TEACHES LAW AT
GEORGETOWN. RICHARD PAINTER, WHAT AS IT HAS
HAPPENED AS ALLEGED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," WHAT IS ILLEGAL
ABOUT IT? WELL WE NOW HAVE EVEN MORE
INFORMATION. WE ARE TOLD THAT DONALD TRUMP
JR. RECEIVED AN EMAIL AND INFORMING HIM THAT THE RUSSIANS
WANTED TO HELP HIS FATHER'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
HE WAS ALSO TOLD THAT THE RUSSIAN HAD DEROGATORY
INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON BEFORE THE MEETING.
AT THAT POINT ANY LOYAL AMERICAN WOULD HAVE CALLED THE FBI
BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW THE RUSSIANS GET DEROGATORY INFORMATION ABOUT
PEOPLE. IT'S THE WAY THIEF BEEN DOING IT
EVER SINCE THE 1917 RUSSIAN REVOLUTION, BY CONDUCTING
ESPIONAGE AND TRYING TO DESTABILIZE WESTERN GOVERNMENTS.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS TO US.
HE WOULD HAVE CALLED THE FBI IF HE HAD BEEN ACTING RESPONSIBLY.
BUT INSTEAD HE GOES TO THE MEETING AND BRINGS ALONG TO THE
MEETING APPARENTLY JARED KUSHNER AND MR. MANAFORT, THE CAMPAIGN
MANAGER. WE'VE GOT THE TOP THREE
PEOPLE -- THE TOP BRASS OF A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AT A MEETING
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVED THAT NOTHING HAPPENED?
NYET. WE KNOW.
>> HOW DOES IN COMPARE IF THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WAS TRYING TO
WORK THROUGH LOCAL FOLKS TO GET THE NEW INFAMOUS TRUMP DOSSIER,
WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN THE SAME THING IN THE EYES OF THE LAW AS
THIS. WE'RE STILL ALL OF US GETTING
USED TO THE NOTION OF RUSSIANS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH
AMERICAN POLITICS OF COURSE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, BRIAN, IT'S A FEDERAL CRIME TO SOLICIT A
CONTRIBUTE ATTENTION FROM A FOREIGN NATIONAL BACKUP TRUMP
SAYS HE WENT TO MEETING AND NOW NIGH HE WAS MEETING WITH A
RUSSIAN OPERATIVE. WHEN SHE DIDN'T DELIVER THAT'S
WHEN I GOT UP AND LEFT. THAT'S STILL A FEDERAL CRIME IF
YOU SOLICIT, TRY TO GET INFORMATION FROM DIRT ON HILLARY
FROM SOMEONE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SELECTION.
>> SOLICITING DOESN'T NEEN A DOLLAR AMOUNT NECESSARILY TP.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING IN KIND. >> A THING OF VALUE OR A SERVICE
LIKE OPPOSITION RESEARCH. >> RICHARD PAINTER, BECAUSE I
HEARD SOME LAWYERS BRING IT UP THIS EVENING AND I THINK THIS IS
A TERM OF ART THAT WE BETTER LEARN NOW.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ALL OF US CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT, AS
LEGAL TERMINOLOGY AND HOW IT MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN THIS CASE
OF DONALD JR. >> FIRST OF ALL WE'RE TOLD THAT
THE RUSSIANS DIDN'T DELIVER THE GOODS AT THIS MEETING.
BUT WE KNOW THAT T THE RUSSIANS DELIVERED THE GOODS BIG TIME BY
NOVEMBER. AND WE ARE NOW LEARNING FOR THE
FIRST TIME OF CONTACTS BETWEEN NOT ONLY PEOPLE IN THE CAMPAIGN
BUT THE VERY TOP PEOPLE IN THE CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIAN AGENTS.
AND TO CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE SOMEONE, YES YOU NEED TO TO SHOW
MENS REA TO INTENT ON THEIR PART AT THE TIME OF THE CRIMINAL TO
EXIT THE CRIME. IF THEY KNEW THE RUSSIANS
OBTAINED INFORMATION ILLEGALLY, OF SECRETARY CLINTON BY HACKING
COMPUTERS, BY THAT ENGAGING IN ESPIONAGE INSIDE THE UNITED
STATES. IT WOULD BE A CRANIUM FOR THEM
TO MEET WITH THE RUSSIANS AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT CONSPIRACY.
AS PROFESSOR BUTLER POINTED OUT IT'S ALSO A CRIMINAL TO ACCEPT
CONTRIBUTIONS IN KIND IN DOLLARS OR RUBBLES OR WHATEVER FL A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR NATIONAL OF ANY SORT.
AND THIS WAS CLEARLY ASSISTANCE FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
OFFERED TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. IT NEEDED TO BE REPORTED TO THE
FBI. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
THIS. AND I DO NOT BUY THE STORY THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE TIME DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
IT'S HIS OWN SON. IT'S HIS OWN CAMPAIGN MANAGER.
IT'S HIS SON-IN-LAW ALL THREE OF THEM IN THE ROOM WITH A RUSSIAN
AGENT. AND THEY ARE -- APPEAR TO ME TO
BE VIOLATING THE LAW. IT'S A VERY, VERY SERIOUS
SITUATION. AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT
TAKING IN SERIOUSLY AT ALL. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO
LEARN ABOUT THIS OVER THE COMING WEEKS.
>> PROFESSOR BUTLER IF YOU'RE MUELLER AND YOU O OPEN YOUR "NE
YORK TIMES" OR THE LID OF YOUR LAPTOP OR LOOK AT YOUR PHONE AND
YOU SEE TONIGHT'S STORY, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?
>> WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU'RE KEEPING YOUR EYE ON THE
BIG KAHUNA. SO PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMS TO BE A
SUBJECT OF THIS INVESTIGATION. THERE IS NO WAY THAT A
PROSECUTOR NATURALLY SKEPTICAL AND SUSPICIOUS WOULD THINK THAT
TRUMP DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING.
SO, AGAIN, IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S SON, HIS SON-IN-LAW AND HIS
CAMPAIGN MANAGER MEETING WITH THE RUSSIAN OPERATIVE AROUND THE
SAME TIME RUSSIAN TRUMP CANDIDATE TRUMP IS SAYING I SURE
WISH THE RUSSIANS IF THEY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY WOULD
DELIVER IT. THEY GO TO THE MEETING WITH THE
RUSSIANS AND DON'T TELL HIM. BOB MUELLER WILL HAVE A HARD
TIME BLEEFRG THAT. HE IS GOING TO WONDER WHY IS
EVERYBODY LYING ABOUT THIS? THAT'S WHEN HE PULSE DONALD
TRUMP JR. INTO THE GRAND JURY OR MEETING WITH AN FBI AGENT, YOU
KNOW HE HAS NEVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH UNLIKE JARED KUSHNER
UNLIKE MICHAEL FLYNN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO

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