WITH THE REPUBLICANS. AND SOME DEMOCRATS.
I THINK WE GET ALL THE DEMOCRATS I HOPE WE GET A GOOD NUMBER OF
REPUBLICANS THAT SAY THE FOLLOWING.
A SPECIAL COUNSEL CANNOT BE FIRED WHEN THEY WERE IMPANELLED
TO INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT OR HIS TEAM UNLESS YOU HAVE
JUDICIAL REVIEW OF THE FIRING. NOT JUST FOR TRUMP BUT FOR ANY
FUTURE PRESIDENT. WE NEED A CHECK AND BALANCE
HERE. >> INK US NOW PAUL BUTLER AT
FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. AND RON KLEIN IS BACK WITH US.
RAN YOU SERVED ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHERE THE
BILL HE IS TALKING ABOUT WOULD HAVE TO ORIGINATE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROSPECT FOR A BILL LIKE THAT.
>> YOU KNOW IT'S HARD TO SAY. YOU SAW A LOT OF SENATE
REPUBLICANS SPEAK OUT WITH PERSONAL LOYALTY TO JEFF
SESSIONS AND OUTRAGE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S HUMILIATION OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS. BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE
REPUBLICANS STEP UP AND DEFEND THE RULE OF LAW.
THAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE. THE PRESIDENT ATTACKED JEFF
SESSIONS FOR OBEYING THE LAWEN A RECUSING HIMSELF.
HE ATTACKED JEFF SESSIONS FOR NOT LAUNCHING A POLITICLY BASED
PROSECUTION AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WE LOVE JEFF SESSIONS KEEP HIM.
BUT WHETHER OTHERS WILL JOIN LINDSEY GRAHAM TO ENSURE THAT
THE RULE OF LAW PREVAILS HERE I THINK SADLY THAT'S STILL AN OPEN
QUESTION. >> AND PAUL BUTLER, WE ARE
SEEING A REAL CHANGE OF TONE THIS WEEK WITH REPUBLICANS IN
THE SENATE. AND IT ALL BEGINS WITH THE
PRESIDENT ATTACKING A FORMER -- A RECENT REPUBLICAN SENATOR.
HE -- ONCE HE ATTACKED JEFF SESSIONS REPUBLICAN SENATORS
FINALLY BEGAN TO FIND THEIR VOICE.
>> YEAH, SO WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP VALUES IN AN ATTORNEY GENERAL IS
NOT SOMEONE COMMITTED TO EQUAL JUSTICE YOU HAD THE RAW OR THE
RULE OF LAW. IF THAT'S WHAT HE VALUED HE
WOULD NEVER HAVE CHOSEN SESSIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SESSIONS IS GOING TO TAKE US BACK TO THE STONE AGE IN TERMS
OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
TRUMP WANTS SOMEBODY WHO WILL OBSTRUCT THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION. HE SAID THAT'S HIS BIG BEEF WITH
SESSIONS, THAT HE IS NOT PLAYING -- HE DIDN'T PLEDGE THAT
LOYALTY. NOW HE WANTS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL
WHO WILL. IF SESSIONS STEPS ASIDE HE GETS
TO NAME AN ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO CAN GET TO THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL. AND IT'S TRUE, LAWRENCE WE ARE
HEARING ARE FROM SOME REPUBLICANING BUT NOT THE PEOPLE
WE NEED TO, THE CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS, RYAN AND McCONNELL.
WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY IS, MR. TRUMP, IF YOU FIRE OR GET RID
OF -- MAKE HIM RESIGN, SESSIONS, YOU WILL BE DRAFTING YOUROUR OW
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. THAT'S OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
APPEAR THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT. SO THE CONCERN IS THAT HE'LL DO
THAT -- TRUMP WILL MAKE SESSIONS LEAVE OFFICE AND GET TO MUELLER
AND THE REPUBLICANS WON'T DO A DARN THING.
>> RON, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT WHAT PAUL JUST SAID IS HE ACTUALLY
USED LEGAL LANGUAGE. ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT,
THESE -- AND YOU HEARD LINDSEY GRAHAM TODAY SAY YOU KNOW IF
PRESIDENT TRUMP DID THAT IT WOULD BE HOLY HELL.
WELL, YOU KNOW THAT'S RELIGIOUS IMAGERY THERE IS NOTHING LEGAL
IN THAT PHRASE. THAT LEAVES ME WONDER WHAG
EXACTLY WITH WOULD YOU DO SENATOR GRAHAM?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. >> WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS
WHAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE AT OUTRAGE AFTER OURNL IS A BIG
FAT NOTHING. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN.
I THINK THAT PAUL IS RAISING AND I AGREE WITH.
I I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT SENATOR GRAHAM SAYS HE WILL
DRAFT A BILL THAT WILL HAVE INSULATION FROM THE REMOVAL OF
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH
REPUBLICANS WILL SUPPORT THAT AND IF THEY HAVE THE VOTES.
IN THE MEANTIME I THINK THE SPECTACLE OF THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL GOING ON FOX TV TO GROFL FOR HIS JOB IS A SCAREY
SPECTACLE. HE THE PRESIDENT CALLED HIM WEAK
APPEAR HE CALLED THE PRESIDENT SFRONG.
WILL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BE COWED INTO THE PROSECUTIONS
AGAINST LEAKERS TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
IN ANY WAY? I THINK THAT'S THE SCAREY THING.
IS TRUMP'S PRESSURE ON SESSIONS HAVING AN AFFECT ON HOW SESSIONS
RUNS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> PAUL YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT IS YOUR IMPRESSION ABOUT
WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD DO TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND OF COURSE WE RECOGNIZE WE HAVE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE IT, AND NOTHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED WHEN YOU WERE
WORKING THERE. >> I WAS SO PROUD TO DO PUBLIC
CORRUPTION PROSECUTION FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS WERE SKEPTICAL.
THEY SAY, OH, IT WAS POLITICAL BUT PROCESS OWE 2 WASN'T AT ALL.
I SERVED UNDER REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS,
ADMINISTRATIONS. AND WE ALWAYS SAID IF WE HAD THE
EVIDENCE WE'D BRING THE CASE. THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T GET
INVOLVED. OFTEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
DIDN'T GET INVOLVED EITHER. IT WAS CAREER DECISIONS.
NOW WE'RE SEEING A POLITICIZATION OR A DESIRE BY
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO POLITICIZE THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE FBI. HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND -- THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES FOR THE REPRESENT HIM.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LOYALTY IS T