>> JOINING ME NOW IS JAY
SEKULOV, A MEMBER OF THE
PRESIDENT'S TEAM.
AMERICANS EXPRESSED
DISAPPOINTMENT.
DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON FROM
WHAT HE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
HERE IS WHAT CHARLES KRAUTHAMMAR
HAD TO SAY, QUOTE, THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION IS ENTERING A NEW
IF AS.
THIS IS NOT HEARSAY, NOT FAKE
NEWS, NOT UNSOURCED LEAKS.
IT MAY NOT BE CRIMINAL BUT IT IS
NOT MERELY STUPID.
IT IS ALSO DEEPLY WRONG, A
FUNDAMENTAL VIOLATION OF ANY
COAT OF CIVIC HONOR.
ARE YOU WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THIS WAS WRONG AND A VIOLATION
OF CIVIC HONOR?
>> I DEAL WITH THE LAW SO THAT'S
WHAT -- I'M THE LAWYER FOR THE
PRESIDENT AND CAMPAIGNS INVOLVE
OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
AND THE SITUATION WITH THE
E-MAIL EXCHANGE THAT WAS
RELEASED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND
WHAT WAS DESCRIBED THERE IS --
LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO,
FOR INSTANCE, UKRAINIANS WITH
THE DNC AND CLINTON CAMPAIGN.
>> THE MOMENT THERE'S AN FBI
INVESTIGATION OR SENATE AND
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
INVESTIGATIONS INTO UKRAINE AND
THE DNC AND THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS
IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON
RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S INTERESTING THERE ISN'T
ONE.
BUT GO AHEAD, JAKE.
>> BECAUSE NOBODY FROM THE
UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT MET WITH
ANYBODY FROM THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN.
MOVING ON FROM THAT, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE LEGALITY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A LAWYER BUT
YOU'RE ALSO A MAN OF FAITH.
>> YEAH.
>> ISN'T IT KIND OF IMPORTANT
WHETHER OR NOT WHAT DONALD TRUMP
JR., MANAFORT AND KUSHNER DID,
ISN'T IT IMPORTANT, WHETHER OR
NOT IT'S LEGAL, WHETHER OR NOT
IT'S WRONG, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
E
ETHICAL?
>> YOU'RE CONFLATING, JAKE,
THREE PERSPECTIVES HERE.
THE LEGALITY.
WAS THE MEET ANDING AND WHAT
TOOK PLACE LEGAL OR NOT?
ALMOST EVERY LEGAL EXPERT SAYS
IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT A
MORAL/ETHICAL ASPECT TO T IT'S
EASY TO DO THAT IN 20/20
HINDSIGHT BUT NOE NOT WHEN
YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
CAMPAIGN.
I'M NOT A CAMPAIGN LAWYER, I
WASN'T A CAMPAIGN LAWYER.
MEETINGS WERE TAKING PLACE, AS
DONALD TRUMP JR. SAID 15, 20
MINUTES APART THIS ONE WENT EVEN
SHORTER.
EVERYBODY LOOKING BACKWARDS AND
SAYING WOULD'VE, SHOULD'VE,
COULD'VE.
BUT TO GO BACK A YEAR LATER AND
SAY THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE
HAPPENED WHEN THE MEETING WAS 20
MINUTES AND A SERIES OF MEETINGS
THAT TOOK PLACE DAYS AND DAYS
FOR MONTHS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S
FAIR TO DONALD TRUMP JR., JARED
KUSHNER OR MANAFO TRRT FOR THAT
MATTER.
REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT,
INDEPENDENT, NATURE OF THE
POLITICS.
>> NOT WITH THE GOVERNMENTS OF
HOSTILE FOREIGN POWERS, JAY.
THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
YOU COULD TALK ABOUT OPPOSITION
RESEARCH ALL YOU WANT.
THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY,
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BILLED AT,
WITH HIGH-LEVEL INTELLIGENCE ON
HILLARY CLINTON.
FOR ALL DON JUNIOR KNEW, THAT
WAS COMING FROM THE FSB,
SUCCESSOR TO THE KGB.
THAT WAS COMING FROM HUMAN
INTELLIGENCE.
HE HAD NO IDEA WHERE IT WAS
COMING FRCHLT NORMAL OPPO IS
LEGALLY OBTAINED.
>> I GO BACK TO THE UKRAINIAN
EXAMPLE.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS
IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING
INVESTIGATED, WHICH RAISES A
QUESTION.
THEY EXCHANGED DOCUMENTS FROM A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
>> PAUL MANAFORTE DID WORK IN
UKRAINE.
PEOPLE IN UKRAINE WANTED THE
UNITED STATES TO KNOW.
>> YES.
>> FROM A LEGAL AND PUBLIC
HEARING.
>> WAIT A MINUTE.
BUT, JAKE, HE WAS RUNNING THE
CAMPAIGN AT THE TIME.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ACTING LIKE
THIS IS SOME KIND OF ONE-OFF
THING THAT NEVER HAPPENS IN
CAMPAIGNS.
YOU JUST GAVE THE EVIDENCE OF
EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE.
>> NO.
NOBODY FROM THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT MET WITH THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN, AGAIN, AS I SAID.
>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.
REPRESENTATIVES AT THE UKRAINIAN
EMBASSY, THE POLITICAL REPORT
WAS CLEAR.
>> GO AHEAD.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE
SUBJECT.
LET'S GO BACK TO RUSSIA.
DONALD TRUMP JR. WAS ASKED IF HE
MET WITH ANYONE ELSE FROM
RUSSIA.
THIS IS HIS ANSWER.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I PROBABLY MET WITH OTHER
PEOPLE FROM RUSSIA.
>> DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
>> NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF A
FORMALIZED MEETING OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT BECAUSE WHY WOULD I?
>> DON JUNIOR SAYING I'VE
PROBABLY MET WITH OTHER PEOPLE
FROM RUSSIA.
WHAT OTHER MEETINGS OR
COMMUNICATIONS WITH RUSSIANS
HAVE NOT BEEN DISCLOSED YET?
>> NONE THAT I KNOW OF.
I REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
DONALD TRUMP JR. SAID NOT IN THE
CONTEXT OF FORMAL MEETINGS, THAT
HE MAY HAVE MET WITH RUSSIAN
PEOPLE.
AS A LOT OF PEOPLE MEET WITH
RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.
>> HE ALSO SAID IN MARCH THERE
WERE NO MEETINGS AT ALL IN THE
AUSPICES OF THE CAMPAIGN.
NOW WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE.
>> I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT THE
OTHER DAY ON THE WEEKDAY
BROADCAST.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I GO BACK TO AND LOOK AT, JAKE,
IN THE CONTEXT OF A MEETING, AND
THE MEETINGS AND SERIES OF
MEETINGS TAKING PLACE DURING THE
CAMPAIGNS, THERE WERE DOZENS OF
MEETINGS EVERY DAY, HUNDREDS OF
MEETINGS EVERY WEEK.
THIS MEETING LASTED, WHAT, 15
MINUTES?
IT WAS SHORT.
NOTHING WAS PRODUCED.
IT NEVER WENT ANY FURTHER.
IT WASN'T EVER DISCUSSED AGAIN.
LET ME SAY ONE THING THAT'S
IMPORTANT HERE.
THE PRESIDENT -- AND THIS HAS
BEEN UNK OUNCONTROVERTED, WAS N
THE MEETING, DID NOT KNOW ABOUT
THE MEETING.
>> WE NOW KNOW THERE WERE AT
LEAST EIGHT PEOPLE IN THAT
MEETING, INCLUDING A
RUSSIAN-AMERICAN LOBBYIST WITH
ALLEGED TIES TO RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE.
TREY GOWDY, NOT EXACTLY A LEADER
OF THE RESISTANCE, CALLING THE
DRIP, DRIP, DRIP ABOUT
INFORMATION OF THIS CONTROVERSY.
WHAT OTHER DETAILS ABOUT THIS
MEETING HAVE NOT BEEN DISCLOSED?
>> WELL, AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY I
REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT.
DONALD TRUMP JR. SAID HE
DISCLOSED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE
MEETING.
BUT I AM ONE OF THE COUNSEL FOR
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, WHO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN
THE MEETING AND NOT AWARE OF THE
MEETING.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, MY ANSWER
STANDS.
THAT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS
NOT ENGAGED IN THIS, WITH ANS
NOT AWARE OF IT.
DONALD TRUMP JR. MADE STATEMENTS
ABOUT -- THAT THIS WAS
EVERYTHING.
HE SAID THAT ON THE AREA, ON
SEAN HANNITTY'S BROADCAST AND,
AGAIN, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
>> THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, WE
LEARNED THIS WEEK, PAID $50,000
TO DONALD TRUMP JR.'S LAWYER.
THEY PAID THIS A DAY AFTER ONE
OF THE CNN REPORTERS WORKING ON
THE STORY CALLED TO SAY WHAT CAN
YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS MEETING?
IS THAT AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, THAT
THE MEETING WITH THE RUSSIAN
LAWYER, THAT HE THOUGHT WAS WITH
THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, WAS
OFFICIAL BUSINESS, THE FACT THAT
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN PAID 50 GRAND
TO TRUMP JUNIOR'S ATTORNEY?
>> I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LAWYERS ON
WHO PAID WHAT ENTITY.
I CERTAINLY DON'T REPRESENT
DONALD TRUMP JR.
IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, NOT AN
UNUSUAL SITUATION WHERE THE
INDIVIDUAL BEING QUESTIONED OR
SUBJECT TO QUESTIONING, DONALD
TRUMP JR., RETAINS COUNSEL,
INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT THAT
INVOLVED AN E-MAIL CAMPAIGN,
WHILE HE WAS DOING WORK FOR THE
CAMPAIGN.
THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL SCENARIO
OR SETUP AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL
DETERMINATION OF WHO IS PAYING
WHAT BILLS TO WHOM.
I THINK THAT'S STILL IN PROCESS.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GIVE
MONEY TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WILL
BE SURPRISED THEY'RE PAYING FOR
LEGAL