>> JOINING ME NOW IS JAY
SEKULOV, A MEMBER OF THE
PRESIDENT'S TEAM.
AMERICANS EXPRESSED
DISAPPOINTMENT.
DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON FROM
WHAT HE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
HERE IS WHAT CHARLES KRAUTHAMMAR
HAD TO SAY, QUOTE, THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION IS ENTERING A NEW
IF AS.
THIS IS NOT HEARSAY, NOT FAKE
NEWS, NOT UNSOURCED LEAKS.
IT MAY NOT BE CRIMINAL BUT IT IS
NOT MERELY STUPID.
IT IS ALSO DEEPLY WRONG, A
FUNDAMENTAL VIOLATION OF ANY
COAT OF CIVIC HONOR.
ARE YOU WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THIS WAS WRONG AND A VIOLATION
OF CIVIC HONOR?
>> I DEAL WITH THE LAW SO THAT'S
WHAT -- I'M THE LAWYER FOR THE
PRESIDENT AND CAMPAIGNS INVOLVE
OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
AND THE SITUATION WITH THE
E-MAIL EXCHANGE THAT WAS
RELEASED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND
WHAT WAS DESCRIBED THERE IS --
LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO,
FOR INSTANCE, UKRAINIANS WITH
THE DNC AND CLINTON CAMPAIGN.
>> THE MOMENT THERE'S AN FBI
INVESTIGATION OR SENATE AND
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
INVESTIGATIONS INTO UKRAINE AND
THE DNC AND THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS
IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON
RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S INTERESTING THERE ISN'T
ONE.
BUT GO AHEAD, JAKE.
>> BECAUSE NOBODY FROM THE
UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT MET WITH
ANYBODY FROM THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN.
MOVING ON FROM THAT, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE LEGALITY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A LAWYER BUT
YOU'RE ALSO A MAN OF FAITH.
>> YEAH.
>> ISN'T IT KIND OF IMPORTANT
WHETHER OR NOT WHAT DONALD TRUMP
JR., MANAFORT AND KUSHNER DID,
ISN'T IT IMPORTANT, WHETHER OR
NOT IT'S LEGAL, WHETHER OR NOT
IT'S WRONG, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
E
ETHICAL?
>> YOU'RE CONFLATING, JAKE,
THREE PERSPECTIVES HERE.
THE LEGALITY.
WAS THE MEET ANDING AND WHAT
TOOK PLACE LEGAL OR NOT?
ALMOST EVERY LEGAL EXPERT SAYS
IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT A
MORAL/ETHICAL ASPECT TO T IT'S
EASY TO DO THAT IN 20/20
HINDSIGHT BUT NOE NOT WHEN
YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
CAMPAIGN.
I'M NOT A CAMPAIGN LAWYER, I
WASN'T A CAMPAIGN LAWYER.
MEETINGS WERE TAKING PLACE, AS
DONALD TRUMP JR. SAID 15, 20
MINUTES APART THIS ONE WENT EVEN
SHORTER.
EVERYBODY LOOKING BACKWARDS AND
SAYING WOULD'VE, SHOULD'VE,
COULD'VE.
BUT TO GO BACK A YEAR LATER AND
SAY THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE
HAPPENED WHEN THE MEETING WAS 20
MINUTES AND A SERIES OF MEETINGS
THAT TOOK PLACE DAYS AND DAYS
FOR MONTHS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S
FAIR TO DONALD TRUMP JR., JARED
KUSHNER OR MANAFO TRRT FOR THAT
MATTER.
REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT,
INDEPENDENT, NATURE OF THE
POLITICS.
>> NOT WITH THE GOVERNMENTS OF
HOSTILE FOREIGN POWERS, JAY.
THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
YOU COULD TALK ABOUT OPPOSITION
RESEARCH ALL YOU WANT.
THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY,
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BILLED AT,
WITH HIGH-LEVEL INTELLIGENCE ON
HILLARY CLINTON.
FOR ALL DON JUNIOR KNEW, THAT
WAS COMING FROM THE FSB,
SUCCESSOR TO THE KGB.
THAT WAS COMING FROM HUMAN
INTELLIGENCE.
HE HAD NO IDEA WHERE IT WAS
COMING FRCHLT NORMAL OPPO IS
LEGALLY OBTAINED.
>> I GO BACK TO THE UKRAINIAN
EXAMPLE.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS
IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING
INVESTIGATED, WHICH RAISES A
QUESTION.
THEY EXCHANGED DOCUMENTS FROM A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
>> PAUL MANAFORTE DID WORK IN
UKRAINE.
PEOPLE IN UKRAINE WANTED THE
UNITED STATES TO KNOW.
>> YES.
>> FROM A LEGAL AND PUBLIC
HEARING.
>> WAIT A MINUTE.
BUT, JAKE, HE WAS RUNNING THE
CAMPAIGN AT THE TIME.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ACTING LIKE
THIS IS SOME KIND OF ONE-OFF
THING THAT NEVER HAPPENS IN
CAMPAIGNS.
YOU JUST GAVE THE EVIDENCE OF
EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE.
>> NO.
NOBODY FROM THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT MET WITH THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN, AGAIN, AS I SAID.
>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.
REPRESENTATIVES AT