PICTURING A PURPORTED OFFER FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO
DISCUSS INFORMATION THAT COULD HELP THEM WIN THE 2016 ELECTION.
THE SCRUTINY COMES -- CONTINUES FOR THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING IN
WHICH DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR GATHERED TOP CAMPAIGN AIDS JARED
KUSHNER AND PAUL MANAFORT AFTER BEING PROMISED INFORMATION THAT
WOULD INCRIMINATE HILLARY CLINTON.
ASKED IF HE WISHES HIS SON HAD NOT TAKEN THE MEETING THE
PRESIDENT SAID I THINK MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE HELD THAT
MEETING. WHETHER HE WISHED HE KNEW, THE
PRESIDENT SAID IT WAS A WILD TIME, AND WE WOULD MEET WITH
MANY PEOPLE. IT WAS A 20-MINUTE MEETING, FROM
WHAT I'M HEARING. MANY PEOPLE AND MANY POLITICAL
PROS SAID EVERYBODY WOULD DO THAT.
MANY PEOPLE, AND MANY POLITICAL PROS SAID EVERYBODY WOULD DO
THAT IF YOU GOT A CALL AND SAID LISTEN, I HAVE INFORMATION ON
HILLARY CLINTON OR THE DNC OR WHATEVER IT WAS, THEY SAID, MOST
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT MEETING, I THINK.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MEETING
UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. THIS WEEK'S NEW ISSUE OF "TIME"
IS ENTITLED DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR RED HANDED.
THE RUSSIA SANDAL HITS HOME. WE ARE JOINED BY MICHAEL SHARER
AND JEREMY BASH. I'M JUST -- I ACTUALLY JUST WANT
TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT TO I GUESS THE CLAIM THAT JARED
KUSHNER HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE MEETING WAS ABOUT BECAUSE HE
DIDN'T READ FURTHER DOUBT ON THE E-MAILE-MAIL.
IS IT POSSIBLE WHEN THE SUBJECT LINE SAID WHAT IT WAS ABOUT?
>> WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING
INVESTIGATORS WILL ASK HIM. THEY'LL SHOW HIM THE E-MAIL AND
SAID DO YOU RECALL THIS? DID YOU SEE THIS?
WHY DID YOU GO TO THIS MEETING? IT'S STRANGE THAT HE DIDN'T
KNOW. THIS IS A MEETING SET UP BY HIS
BROTHER-IN-LAW WITH THE CAMPAIGN NARM ENCREDULITY EXPRESSING
SUPPORT? I WILL GO ONLY A LAMB AND SAY HE
KNEW. >> AS WE SAID YESTERDAY.
>> VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> WE HAD A GUEST THAT POINTED
OUT, THERE WAS A PHONE CALL ALSO, A FOLLOW-UP PHONE NUMBER
REPORTED MEETING TOOK PLACE. AND THIS CAMPAIGN BROUGHT
TOGETHER THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND DON JR.
LIED A COUPLE DAYS AGO SAYING FEBRUARY E NOBODY KNEW WHAT THE
MEETING WAS ABOUT. HE FORWARDED THE E-MAIL.
>> IN JULY OF THAT YEAR, DONE JR. WAS ON CNN SAYING IT WAS
RIDICULOUS AND A LIE THAT RUSSIA WAS HELPING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ALREADY TAKEN THE MEETING AT THAT POINT.
I THINK FOR JARED KUSHNER, THE MORE PERTINENT QUESTION MAY BE
WHEN DID HE REMEMBER THIS MEETING WITH REGARDS TO HIS
SECURITY CLEARANCE APPLICATION? THE STORY THAT HIS LAWYER HAS
TOLD IS THAT HE IN HASTE SUBMITTED HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE
INITIALLY LEFT OFF MOST IF NOT ALL OF HIS CONTACTS WHEN HE
REALIZED HE MADE THAT MISTAKE, HE CORRECTED IT.
THERE IS A LEVEL OF INTENT THAT MATTERS THERE.
IF IT'S -- >> HE CORRECTED IT BEFORE.
>> HE CORRECTED IT BEFORE THIS STORY CAME OUT.
>> AND HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE REVISED HIS SECURITY?
>> WE DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE STATEMENT FROM HIS
ATTORNEY SUGGESTS IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN ONCE.
>> RIGHT. >> AND IT SEEMS TO ME AT LEAST
FROM THE REPORTING IT SEEMS TO ME HE'S DONE IT IN A WAY.
HE REMEMBERED THE AMBASSADOR AND THEN THE BANKER AND NOW IT SEEMS
THAT -- >> AND WHAT HIS PEOPLE HAVE SAID
IS THAT UNTIL THIS E-MAIL WAS RESURFACED MORE RECENTLY, HE HAD
FORGOTTEN ENTIRELY ABOUT THIS MEETING.
>> THAT THE MEETING HAD JUST SLIPPED HIS MIND.
>> UH-HUH, GOOD LUCK TELLING THAT TO BOB MUELLER, WITH
SOMEBODY THAT SAYS WE'RE COMING AND WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU WHEN
THE ELECTION. >> BANKER, AMBASSADOR, A LAWYER,
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN RUSSIA. >> TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR COVER
STORY SAYS ABOUT DONE JR. AND HIS PLACE I PLACEMENT IN ALL
THIS NOW. >> I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING
PART OF THIS IS THAT TRUMP HAS ALWAYS TREATED FAMILY
DIFFERENTLY. IN THIS WHITE HOUSE, FAMILY
CONTINUES TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
YOU SAW THE BREAKDOWN THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK BETWEEN THE
LEGAL TEAM, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE THING THAT BROUGHT
SOME PROFESSIONALISM TO THE WAY THE PRESIDENT WAS RESPONDING TO
THIS CRISIS. AND TRUMP.
AND THE FAMILY MEMBERS AROUND HIM.
I THINK IT'S BEEN PROVEN AGAIN THAT WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY,
THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN HAVE A STRUCTURE AROUND THE PRESIDENT
THAT FUNCTIONS LIKE A CONVENTIONAL WHOURKS LIKE A
NORMAL STRUCTURE, THAT FUNCTIONS LIKE A NORMAL LEGAL RESPONSE
OPERATION SORT OF BREAKS DOWN. BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WILL
ALWAYS CHOOSE TO AND MAYBE NOT WILL, ALWAYS HAS CONSISTENTLY
CHOSEN TO GO ON FULL OFFENSE TO DENY AS MUCH AS HE CAN AND
THAT'S THE WAY HE HANDLES THESE THINGS.
>> I'M JUST LOOKING AT BACKING UP ON THIS MEETING AND LOOKING
AT THE INITIAL STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT THAT WAS CRAFTED
COLLECTIVELY APPARENTLY, THAT THIS MEETING WAS ABOUT SOMETHING
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND THEN THAT UNRAVELLED AND
TURNS OUT TO BE WHAT SOME MIGHT CALL A LIE.
>> ON TO WHAT. >> WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO COMPEL
THE PRESIDENT, HIS ADVISERS, TO REALLY PROVIDE SOME ANSWERS ON
CONNECTIONS WITH RUSSIA? WHAT MORE DOES ONE NEED TO SEE
HAPPEN TO PROMPT REPUBLICANS MAYBE TO ASK FOR A SUBPOENA?
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS WHETHER OR NOT MANAFORT
FOR FLYNN WHO ARE FOUGHT BLOOD TO YOUR POINT AND NOT FAMILY
ACTUALLY TURN AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY TALK TO SOME LESSER CHARGE
OR FAILURE TO DISCLOSE CHARGE. IN FLYNN'S CASE, HE ACTUALLY IS
ACCUSED OF LYING TO THE FBI ON JANUARY 24th IN HIS INTERVIEW,
MANAFORT HAS OTHER ISSUES, WHETHER THEY TURN AND TESTIFY
AGAINST THE FAMILY. THEY'VE NEVER LIKED THE FAMILY.
IN SOME WAY THE FAMILY TOOK CONTROL OF THE CAMPAIGN AND
PUSHED OTHERS OUT. SO THERE HAVE BEEN THESE
RIVALRIES. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS
PART, IT WAS A PART OF A ISSUE AND RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT EFFORT TO
SUPPORT YOUR FATHER'S CAMPAIGN, WHAT WERE THE OTHER PARTS?
AND CLEARLY, IF YOU ARE KUSHNER OR MANAT FORT OR DONE JR., THEY
DIDN'T SEEM TO BE SURPRISED, THERE WERE ACTS OF INFLUENCE,
THERE WAS CYBER HACKING, POTENTIALLY THESE BOTs YOU
DESCRIBED EARLIER AND THESE EFFORTS TO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP
DIRECTLY BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
>> I THINK ANOTHER IMPORTANT WORD THE PRESIDENT KEPT CALLING
HIS SON TRANSPARENT, HE KEPT PRAISING DONE JR. FOR BEING
TRANCE PARENT. WHAT THIS EPISODE PROVED THEY
ARE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT. THEY KNEW THE E-MAILS EXISTED.
THEY KNEW THEY WERE OMITTING INFORMATION.
THE ONLY REASON THEY WOULD DO THAT RATIONALLY IS THEY THOUGHT
THE E-MAIL WOULD NEVER COME OUT OR AT SUCH A FUTURE DATE THAT
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS AND IT WOULDN'T
MATTER ANYMORE. THEY CHOSE WHEN THE QUESTION WAS
ASKED NOT TO GIVE THE FULL INFORMATION UNTIL THEY WERE
FORCED LATER. >> IT FEELS LIKE IT'S
UNRAVELING. IT FEELS LIKE THINGS ARE GETTING
HOT, HOTTER AND THEY'RE DIGGING THEMSELVES DEEPER.
>> WELL, THIS, I THINK THE REASON WHY THIS STORY WAS SO
SIGNIFICANT IS THIS WAS THE FIRST DIRECT LINK BETWEEN THE
SENIOR LEVELS OF THE CAMPAIGN AND A RUSSIAN EFFORTS TO MEDDLE
IN THE ELECTIONS. WE FEW FEW ABOUT THE RUSSIAN
ELECTION TO MEDDLE. WE HAD NOT SEEN THAT UNTIL THE
CAMPAIGN. >> AND THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF
INTENT FOR RUSSIA TO COME IN. THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO COME
IN AND INFLUENCE