THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER, IS CURRENTLY IN PREVIEWS AND
OFFICIALLY OPENS ON ALL SEW. WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. FOR PUTTING ME ON.
THEY KNEW NOT ME TO COME ON EARLY. RLY.
>> YOU WERE WORKING ON THE BODY CLOCK ISSUE WITH HIS YOUR
BROADWAY DEBUT. >> WE JUST HAD THE FIRST
WEEKEND. SO IT'S -- IT'S EIGHT SHOWS A
WEEK. >> MY GOODNESS.
>> THAT'S A LOT. >> IT'S QUITE A WORKOUT FOR
SOMEONE WHOSE NORMAL WORKOUT IS, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP THE NEXT
BAG OF CHIPS. >> OH, THAT'S GOOD.
WHAT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO SEE WHEN THEY COME TO SURRENDER"?
>> IT'S A PIECE OF THEATER THAT I'VE WRITTEN.
IT IS A ONE-MAN SHOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME SURPRISES.
AND SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF STORIES TO TELL, A NUMBER OF
WAYS TO -- I TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION HOW THE HECK DID THIS
HAPPEN. AND HOW DO WE PREVENT IT FROM
HAPPENING AGAIN IN WAYS THAT NORMALLY AREN'T BEING DISCUSSED
ON TELEVISION. >> YOU WERE WARNING DEMOCRATS
BEFORE THAT DONALD TRUMP COULD WIN THIS ELECTION.
>> YEAH, NO, I WENT FURTHER. >> YOU SAID HE WAS GOING TO WIN
IT. >> LAST SUMMER.
BUT I WAS IN MICHIGAN, THOUGH. >> HOW DO YOU WARN AGAINST
SOMETHING THAT YOU SAW COMING? >> WELL, OBVIOUSLY I NEED BETTER
COMMUNICATION SKILLS BECAUSE I DIDN'T CONDUCT SEED IN
CONVINCING EITHER FELLOW LIBERALS OR DEMOCRATS THAT THE
TSUNAMI WAS COMING. AND I COULD NOT CONVINCE PEOPLE
CONNECTED TO THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN TO PLEASE COME TO
MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN. AND NOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE -- I
HAVE A THING IN MY SHOW WHERE THERE'S LIKE A 12-STEP PROGRAM
THAT DEMOCRATS NEED TO BE IN RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THIS
DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'VE WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN
SIX OF THE LAST SEVEN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. AND YET WE SIT HERE THIS MORNING
WITH NO POWER, NOTHING. THEY HAVE EVERYTHING.
DEMOCRATS CONTROL SIX OF THE 50 STATE CAPITOLS.
SIX. >> SO TELL ME, WHAT HAPPENED TO
THE DEMOCRAT -- WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION BUT
AS WE SAY ALL THE TIME HERE, DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST A THOUSAND
STATE SEATS, GOVERNORSHIPS. WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY? HOW DID THEY GET DISCONNECTED?
AND DO YOU SEE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON FROM DEMOCRATS
THAT WILL REVERSE THAT TREND? >> A BETTER DEAL?
>> WELL, PART OF THIS IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS AREN'T REALLY
DISCONNECTED BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON GOT THE MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS TO VOTE FOR HER. THERE WERE ANOTHER 7.5 MILLION
THAT VOTED GREEN OR LIBERTARIAN, SO 10.5 MILLION AMERICANS WHO
SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.
>> IN THAT RACE, RIGHT. >> YES.
BUT I GUESS THE OTHER OTHER SID THERE WAS THIS THING CALLED THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGING THERE IN TERMS
OF -- YOU KNOW, HE SEEMS TO HOLD HIS SUPPORT NO MATTER, EXCUSE
ME, WHAT HE DOES. >> WHY IS THAT?
WHY ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN,
PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, STILL SUPPORTING PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN
CLEARLY SIX MONTHS IN HE'S OVERMATCHED FOR THE JOB?
>> BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE YET TO OFFER WHAT
THE ALTERNATIVE IS. AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, EVEN
PEOPLE -- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE HOUSE BACK AND IT'S LIKE
REALLY? WHERE ARE ALL THOSE GREAT
CANDIDATES FOR NEXT YEAR? I THINK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY
PEOPLE WHO WATCH THIS SHOW, WHO ARE WIRED INTO POLITICS AND
WHAT'S GOING ON, DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS NEED TO THINK ABOUT
RUNNING NEXT YEAR OR GET PEOPLE IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTSER
YOUR STATE REP, STATE SENATE DISTRICTS TO RUN.
FIND THE BELOVED AMERICAN IN YOUR DISTRICT AND RUN THAT
PERSON WHO CAN WIN. AND I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU
BEFORE. WE HAVE TO START RUNNING PEOPLE
WHO CAN WIN AND PEOPLE WHO ARE BELOVED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND WHO UNDERSTAND HOW TO TALK, YOU KNOW, TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE. AND THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON
HILLARY CLINTON. IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT JUST HER.
IT'S SIX OUT OF LAST SEVEN THAT WE'VE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS LIBERAL ON THE ISSUES.
RIGHT? THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, WOMEN
THE SAME AGE AS MEN, ARE PRO-CHOICE, THEY BELIEVE THAT
THERE'S CLIMATE CHANGE, GO DOWN THE WHOLE LIST.
AMERICANS -- THEY ALMOST CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS BUT ON THE
ISSUES THEY'RE LIBERAL. WHY DO WE HOLD NO POWER?
>> SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT NEXT, BUT A BETTER DEAL IS THEIR
SLOGAN. YOU WEREN'T SURE --
>> I HEARD THAT. >> THAT'S THEIR SLOGAN.
OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T REALLY CONNECT.
>> THREE WORDS, DOWN TO THREE WORD.
LOCK HER UP. CROOKED HILLARY.
I GUESS THAT'S TWO. >> A BETTER DEAL.
BUT RUN CANDIDATES WHO CAN WIN, THEY TRIED TO RUN A CANDIDATE IN
GEORGIA. YOU CAN'T RUN A CANDIDATE.
A CANDIDATE NEEDS TO STEP UP. IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN HIM OR
HER. >> YES.
>> IT NEEDS TO BE THE PERSON THAT IS THE LEADER THAT STEPS UP
AND PEOPLE FOLLOW. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY'RE
TRYING TO CREATE CONSTRUCTS -- >> CORRECT.
>> -- INSTEAD OF DISCOVERING TALENT.
>> SO TRUE. THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES TO SHOW
THAT WHEN DEMOCRATS TRY TO SOUND LIKE REPUBLICANS LOCALLY
ESPECIALLY, MOVE TO THE MIDDLE OR THE RIGHT, THEY LOSE.
WHEN THEY RUN AS DEPTHS AND RUN ON THE LIBERAL ISSUES THAT THE
MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AGREE WITH, THEY WIN.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT DEMOCRATS, THEY FELT THE ONLY
WAY WE CAN WIN, WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THOSE TRUMP VOTERS OR
WHATEVER. WHO WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO ARE 8
MILLION OBAMA VOTERS THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP.
WE CAN WIN SOME OF THOUGH BA BA. I COME FROM A STATE WHERE
HILLARY LOST BY TWO VOTES PER PRECINCT.
THAT'S ALL SHE LOST BY, 10,000 VOTES.
WE CAN DO THIS. WE CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE BACK.
BUT IT HAS TO BE A REAL CONCERTED EFFORT.
AND PEOPLE CANNOT IN MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN BE WAITING AROUND
FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN WASHINGTON TO -- THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO RIDE IN ON THE WHITE HORSE AND SAY --
>> YEAH. NICK?
>> SO, OKAY, YOU SAID EARLIER THIS IS A LEFT COUNTRY, SO IF
AMERICA IS A PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY, HOW ARE DEMOCRATS SHUT
OUT AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT?
THEY CONTROL NOTHING AS YOU SAID.
IT'S NOT RALLY POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF BASIC RETAIL POLITICS IF THE
COUNTRY AGREES WITH YOU, YOU CAN'T GET ELECTED.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE? >> EXACTLY.
AGAIN, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO RUNNING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
CALIFORNIA IS THE EXPERIMENT RIGHT NOW, SO THERE'S A STATE
WHERE DEMOCRATS CONTROL BOTH HOUSES.
THE GOVERNOR'S SEAT. AND THINGS ARE GETTING DONE.
GOOD THINGS ARE GETTING DONE. AND THAT'S ONLY HAPPENING IN SIX
STATES. SO THIS IS -- AS A REAL
EFFORT -- ANYBODY WATCHING THIS --
>> WHAT' WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT, MICHAEL?
WHY ARE DEMOCRATS LOSE SO BADLY EVERYWHERE?
>> BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE RUNNING.
THAT'S IT. PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SHOW WHO
ARE DEMOCRATS OR WHO LEAN THAT WAY OR WHATEVER, NEED TO THINK
ABOUT RUNNING NEXT YEAR. EVEN FOR LOCAL OFFICES, SCHOOL
BOARD, THIS IS HOW THE RIGHT DID THIS.
THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY. I HAVE SUCH, AS I SAID TO YOU
BEFORE, RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THEY
GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE RUNNING LOCALLY AND THEN THEY HAVE THE
COURAGE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS TO STICK TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN
AND THEY ARE UP AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING LAST WEEK STILL TRYING
TO DO -- PASS SOMETHING THAT ONLY 17% OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WERE IN SUPPORT OF. YOU'VE GOT TO ADMIRE THE
TENACITY OF THAT. >> JOSH, WHAT DO THE DEMOCRATS
DO? >> WELL, WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE TO
DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER.
I THINK WHAT MICHAEL IS ILLUSTRATING THAT SO MUCH OF
WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO TRY TO ADVANCE THIS COUNTRY IS
GENERALLY SUPPORTED, NOT BY EVERYBODY, AND NOT CERTAINLY ON
EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, BUT IN TERMS OF FIGHTING FOR VALUES,
MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS HEALTH CARE, RECOGNIZING THE UNITED
STATES HAS TO PLAY A LEADERSHIP ROLE AND RESPOND TO A BUNCH OF
CHALLENGES INCLUDING CLIMATE CHANGE, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A
FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAT ISN'T RIGGED AGAINST PEOPLE.
THESE ARE KIND OF VALUES UNIFYING FOR DEMOCRATS.
WHAT'S CONFOUNDING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE FOR TRUMP,
THE DIFFERENCE FOR HIS SUCCESS AN THE DIFFERENCE IN FLIPPING
SOME OF THEE COUNTIES WHO HAVE GONE FOR TRUMP IS THESE ARE THE
PEOPLE MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THESE ISSUES.
>> THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF -- DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS ASKED THE
QUESTION, WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS?
>> SO WE GO BACK TO REMARKABLE VIDEO THAT YOU PRODUCED WHERE
YOU EXPLICATE WHY TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN TO VOTERS.
AND YOU BEGIN, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN,
THEY'RE NOT RACIST, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, AND YOU GO THROUGH THAT.
AS A MICHIGAN GUY, WHO COMES TO NEW YORK, WHO'S ON THE WEST
COAST, DEMOCRATS, DO THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH -- DO THEY HAVE AN
ELITISM PROBLEM, A CULTURAL CONDESCENSION PROBLEM THAT IS
DEMONIZING THESE VOTER IN STATES LIKE MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN FROM
HEARING THEM ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES?
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU COME TO MANHATTAN BETWEEN A
MANHATTAN PROGRESSIVE AND A MICHIGAN PROGRESSIVE?
>> FUNNY, I WAS THINKING THAT THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE WHEN I
LIVED BETWEEN THESE TWO PLACES BACK AND FORTH, WHEN I FIRST
CAME HERE, THIS WAS A STATE THAT HAD A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, A
REPUBLICAN MAYOR, WAS THE HOME OF RUSH LIMBAUGH, HIS RADIO SHOW
CAME OUT OF WABC, RIGHT? FOR NEW YORK BEING SUCH A
LIBERAL PLACE, I COME FROM A PLACE THAT GAVE US THE MIDDLE
CLASS, WHERE UNIONS AND OTHER THINGS HAPPENED TO RAISE THE
STANDARD OF LIVING FOR EVERYONE. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE
AND STRUGGLING, BUT THEY'VE BEEN LEFT BEHIND.
AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THEY DON'T LOVE DONALD TRUMP.
THERE'S NO -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE LOVED REAGAN OR
WHATEVER, THEY DON'T LOVE TRUMP. THEY'RE ANGRY.
TRUMP WAS THEIR MOLOTOV COCKTAIL TO THROW INTO A SYSTEM THAT HAD
NOT BEEN THERE FOR THEM. WE NEED CANDIDATES THAT WILL BE
THERE FOR THEM. >> RUTH.
>> RUTH MARTINS. >> I TO TOTALLY AGREE, MICHAEL,
WITH YOUR DIAGNOSIS THAT DEMOCRATS NEED TO RUN THE RIGHT
PEOPLE, BUT I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING, I WANT TO PUSH YOU
A LITTLE BIT, ON WHETHER THE BEST PEOPLE, THE RIGHT PEOPLE
ARE KIND OF COMING AT THEM FROM THE LEFT WHEN DEMOCRATS RETOOK
THE HOUSE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF RAHM EMANUEL.
HE RAN PEOPLE WHO WERE THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THOSE DISTRICTS,
WHICH WERE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE AND THE KINDS OF
CANDIDATES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WHY IS HE WRONG AND YOU'RE
RIGHT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2006.
>> MM-HMM.
>> WE'RE TAUB ABOUT 2018 NOW. EVERY YEAR THERE'S 3 MILLION
MORE 18-YEAR-OLDS THAT BECOME ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
SO WE'RE A MUCH YOUNGER COUNTRY NOW, AND THE YOUTH OF THIS
COUNTRY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE OLD WAYS, THEY WANTED BERNIE
SANDERS, THE LAST POLL I JUST SAW MORE OF THEM SUPPORT
SOCIALISM THAN CAPITALISM. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
GOING TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE. AND I WOULD REACH OUT TO A
COALITION OF YOUNG PEOPLE, WOMEN, AND PEOPLE OF OF COLOR A
NOT BE AFRAID TO BE REAL LIBERALS, REAL DEMOCRATS.
YES, IN SOME OF THESE PURPLE DISTRICTS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RUN
PEOPLE THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE.
BUT YOU SHOULDN'T LOSE MICHIGAN AND YOU SHOULDN'T LOSE WISCONSIN
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO. >> MICHAEL MOORE, IT'S ALWAYS
GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
TAKE A LOOK RIGHT THERE. "THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER" IN
PREVIEWS ON BROADWAY. GREAT TO HAVE YOU.