RUSSIAN BUSINESS LAWYER WHO
PROMISED TO DISH DIRT ON HILLARY
CLINTON.
THE VICE CHAIR OF THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, OF
COURSE, LEADING THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION.
SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR JOINING
US, AS ALWAYS.
>> THANK YOU, JAKE.
>> LET'S BEGIN WITH DONALD TRUMP
JR.'S MEETING WITH THAT RUSSIAN
LAWYER.
YOU HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
LAWYER, JAY SEKULOW A MOMENT
AGO, MAINTAINING THERE WAS
NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT THE
MEETING.
I KNOW SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT
MUELLER IS OVERSEEING THE
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
>> WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED AT THE MEETING.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT DONALD
TRUMP JR. DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH
A VARIETY OF TIMES.
AT FIRST HE SAID THIS MEETING
WAS ONLY ABOUT RUSSIA.
IMMIGRATION POLICIES AND
ADOPTIONS.
WE KNOW THIS WAS A MEETING WAS
SPECIFICALLY, IN BLACK AND
WHITE, ABOUT THE RUSSIAN'S
EFFORT TO DISCREDIT CLINT SBEN
HELP TRUMP.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD TAKE
ANYBODY IN THIS ADMINISTRATION
AT THEIR WORD.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO
NAIL DOWN THE TRUTH.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN ANY EVIDENCE
THAT ANY CRIME WAS COMMITTED?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY
EVIDENCE WE'VE SEEN.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONVENIENT
PATTERN WHERE ALL THE SENIOR
OFFICIALS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
FORGET ABOUT MEETINGS WITH
RUSSIANS AND DON'T PUT IT ON
THEIR FORMS UNTIL INFORMATION
COMES OUT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO
AMEND.
MR. KUSHNER WE NOT HAVE ONE, OR
TWO, BUT THREE EXAMPLES WHERE HE
HAS HAD TO GO BACK AND AMEND HIS
DISCLOSURE FORMS.
I THINK IF I HAD A MEETING THAT
INVOLVED RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
EFFORTS TO TRY TO HELP CANDIDATE
TRUMP AND HURT CLINTON THAT I
WOULD REMEMBER THAT.
AND FRANKLY IT'S UNBELIEVABLE
THAT NEITHER THE SON NOR
SON-IN-LAW EVER SHARED THAT
INFORMATION WITH THEIR DAD, THE
CAND
CANDIDATE.
>> DO YOU THINK KUSHNER'S
SECURITY CLEARANCE SHOULD BE
SUSPENDED?
>> I'M GIVING EVERYONE THE
BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT UNTIL WE
GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM AND
INTERVIEW THEM.
IT'S VERY BOTHERSOME THAT JARED
KUSHNER HAS FORGOTTEN NOT ONCE,
NOT TWICE BUT THREE TIMES TO PUT
DOWN THIS INFORMATION.
WE SEE THIS PATTERN.
GENERAL FLYNN FAILED TO PUT DOWN
INFORMATION, HE GOT FIRED.
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD TO RECUSE
HIMSELF.
EXAMPLES WERE PUT OUT ABOUT THE
FIRING OF JIM COMEY WAS ABOUT.
THEN THE PRESIDENT SAID HE FIRED
JIM COMEY BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIA
THING.
LEVEL OF CREDIBILITY FROM THE
SENIOR LEVELS REALLY IS SUSPECT
AND I THINK SUSPECT REGARDLESS
OF WHICH POLITICAL PARTY YOU
BELONG TO.
>> THAT JUNE 2016 MEETING WITH
THE RUSSIAN LAWYER INCLUDED
EIGHT PEOPLE.
WILL YOUR COMMITTEE SEEK TO CALL
ALL EIGHT OF THEM TO TESTIFY?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL
OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WHETHER WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE
RUSSIAN NATIONALS TO COME OVER
AND TESTIFY IS AN OPEN QUESTION.
I SURE AS HECK WANT TO TALK TO
ALL OF THEM.
>> DO YOU THINK TRUMP JUNIOR AND
KUSHNER WILL TESTIFY IN OPEN
SESSION SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR
THEM?
>> THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE
ANXIOUS TO WORK WITH THE
COMMITTEE.
AGAIN I'M GOING TO TAKE THEM AT
THEIR WORD.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHETHER THEY'LL BE WILLING TO
TESTIFY IN OPEN HEARING OR
CLOSED HEARING.
END OF THE DAY WE'VE GOT TO GET
THE INFORMATION AND THEN WE HAVE
TO SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DESERVES TO
KNOW HOW THE RUSSIANS ATTACKED
OUR MOST BASIC DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS, HOW THEY INTERFERED NOT
JUST IN OUR COUNTRY BUT IN
FRANCE.
THEY'RE GOING TO INTERFERE IN
GERMANY AND WHAT BOTHER MEES,
THEY GOT A GREAT RETURN ON
INVESTMENT.
ADD UP ALL THE MONEY ON THESE
EFFORTS TO DISRUPT ELECTIONS,
DOUBLE IT AND YOU'RE STILL
TALKING LESS THAN 5% OF A COST
OF THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.
RUSSIANS HAVE FOUND IN CYBER WAR
FARE A VERY GOOD RATE OF RETURN
ON WHAT IS, FRANKLY, A IN TERMS
OF MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING.
>> ANY SORT OF TIMELINE ON WHEN
WE'LL HAVE TESTIMONY FROM
KUSHNER AND DONALD TRUMP JR.?
>> THE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE
GET DOCUMENTS FROM THESE
INDIVIDUALS FIRST SO WE CAN ASK
THEM THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
CLEARLY IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE
INFORMATION, WHAT WE'LL SEE AND
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THESE
INDIV
INDIVIDUALS DON'T SEEM TO
DISCLOSE EVERYTHING OR TELL THE
TRUTH UNTIL EVIDENCE IS PUT IN
FRONT OF THEM.
>> THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON
THIS PROGRAM ON JUNE 4th, YOU
SAID IT APPEARED THAT RUSSIAN
PAID INTERNET TROLLS, TYPE OF
WEB ROBOT THAT PERFORMS,
AUTOMATICALLY PUT FORWARD
MISINFORMATION, FALSE STORIES
ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON IN WAYS
THAT TARGETED, YOU SAID, CERTAIN
STATES, CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS AND
PRECINCTS.
AT THE TIME YOU SAID, QUOTE, WE
DON'T HAVE FOOLPROOF OF THIS.
HERE WE ARE, INVESTIGATING SIX
WEEKS LATER.
HAVE YOU UNCOVERED ANY EVIDENCE
ON THIS FRONT?
>> WE'VE GOT MORE INVESTIGATION
TO LOOK INTO.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO LOOK INTO
THE ACTIVITYIES OF THE TRUMP
DIGITAL CAMPAIGN.
FACEBOOK, WHICH BASICALLY DENIED
ANY RESPONSIBILITY AROUND OUR
ELECTIONS BY THE TIME THE FRENCH
ELECTIONS TOOK PLACE THIS
SPRING, THEY ACTUALLY TOOK DOWN
30,000 FAKE SITES.
WE KNOW IT'S BEEN ESTIMATED THAT
8% OF ALL TWITTER ACCOUNTS ARE
FAKE.
SO THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE
THESE SEARCH ENGINES IS REAL.
IT'S OUT THERE.
WE NEED INFORMATION FROM THE
COMPANIES AS WELL AS THE
ACTIVITIES OF SOME OF THE TRUMP
DIGITAL CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO WANT PEOPLE
FROM CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA, THE
PERSON WHO LED THE TRUMP DIGITAL
EFFORT AND FACEBOOK EXECUTIVES
TO TESTIFY?
>> I SURE WANT TO GET TO ALL
THESE QUESTIONS.
NOT TO TRY TO RELITIGATE 2016,
BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE READY IN
2018.
WE HEARD THAT THE RUSSIANS WILL
BE BACK.
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WON'T
ACKNOWLEDGE THIS ATTACK, WE
DON'T HAVE A WHOLE GOVERNMENT
RESPONSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, 21 STATES THE
RUSSIANS ATTEMPTED TO HACK INTO
THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
WE HEAR FROM SECRETARIES OF
STATE THAT THEY'VE NOT BEEN
NOTIFIED BY DHS.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES THE
COUNTRY SAFER BY NOT NOTIFYING
THE STATES THAT WERE ATTACKED
AND NOT BEING PREPARED FOR 2018.
>> HORRIBLE APPROVAL RATINGS FOR
DONALD TRUMP BUT ALSO 62% OF THE
PEOPLE POLLED THINK THAT THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY MAINLY STANDS
FOR OPPOSING TRUMP THAN STANDING
FOR SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE.
IS THERE A RISK FOR DEMOCRATS TO
BE SEEN IN THIS LIGHT?
>> LISTEN, I THINK WE NEED TO
TRY TO WORK WITH OUR REPUBLICAN
COLLEAGUES ON TAX REFORM, HEALTH
CARE REFORM.
BUT THAT MEANS THAT REPUBLICANS
HAVE TO GIVE UP THIS NOTION
THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THESE
LAWS WITH JUST REPUBLICANS.
I WISH MITCH McCONNELL WOULD
TAKE THE ADVICE OF MY FRIEND,
REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM MAINE,
SUSAN COLLINS, AND LET
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SIT
DOWN TOGETHER THE WAY THE
CONSTITUTION SAID, AND WORK OUT
BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS.
THAT WOULD HELP THE REPUBLICANS,
DEMOCRATS AND CANDIDLY THE
PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATINGS AS
WELL.
>> SUSAN