Senator Pat Toomey: President Donald Trump's Meeting With Putin A 'Disappointment'

PRESIDENT TRUMP DID AND GET THE LEGS --
>> SOMEWHERE SUNDAY AFTERNOON IT BECAME A HORRIBLE IDEA.
>> SO MANY REASONS, WOW, THIS IS UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED.
I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN. >> WITH US NOW, REPUBLICAN
SENATOR PAT TOOMEY, HERE TO DEFEND THE IDEA OF LETTING
VLADIMIR PUTIN RUN OUR CYBER SECURITY UNIT.
>> IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THE FOX TO GUARD THE HEN HOUSE.
>> WHAT? >> I TAKE IT YOU AGREE WITH JOHN
McCAIN AND EVERYBODY ELSE, LINDSEY GRAHAM?
>> I THOUGHT HE PUT IT WELL. >> IT MIGHT BE THE DUMBEST IDEA.
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS LET'S JUST FORGIVE AND FORGET ON THE
CYBER THEFT THAT HE'S ACTUALLY WEAKENING THE PRESIDENCY.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT ALSO? >> I DO.
I THINK -- LOOK, THE MEETING WITH PUTIN, I THINK, WAS A BIG
DISAPPOINTMENT. AFTER A GREAT SPEECH IN WARSAW,
WHICH WE WERE HOPING FOR, WAITING FOR.
WE GOT IT. AND THAT MEETING WITH PUTIN WAS
A PROBLEM. >> WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN
ABOUT IT? >> THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS
VLADIMIR PUTIN NEEDED TO COME AWAY FROM THAT MEETING
UNDERSTANDING THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A PRICE FOR HIS
AGGRESSION IN CRIMEA, HIS AGGRESSION IN UKRAINE, FOR HIS
AGGRESSION IN THE AMERICAN ELECTIONS AND A PRESIDENT LET
HIM KNOW SQUARELY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A PRICE.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE FEATURES. A TOUGH SANCTIONS BILL THAT JUST
PASSED THE SENATE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SIGNING
IT. IT'S STILL TIME FOR US TO
PROVIDE DEFENSE RESOURCES FOR THE PEOPLE IN UKRAINE.
AND UNTIL YOUR BEHAVIOR CHANGES, THESE THINGS DON'T GET REVERSED.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE MESSAGE.
>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD. HAROLD?
>> PAT, TO YOUR POINT, IT WAS FASCINATING THAT NONE OF THAT
HAPPENED. WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY SEEN THE
REACTION OF McCAIN AND LINDSEY. ARE OTHER COLLEAGUES OF YOURS
EXPRESSING -- IS THIS A MORE COMMONLY HELD FEELING ABOUT NOT
ONLY RUSSIA BUT OTHER ISSUES? >> WE'LL FIND OUT MORE TONIGHT.
WE'RE BACK AFTER BEING GONE FOR THE FOURTH OF JULY WEEK.
I THINK THE VOTE ON THE SANCTIONS TELL YOU SOMETHING.
>> 97-2. >> IT SIGNIFICANTLY SHIFTS POWER
AND AUTHORITY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, FROM THE PRESIDENCY TO
THE CONGRESS. IT TAKES AWAY THE PRESIDENT'S
UNILATERAL ABILITY TO LIFT SANCTIONS, FOR INSTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT BUT IT'S IN THIS BILL.
THERE'S A REASON IT'S CONTENTIOUS IN THE HOUSE.
>> DOES THIS IMPACT HEALTH CARE AND -- THAT'S WHAT I WAS REALLY
TRYING TO GET AT. >> I'M SORRY.
I THINK THE ANSWER IS IT DOESN'T.
>> IT DOES NOT? >> ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH HEALTH
CARE, THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE FOR US, OBVIOUSLY.
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS OTHER SPACE DOES NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT
THAT. >> SENATOR, IS IT APPROPRIATE
FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN TO SOLICIT OR ACCEPT NEGATIVE
INFORMATION ABOUT ARRIVAL FROM A RUSSIAN NATIONAL?
>> NO, THAT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS APPROPRIATE.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT IS A LEADING QUESTION.
>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT? >> IT ENCOURAGES COUNTRIES TO
COME IN AND UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
AND THESE COUNTRIES HAVE GREAT CAPABILITIES TO DO THAT SORT OF
THING. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO HAVE
THAT HAPPEN. >> WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT PAUL
MANAFORT AND DONALD TRUMP JR. AND JARED KUSHNER THAT THEY SAT
IN THE MEETING, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH --
>> THE INTENT -- >> THIS IS BREAKING NEWS.
I THINK THIS CAME OUT OVER THE WEEKEND.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THIS MEETING?
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT IT AND WE SHOULD.
>> 97-2, THAT WAS THE VOTE? >> I THINK SO, YEAH.
>> WHILE YOU'RE PROCEEDING ON THAT BILL, THAT BASICALLY STRIPS
A PIECE OF PRESIDENTIAL POWER FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, WHAT KIND OF PUSHBACK, IF ANY, DO YOU GET FROM THE
WHITE HOUSE OR DID YOU GET FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> I'VE GOTTEN ZERO ON THIS. I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF
INTERACTION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> DID THEY LOBBY YOU BEFORE THE BILL?
>> NO, NOT AT ALL. BUT FULL DISCLOSURE, NO BIG
SURPRISE, I SPEND MOST OF MY WORK ON DOMESTIC ISSUES,
ECONOMIC, FISCAL, TAX AND HEALTH CARE AND HAVE VERY EXTENSIVE
INTERACTIONS WITH THE WHITE HOUSE IN THOSE AREAS BUT I
DIDN'T HEAR A WORD FROM ANYONE ABOUT THE SANCTIONS.
>> ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THIS. WE'LL GO TO DAVID IGNATIUS AND
GET TO HEALTH CARE. WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU HAVE FOR
YOUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS IN THE HOUSE WHO, RIGHT NOW, ARE BEING
LOBBIED BY DONALD TRUMP TO WEAKEN OR STRIP OUT KEY
PROVISIONS OF YOUR SANCTIONS BILL THAT YOU PASSED 97-2?
>> FIRST OF ALL, FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS HERE.
I THINK MY RUSSIAN -- MY RUSSIAN.
MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IN THE HOUSE UNDERSTAND VERY WELL THAT
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS NO ALLY, NO FRIEND.
HE IS AN ADVERSARY. THAT SAY PERMANENT SITUATION
WITH RESPECT TO PUTIN. AND WE HAVE -- THE CONSENSUS IN
CONGRESS BETTER REFLECTS WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ON THIS.
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. >> DAVID IGNATIUS?
>> SENATOR, YOUR STATE, PENNSYLVANIA, WAS ONE OF THE
CRUCIAL STATES IN GETTING DONALD TRUMP ELECTED TO THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE. I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU'RE HEARING
FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WE TALK ON THIS SHOW, WE TALK IN
WASHINGTON ABOUT THESE ISSUES. BUT IT'S ALWAYS A BIT OF A
PUZZLE HOW MUCH THIS CONVERSATION IS PENETRATING THE
VOTERS OUT IN THE COUNTRY. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM VOTERS
WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT RUSSIAN MEDDLING AND THE
ELECTION, ABOUT TRUMP'S CONTACTS, THOSE OF HIS
ASSOCIATES WITH THE RUSSIANS? ARE PEOPLE GETTING WORRIED ABOUT
THIS? >> SOMEWHAT.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I DID A TOWN HALL MEETING LAST WEEK AND THE
ISSUE THAT CAME UP, TIME AFTER TIME, WAS HEALTH CARE.
THAT'S THE FRONT BURNER ISSUE. I THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERN IN
THE BACKGROUND ABOUT OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING RUSSIA,
CERTAINLY. BUT HEALTH CARE HAS BEEN THE
DOMINANT ISSUE. >> SO, TO THAT EXTENT, THE
CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING STILL HASN'T REALLY IN THE
COUNTRY AS A WHOLE? >> NOT TO THE SAME EXTENT HEALTH
CARE HAS. AGAIN, THIS MOST RECENT MEETING,
WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT IT OVER THE WEEKEND.
IT'S QUITE NEW. >> LET'S TURN TO HEALTH CARE.
>> SURE. >> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM
YOUR CONSTITUENTS? >> AS A GENERAL RULE, AND I
THINK JOE WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS, YOU TEND TO HEAR FROM
PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY. >> WHAT ARE THEY ANGRY ABOUT?
>> PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB DON'T USUALLY CALL
YOU. >> OF COURSE, WITH HAROLD,
EVERYBODY LOVED HIM. FLOWERS THROWN AT HIS FEET.
>> NEVER ANY CRITICISM. >> IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THOUGH?
>> I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT'S BEEN GROSSLY
MISCHARACTERIZED ABOUT THIS BILL.
I THINK MUCH OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE HEARD IS INACCURATE.
WE'RE HEARING A VERY VOCAL PROTEST FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T
LIKE THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING IN.
>> WHAT'S INACCURATE? >> I WOULD SAY THE
CHARACTERIZATIONS OF MEDICAID ARE WIDELY INACCURATE.
>> THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ARE WRONG?
>> YEAH. LOOK, REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS LIKE
HAVING A LOT OF FREE MONEY THROWN AT THEM.
THAT'S A FUN POSITION TO BE IN. >> IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN BUILD
FERRIS WHEELS. IT'S TO TAKE CARE OF THE POOREST
AMONG US. >> THE OBAMACARE DECISION THAT
ADULT, ABLE-BODIED, WORKING AGE PEOPLE WITH NO DEPENDENTS WOULD
QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID FOR THE FIRST TIME.
OBAMACARE PROMISED 90% OF THAT TO BE COVERED.
SO THAT'S BEEN ATTRACTIVE FOR A NUMBER OF GOVERNORS.
OUR SUGGESTION, OUR LEGISLATION IS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF SEVEN
YEARS, WE WILL GRADUALLY TRANSITION TO THE POINT WHERE
STATES ARE PAYING THEIR CONVENTIONAL SHARE.
LESS THAN HALF. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL STILL
PICK UP THE LION'S SHARE OF THIS, BUT THE STATES WILL
EVENTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME
PORTION FOR THIS CATEGORY OF MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY FOR ALL THE
OTHER CATEGORY. >> DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THE
CBO'S ASSESSMENT THAT 22 MILLION AMERICANS WILL LOSE COVERAGE?
>> IT'S WIDELY SPECULATIVE. IF YOU DIG DOWN INTO THE CBO
SCORE, HOW DO THEY COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS?
SEVERAL MILLION, THEY ASSUME THAT IF PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER
REQUIRED TO, BY THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, THEY'LL DECIDE TO
ABANDON FREE MEDICAID. FREE HEALTH CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY
UNDER MEDICAID BUT IF YOU'RE NOT FORCED BY LAW TO PARTICIPATE,
I'M OUT OF HERE. I THINK THAT'S IMPLAUSIBLE AT
THE VERY LEAST. >> IF YOU CAN'T SPECULATE ON THE
CBO'S NUMBERS, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE?
ARE YOU CONCERNED? >> I LOOK AT THE SUBSTANCE OF
THIS. WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?
WE KEEP THE ENTIRE PROGRAM INTACT, THE NEW ELIGIBILITY
PROGRAM INTACT, ASK STATES TO PAY THEIR SHARE.
MAYBE AS IMPORTANT AS ALL THE REST, IN THE EIGHTH YEAR, WE
ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT THE PROGRAM BEGIN TO GROW AT A
SLIGHTLY SLOWER PACE SO THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE OF ACTUALLY
KEEPING UP WITH IT. JOE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED
ABOUT THE GROWTH OF OUR ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.
THEY ARE DRIVING THE FISCAL TRAIN WRECK WE'RE ON.
MEDICAID IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST DRIVER OF THIS.
AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL ME, WHAT IS A MORE RESPONSIBLE
REFORM FOR A GIANT OUT OF CONTROL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM THAN
A SLIGHT CURB IN THE RATE AT WHICH IT GOES AT A POINT IN THE
DISTANCE FUTURE. >> WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT WITH
MEDICARE? WHY IS IT WE'RE GOING AFTER THE
POOR? >> YOU'VE GOT TO START
SOMEWHERE. >> WHY ARE WE STARTING WITH THE
POOR? >> THIS IS THE BIGGEST OF THE
PROBLEMS, JOE. IT'S GROWING MOST RAPIDLY.
CONTRIBUTING 70% OF OUR BUDGET DEFICIT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR LAP BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO MAKE REFORMS TO MEDICARE.
WE NEED TO MAKE REFORMS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
I'VE BEEN MAKING THIS ARGUMENT SINCE 1988.
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE AND YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW THAT YOU HAVE
BEEN AS CONSISTENT AS A FEW OTHERS OF US TALKING ABOUT
ENTITLEMENT REFORM. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE ONE
ENTITLEMENT REFORM WE START WITH IS FOR THE POOR.
LET ME ASK WHAT THESE CUT DOES TO YOUR RURAL HOSPITALS.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE IN WILLIAMSPORT, PENNSYLVANIA, OR
WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA? >> THESE ARE CUTS IN THE RATE OF
GROWTH. RURAL HOSPITALS WILL BE ABLE TO
MANAGE THIS. BY THE WAY, SOME OF THE
IMPORTANT THINGS -- >> HAVE THEY SAID THAT TO YOU,
THAT THEY'RE FINE? OR ARE THEY COMPLAINING?
>> SOME MORE SO AND SOME LESS SO.
THE REALITY IS THERE ARE WHOLE NEW WAYS THAT SOME OF OUR HEALTH
CARE PROVIDERS ARE DISCOVERING TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR
SAVINGS. UPMC, INSURANCE, INDEPENDENCE,
LEHIGH VALLEY NETWORK. USING DATA FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL
BE LIKELY TO DEVELOP EXPENSIVE AND PROBLEMATIC HEALTH CONCERNS,
FINDING WAYS TO INTERVENE EARLY. THERE'S TREMENDOUS INNOVATION
THAT CAN HAPPEN IF WE ALLOW IT TO

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