G20 MEETING BETWEEN RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES, THERE'S BEEN
AN AGREEMENT FOR A CEASE-FIRE IN SYRIA, IT APPLIES TO A PART OF
SOUTHWESTERN SYRIA AND BEGINS SUNDAY.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY MORE
DETAILS, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS FROM ANONYMOUS OFFICIALS WE WILL
HAVE AN ACTUAL ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
I JUST
FOUND A COUPLE OF THESE PIECES OF INFORMATION, OF QUOTES,
INTERESTING FROM SOME SYRIA ANALYSTS.
THE WASHINGTON
INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY SAID --
AGAIN, REMEMBERING THAT RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES ARE
NOT SYRIA AND IRAN AND ISIS AND REBEL FORCES AND ALL OF THE
OTHER FORCES THAT ARE PLAYING OUT INSIDE THE COUNTRY.
ANOTHER
ANALYST, A FORMER SPECIAL ADVISOR IN SYRIA UNDER PRESIDENT
BARACK OBAMA, HAD THIS TO SAY, I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING --
REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, OF COURSE WE KNOW
TRUMP WILL TRY TO SAY IT IS --
SO YES, IT IS SOMETHING POTENTIALLY POSITIVE COMING OUT
OF THIS NEWFOUND LOVE BETWEEN PUTIN AND TRUMP, BUT THE PROOF
IS ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA AND THERE ARE MANY MORE FORCES AT
STAKE HERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.
ON THE ONE HAND, I'M
ANNOYED BY IT BECAUSE AGAIN THE MEDIA IS MISSING THE POINT HERE.
TRUMP AND PUTIN HAVE A MEETING, TRUMP SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE
DONE THE MEDDLING, THEN THEY SAY, OKAY WE ARE DONE WITH IT,
THERE WILL BE NO CONSEQUENCES, WE WON'T INVESTIGATE IT -- WOW,
YOU WERE REALLY TOUGH ON PUTIN.
NOW HE SAYS YOUR SIDE IS WINNING
IN SYRIA, WE WILL DO A CEASE-FIRE THAT CEMENTS ASSAD'S
LEAD, AND THE LAST TIME THEY DID A CEASE-FIRE ASSAD BROKE IT THE
MINUTE IT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS TO HIM -- WAIT A MINUTE, PUTIN GOT
EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.
SO WHERE'S THE PART WHERE THEY GET
PUNISHED?
NO, SO FAR PUTIN HAS GOTTEN TRUMP TO TALK ABOUT HOW
NATO IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL AND THEY ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH AND
IT'S OUTDATED, ETC., HAS TALKED POSITIVELY ABOUT RUSSIA KEEPING
THE UKRAINE, AND NOW DID THIS SHOW THING WHERE, I'M GOING TO
BE TOUGH ON PUTIN AND BOMB ASSAD BECAUSE HE DID THE CHEMICAL
WEAPONS ATTACK.
THAT BOMBING WAS PROVEN TO NOT BOMB ANY NEW
PLANES, THEY HAD LEFT SOME OLD PLANES IN A HANGAR SOMEWHERE,
THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOMB THE RUNWAY, SO THE VERY NEXT DAY
ASSAD AND THE RUSSIANS CAN USE THAT SAME RUNWAY -- NOW THEY
TURN AROUND AND SAY WE PROMISE WE WON'T HIT ASSAD ANYMORE.
PUTIN GOT EVERYTHING HE WANTED, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME NOT TO CALL
THE MAINSTREAM PRESS STUPID WHEN THEY ARE SAYING TRUMP WAS TOUGH
ON RUSSIA TODAY.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEWS AT ALL, YOU
SHOULD ALL IMMEDIATELY RETIRE.
THE OTHER PART OF IT, THE REASON
WHY I MIXED ON IT, IS BECAUSE IT IS GOOD NEWS THAT THEY DID A
CEASE-FIRE.
4 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LEFT SYRIA, INTERNALLY OVER
8 MILLION ARE DISPLACED, THE WAR IS A MESS, AND BY THE WAY, WE
SHOULD STOP FUNDING RADICAL GROUPS THAT ARE FIGHTING ASSAD.
NOW, I'M NO FRIEND OF ASSAD AND I'VE CRITICIZED HIM A BILLION
TIMES ON THIS SHOW, I THINK YOU DONE SOME TERRIBLE THINGS, I
DON'T WANT PUTIN AND ASSAD TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE.
ON THE OTHER
SIDE, WHO ARE WE GIVING WEAPONS TO?
TULSI GABBARD HAS A GREAT
POINT ABOUT THIS, SHE'S GOT A BILL THAT JUSTICE DEMOCRATS ARE
SUPPORTING, THE STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT.
YOU THINK THAT
WHEN WE GIVE TO THE FORCES FIGHTING ASSAD, YOU BUY THE MYTH
THAT THEY ARE MODERATE RADICALS?
IN THE BEGINNING IN THE STREET
PROTESTS THERE WERE MODERATES AND PEOPLE WHO WERE SECULAR,
WHEN THE FIGHTING BEGAN THERE WERE SOME MODERATES LEFT.
NOW,
NO MODERATES LEFT.
THEY ARE CONNECTED TO AL QAEDA, WE ARE
ARMING SUNNI RADICALS, WE HAVE TO STOP ARMING THEM.
SO IF
THAT'S WHAT THIS DEAL LEADS TO COME AS MUCH AS I'M ANNOYED BY
THE WRONG COVERAGE OF IT AND THAT PUTIN HAS IN ESSENCE GOTTEN
WHAT HE WANTED, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD STOP SENDING MONEY AND
WEAPONS TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT VERY WELL USE IT AGAINST US LATER.
I AGREE THAT THE COVERAGE IS FLAWED IN THAT WAY, BUT I ALSO
THINK THERE'S A LACK OF QUESTIONING SOME OF THE
FUNDAMENTALS HERE.
THEORETICALLY WE WERE ABLE TO GET A
CEASE-FIRE, WHICH IMPLIES THAT THERE ARE DUELING SIDES WHICH
NEED TO COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, MAYBE YOU GIVE A
LITTLE, MAYBE I GIVE A LITTLE -- BUT I WOULD QUESTION ANYONE
WATCHING THIS TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE OF
DONALD TRUMP IN SYRIA IS RIGHT NOW.
I COULDN'T EVEN NECESSARILY
WHAT OBAMA'S REAL OBJECTIVE WAS THERE, HE WOULD SAY THAT
THEORETICALLY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ASSAD WAS GONE BUT HE WASN'T
WORKING TOWARD THAT, JUST SORT OF ROLLING THE DICE ON REBEL
GROUPS AND THINKING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY END UP BEING
EXTREMISTS OR MODERATE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THEM FIGHTING HIM, BUT
WE NEVER TOOK A STRONG STANCE TO GET HIM OUT OF POWER.
AND PEOPLE
I THINK JUST ASSUME AS WE TRANSITION OVER TO IT BEING THE
DONALD TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT OH, I GUESS THEORETICALLY HAS
AGAINST ASSAD TOO.
WHY ARE WE ASSUMING THAT AT THIS POINT?
I DON'T THINK HE IS.
QUITE CLEARLY HE WOULD LIKE TO KILL
ISIS I GUESS, BUT WHY ARE WE ASSUMING IT'S A COMPLICATED
NEGOTIATION WITH RUSSIA TO GET A CEASE-FIRE?
HE MIGHT SUPPORT THAT REGIME.
IT'S RIDICULOUS TO BE NEGOTIATING ON BEHALF OF A BUNCH
OF -- IN A PROXY WAY -- NEGOTIATING A CEASE-FIRE.
WHAT
WAS THE CONVERSATION WITH ASSAD, OR IRAN, OR REBEL FORCES ON THE
GROUND?
IF THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA HAD GONE OUT OF THOSE TWO
HOURS AND 50 MINUTES AND BEEN WE ARE GOING TO STOP SELLING
WEAPONS, YOU ARE GOING TO STOP SELLING WEAPONS, COOL.
AND GUESS
WHAT, WE WILL OPEN OUR BORDERS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
REFUGEES.
WOW.
WOULDN'T THAT HAVE GONE A LONG WAY FOR SOME
KIND OF CESSATION OF ALL THE HOSTILITY?
ONE POTENTIALLY
POSITIVE THING IS IF RUSSIA CAN GET ASSAD TO STOP THE BARREL
BOMBING, THE MOST EGREGIOUS OF ALL THE FIGHTING, FROM THE
ANALYSIS I'VE READ, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE SYRIANS, I THINK IT WOULD BE
GOOD FOR AMERICAN INTERESTS, BUT I'M WITH JOHN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT
TRUMP GOT FOUR TRUMP INTERESTS.
IT'S NOT CLEAR, TRUMP MIGHT WANT
ASSAD TO WIN.
FOR ALL WE KNOW, HE DOES.
WHAT IS HIS STANCE ON OTHER DICTATORS AROUND THE GLOBE?
IS
HE GENERALLY AGAINST THEM?
IN THIS CASE TRUMP IS CLOSE TO RUSSIA, HE'S DONE JUST ABOUT
EVERYTHING THEY HAVE ASKED ON UKRAINE, NATO, AND NOW SYRIA.
SO
WHY DO WE ASSUME TRUMP GET ANYTHING OUT OF THIS DEAL?
IT
SEEMS LIKE ALL HE DID WAS AGREE TO EVERYTHING PUTIN WANTED.