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>> THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE. THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR
OPPOSITION WITH THE RUSSIAN HOPES OR THEY CAN SERVE THE
INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> THE PRESIDENT MOMENTS AGO CALLING THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION A HOAX. THERE ARE NEW TWO BIPARTISAN
EFFORTS TO PROTECT IT FROM ANY ACTION BY PRESIDENT TRUMP OR HIS
SUBORDINATES TO FIRE HIM. A NEW SENATE BILL BY TOM TILLIS
OF NORTH CAROLINA. IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE TO
MUELLER'S APPOINTMENT, A THREE-JUDGE PANEL WOULD BE
PLACED. OTHERWISE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
WOULD BE REINSTATED. THE BILL'S CO-SPONSOR STRESSED
THE NEED FOR TRUE I UNDERSTAND AND ALL THE KEY HE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT DECISIONS. >> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SHOW TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT
INDEPENDENCE. WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT BEING HELD
TO A HIGHER STANDARD. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS
UNIQUE AMONG CABINET POSITIONS. ON THE ONE HAND, THE PRESIDENT
NOL NATURES THE FBI DIRECTOR OR THE A.G.
JUST AFTER THEY'RE CONFIRMED, I WANT THEY WILL TO BE
INDEPENDENT. >> THIS IS CO-SPONSORED THAT
WOULD BLOCK THE PRESIDENT FROM FIRING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
WITHOUT A JUDGE'S APPROVAL. WHEN IT IS INVESTIGATING THE
PRESIDENT, AS IS NOW THE CASE. ADAM SCHIF TWEETING, IF TRUE
THAT MUELLER HAS IMPANELED A GRAND JURY, ALL THE MORE
IMPORTANT THAT CONGRESS PROTECT HIS INDEPENDENCE.
JOINING ME, A MEMBER OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENT ATTEMPTING TO FIRE
ROBERT MUELLER AS THE INVESTIGATION TAKES OFF?
>> I'M VERY CONCERNED. THE OMINOUS THREATS PRESIDENT
HAS MADE ABOUT FIRING JEFF SESSIONS AS A MEANS TO FIRE BOB
MUELLER AND HIS DIRECT THREATS ABOUT CALLING IT A HOAX AND A
WITCH HUNT, ATTACKING THE INTEGRITY OF THE TEAM, AN
EXCELLENT TEAM OF 16 PROSECUTORS THAT BOB MUELLER HAS ASSEMBLED.
THAT IDEAS I HAVE JOINED WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM AS A CO-SPONSOR.
AND STOP THAT FIRING FITS DONE WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE.
AND I AM ALSO HEARTENED BY THE IMPANELMENT OF A GRAND JURY.
REMEMBER, CHRIS, THAT A GRAND JURY IS AN ARM OF THE COURT.
IT IS NOT THE JUST A TOOL OF THE PROSECUTOR.
IT ACTUALLY HAS A LEGAL STATUS UNDER THE COURT'S AUTHORITY.
SO A THREAT AGAINST BOB MUELLER IS LESS WEIGHTY.
BECAUSE THE GRAND JURY HAS DEGREE OF PERMANENCY AND
PROTECTION THAT BOB MUELLER MIGHT NOT HAVE.
THIS LEGISLATION IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT INDICATES
THE LEVEL OF OUTRAGE AND OPPOSITION THAT WOULD FOLLOW ANY
ATTEMPT BY DONALD TRUMP TO FIRE BOB MUELLER.
>> SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT HAPPENED TODAY.
THE SENATE WENT INTO THE A FIVE-WEEK RECESS IF I'M NOT
MISTAKEN. THEY FLOCKED WHAT IS CALLED A
PRO FORMA SESSION. TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE SURE THAT
THERE IS, FOR CONSTITUTIONAL PURPOSES, NOT A RECESS THAT THE
PRESIDENT CAN APPOINT SOMEONE, WERE THE PRESIDENT TO SAY FIRE
JEFF SESSIONS. HOW SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT IS
THAT STEP? >> WHAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT IS
NOT ONLY THAT STEP BUT I THINK VERY STRONG DETERMINATION THAT
THERE BE NO RECESS APPOINTMENT IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
POSITION. AND I THINK AGAIN, THE FIRESTORM
AND POTENTIAL CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS THAT WOULD GREET THIS
STEP BY DONALD TRUMP IS REFLECTED IN THAT IN STEP BY
LISA MURKOWSKI, SENATOR FROM ALASKA.
SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. BUT WHAT IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT
IS THE SENSE, A CLEAR SENSE, AND IT IS TANGIBLE THAT THERE IS
GOING TO BE STRONG OPPOSITION. BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TO THIS
KIND OF ABUSIVE USE OF POWER. AND OBVIOUSLY, TO GO BACK TO
YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THE THREAT IS EVEN MORE OMINOUS.
CLEARLY, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS FOLLOWING THE MONEY.
HE IS GOING AFTER FINANCIAL DEALS.
THOSE FINANCIAL DEALINGS ARE EXTREMELY RELEVANT BECAUSE THE
RUSSIAN PLAY BOOK IS TO ENLIST OR ENGAGE FOREIGN OFFICIALS AND
CREATE MONETARY INCENTIVES FOR THEY WILL TO COOPERATE.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED HERE.
BOB MUELLER KNOWS IT. HE WILL FOLLOW THE MONEY.
>> THERE IS REPORTING ABOUT THOSE MONEY TRAILS AND
SIGNIFICANT PUSHBACK FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON THAT.
THE PRESIDENT IN AN INTERVIEW WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" SAYING
A PURSUIT OF FINANCIAL DEALS PRIOR TO HIS CAMPAIGN WOULD BE
OUT OF BOUNDS. I WOULD VIOLATE THE PORTFOLIO OF
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. JAY SEKULOW REPEATING THAT SAME
NOTIONTION THAT HE WOULD OBJECT THE LAWYERS FOR THE PRESIDENT
WOULD OBJECT TO FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF SAY, REAL ESTATE DEALS
FROM SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO. WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?
>> THEY HAVE NO LEGAL POWER AND NO MORAL CASE TO TRY TO
CONSTRAIN A GRAND JURY. THE GRAND JURY HAS AN AUTHORIZE
THAT IS PART OF THE RULE OF LAW. AND AS A PROSECUTOR, AS THE
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FOR CONNECTICUT FOR FOUR AND A HALF
YEARS, I'VE SEEN GRAND JURIES OFTEN DEVELOP THEIR OWN
QUESTIONS AND WANT TO KNOW ABOUT FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
THEY ARE COMPOSED OF ORDINARY CITIZENS WHO OFTEN HAVE VERY
GOOD QUESTIONS. THE OTHER REASON THIS GRAND JURY
WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS THAT WE ARE DEALING
HERE WITH A POTENTIAL INDICTMENT OF THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICIAL
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. SO BOB MUELLER IS GOING TO WANT
TO KNOW HOW THE AVERAGE CITIZEN REACTS TO THIS EVIDENCE.
I WILL BE A VERY GOOD SIGN FOR HIM OF WHAT A JURY, A REGULAR
JURY AT TRIAL MIGHT REACT TO. WE'RE A BIT AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
THERE'S NO CONCLUSIVE PROOF OF ANY CRIME HERE.
BUT VERY IMPORTANTLY, THAT GRAND JURY CAN ASK ITS OWN QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW LINES IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
>> SO I WANT TO YOU CLARIFY. YOU SAY WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS,
YOU MEAN YOU BELIEVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY FOR AN INDICTMENT OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> IT IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.
THERE IS A LAW OF AUTHORITY THAT THERE CANNOT BE AN INDICTMENT OF
THE PRESIDENT. WHEN I SAY AUTHORITY, NO REAL
LEGAL CASE LAW. BUT THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD LEGAL
ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT. STILL, IF HE OUT OF OFFICE,
THERE COULD BE

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