THAT SHIELD CRIMINAL ALIENS. WE ARE BUILDING A WALL ON THE
SOUTHERN BBORDER. OUR PROPOSAL PREVENTS NEW
IMMIGRANTS FROM GOING ON WELFARE FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS SO YOU
DON'T COME IN AND GO ON WELFARE. OUR PLAN FAVORS APPLICANTS WHO
CAN SPEAK ENGLISH, WHO CAN SUPPORT THEMSELVES FINANCIALLY.
>> CLEARLY DONALD TRUMP KNOWS WHICH LINES WILL GET THE BIGGEST
APPLAUSE IN PLACES LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, ONE OF THE FEW PLACES
WHERE HE REMAINS VERY, VERY POPULAR.
TRUMP SPENT MUCH OF HIS CAMPAIGN SPEECH THERE ON A REPUBLICAN
PLAN TO SLASH LEGAL IMMIGRATION BY HALF.
IT'S A BILL THAT WOULD NEED 60 VOTES TO PASS THE SENATE AND
THUS IS ALMOST CERTAIN TO FAIL. BUT WITH NO POWER ON CAPITOL
HILL, A PARTY THAT NO LONGER FEARS HIM, POLICIES HAM STRUNG
BY HISBY HIS OWN AGENCIES OR BY COURTS AND POLLING THAT COULD
BEST BE DESCRIBED AS DISMAL, IT IS I THINK FAIR TO START TO
THINK OF DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY AT THIS POINT AS
MOSTLY PERFORMATIVE. IN OTHER WORDS RED MEAT THEET IS
ALL HE HAVE. JOINING ME, JASON JOHNSON, NOEL
ANYIKPOOR, MARIA TERESA KUMAR THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THE PERFORMANCE ASPECT OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING NOW HAS
GONE BACK TO WHERE IT WAS IN THE CAMPAIGN, VERY MUCH DIRECTED AT
IMMIGRANTS, THE IMPLICATION BEING IMMIGRANTS OF COLOR COMING
IN AND GETTING ON WELFARE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIM
RETURNING TO THAT WELL? >> FIRST OF ALL IT'S A YEAR
SINCE HE ANNOUNCED HIS PRESIDENCY AND HE'S BACK WHERE
HE STARTED IN LARGE PART BECAUSE HE REALIZES HE KEEPS LOSING IN
THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS FACT THAT HE HAS SO MUCH
THEATRICS AND CHAOS AND UPHEAVAL IN HIS OWN RANK AND FILE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE, HE REALIZES I NEED TO GIVE SOMETHING -- WE CAN'T
UNDERESTIMATE HOW PAINFULLY DIFFICULT IT WAS FOR HIM TO LOSE
HEALTH CARE REFORM.
HE'S SAYING LOOK OVER HERE BECAUSE I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE
LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IS BASICALLY WHAT HE'S DOING.
>> NOELLE IT'S INTERESTING, THIS IS HAPPENING AT A TIME DONALD
TRUMP IS FINALLY STARTING TO BLEED WHITE VOTERS.
THERE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY SET OF NUMBERS FROM QUINNIPIAC
SHOWED IN FEBRUARY UP PLUS 4 WITH WHITE VOTERS OVERALL, NOW
DOWN MINUS 17, DROPPED 17 POINTS.
HE'S DROPPED ONE POINT WITH WHITE MEN, HIS STRONGEST BASE OF
SUPPORT AND EVEN AMONG WHITERS WITH NO COLLEGE DEGREE HE'S
NEGATIVE SEVEN, GONE DOWN. HE'S STARTING TO ERODE THE BASE.
IS THAT WHY YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE HIM GO BACK TO THE WELL AND
IS THAT A CYNICAL TAKE ON HIS PART ON WHAT WILL MOTIVATE WHITE
VOTERS? >> THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PUT UP,
IF HE IS STARTING TO LOSE SUPPORT AMONGST HIS BASE, WHAT
DO YOU NATURALLY DO? YOU DO WHAT ATTRACTED THEM AND
YOU GO BACK PRETTY MUCH ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, EVEN THOUGH YOU
ARE PRESIDENT, YOU GO BACK AND YOU RALLY THAT BASE.
DID YOU LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND OF THE PEOPLE WHEN HE DID THAT?
THEY WERE LIKE, RAH! THAT ACTUALLY EXHILARATES DONALD
TRUMP, AND HE FEELS LIKE THAT RALLIES THAT BASE, AND IT KEEPS
HIM ON TILT. NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT I
THOUGHT WAS KIND OF FUNNY IS THE FACT THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
AS A WHOLE HAS HAD A PROBLEM ATTRACTING MINORITIES AND
HISPANICS OR WHATEVER TO THE PARTY.
WITH THIS IMMIGRATION BILL I THINK THIS IS GOING TO DRIVE A
WEDGE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE TRUE
IMPLICATIONS AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT NOT ONLY SOME OF
THE PEOPLE THAT CROSSED OVER AND ADDED TO THAT BASE BUT NEWCOMERS
ARE GOING TO BE LIKE WAIT A MINUTE THIS MIGHT NOT BE FAIR TO
ME. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
BRINGING OUR CONVERSATIONS OUT BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN BUSINESS,
SMALL BUSINESSES AREN'T GOING TO BE THRILLED ABOUT THIS BILL EVEN
IF THEY ARE REPUBLICANS. >> THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT AND THIS IS TRUE. IT'S THAT IN THIS BILL, THE
IMMIGRATION BILL, DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEY SNUCK IN A
WORDING THAT KILLS THE EB5 FINANCING.
IT DOES A LOT OF TRICKY THINGS. >> THAT'S A KIND OF VISA.
>> WHAT'S SO FUNNY IS THE EB5 FINANCE SAVANNAH GUTHRIE THE
TRUMP FAMILY AND KUSHNER FAMILY ENJOYED, NOT ONLY JUST THEM BUT
I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE IN IT.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF DONORS IN IT. IF IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WORKED
RIGHT IT'S GREAT. IT GIVES $18 BILLION WORTH OF
FOREIGN INVESTMENTS THAT COMES INTO THIS COUNTRY, AND NOT ONLY
THAT, BUT IT HELPS THE GDP. THE MORE FOREIGN WORKERS THAT WE
HAVE, THE MORE THAT THE GDP, THE GROWTH PRODUCTIVITY DEPENDS ON
THAT. SO ALL OF IT GOES HAND IN HAND
AND HE'S TAKEN CREDIT. HE SENT OUT A TWEET ON THE
ECONOMY, HE'S TAKING CREDIT FOR THAT.
PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF THE GOOD WORKERS THAT WE
HAVE. >> CHRIS METZLER ON THE
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, I'LL INSPIRE MY BASE, BASED ON ATTACKING
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, YOU HAVE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS
SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO, THEY'RE SEENING JOB LISTINGS FOR
INVESTIGATION, SUING UNIVERSITIES ON REVERSE
DISCRIMINATION. EVEN IF YOU LOOK IN HIGHER
EDUCATION, PEOPLE WHO ARE REPUBLICANS WHO WORK IN THE
FIELD OF HIGHER EDUCATION ARE SAYING DON'T DO THIS.
HOW IS THIS HELPFUL AND WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT WHAT DONALD
TRUMP THINKS OF HIS BASE? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT
HELPFUL AT ALL, AND LET'S JUST KIND OF CLARIFY SOME LANGUAGE
HERE. I FOR THE LIFE OF ME DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF REVERSE DISCRIMINATION.
IT EITHER IS DISCRIMINATION OR IT'S NOT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REVERSE DISCRIMINATION, WHAT WE'RE
SAYING IS, THERE IS REGULAR DISCRIMINATION, AND WHEN IT
COMES TO DISCRIMINATING AGAINST WHITE MEN, THIS IS A SPECIAL AND
KIND OF SINISTER FORM OF DISCRIMINATION.
SO AS A PURELY LEGAL TERM, THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, AS IT RELATES TO THE
WHOLE QUESTION OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, SO HERE IS THE ISSUE.
BASED ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THIS NEW IMMIGRATION STATUS,
THAT IS, IN FACT, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
YOU ARE GIVING PREFERENCE TO PEOPLE BASED ON BEING ABLE TO
SPEAK ENGLISH. SO HERE WE ARE, HAVING
LEGISLATION TALKING OVER, OUT OF MANY SIDES OF ITS MOUTH.
IT MAKES NO SENSE. >> YES, AND YOU KNOW, AT THE
SAME TIME, JASON, YOU DO HAVE TO, NOELLE'S POINT, DONALD TRUMP
WHAT HE NEEDS ARE THE EMOTIONAL, HE NEEDS TO BE REJUVENATED
HIMSELF. >> RIGHT.
>> DOES GO BACK TO IT. I HAVE TO PLAY THIS, WHICH IS
GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT'S FROM THE CAMPAIGN BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FROM
THIS WEEK IN WEST VIRGINIA. THIS IS DONALD TRUMP IN WEST
VIRGINIA AND HIS CROWD. TAKE A LISTEN.
>> WHAT THE PROSECUTORS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ARE HILLARY
CLINTON'S 33,000 DELETED EMAILS. >> NOW IS THAT GOING TO BE
ENOUGH TO KEEP THE BASE -- THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOCK UP
HILLARY CLINTON. >> HE CANNOT GET OVER HIS EX.
IT'S LIKE GET OVER IT. SHE DOESN'T NEED YOU ANYMORE.
THIS IS DONALD TRUMP. HERE'S THE PROBLEM AND IN ALL OF
THESE DIFFERENT POLICIES HE'S ROLLED OUT THIS WEEK APPLY TO
THIS. SO HE'S LOST THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY BUT GAINED A GRAND JURY, RIGHT?
HE'S LOST WHITE VOTERS AND NOW HE'S GOING TO GAIN FIGHTS WITH
UNIVERSITIES PRIMARILY PREDOMINANTLY WHITE
INSTITUTIONS, WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE FIGHTING IF JEFF SESSIONS
GOES ALONG WITH THIS PLAN. NONE OF THIS IS PRODUCTIVE.
THIS IS THE KEY THING JOY, GREAT JOB NUMBERS ON FRIDAY.
EXCELLENT JOB NUMBERS AND YET HIS POLL NUMBERS ARE DROPPING,
WHY? BECAUSE HE'S FAILING TO PROVIDE
THE ENTHUSIASM AND THE PASS ACTIVITY THAT HE CLAIMED HE WAS
GOING TO BRING WHEN HE GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
SO THIS IS -- I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S A FAILED PRESIDENCY YET
BUT YOU CAN KEEP THROWING THINGS AT THE WALL AND IT'S NOT GOING
TO WORK AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S REALIZING THESE RACE-BASED WHITE
NATIONALIST STEVE BANNON POLICIES HE'S PROMOTING AREN'T
ENOUGH TO GET WHITE VOTERS TO SUPPORT HIM.
>> HE SEEMS TO KNOW THEY'RE NOT REAL.
ONE OF THE MOST EXTRAORDINARIER IN THINGS ABOUT HIS, THE LEAKED
TRANSCRIPTS OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO AND
WITH THE AUSTRALIAN PM, HE ADMITTED IN THE JANUARY 27 CALL,
I'M WILLING TO SAY ON THE WALL THAT WE'LL WORK IT OUT, MEANING
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL, BUT THAT MEANS IT WILL
COME OUT IN THE WASH AND THAT'S OKAY BUT YOU CANNOT SAY ANYMORE
THAT THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL.
IT'S LIKE IT'S THE LEAST IMPORTANT THING --
>> THROW ME A BONE. EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP IS DOING
WITH THE HELP OF JEFF SESSIONS IS BASICALLY TRYING TO
DISENFRANCHISE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN COMMUNITIES QUICKLY TO
DISMANTLE THE SYSTEMS WE PUT IN PLACE.
>> OR AT LEAST SAY HE'S GOING TO.
>> BUT THE IDEA, THIS IDEA THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DON'T WANT
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, FOR EXAMPLE. WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT PREPARING
THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE NEED IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
WE HAVE A MAJORITY MINORITY GROUP OF AMERICANS COMING IN IN
LESS THAN 25 YEARS BUT WE'RE NOT READY.
THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY IS COMPLETELY ANTI-AMERICAN.
IT'S ELITIST. IT IS SAYING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WE'RE NO LONGER ASKING FOR THE BEST, THE BRIGHTEST, THE PEOPLE
THAT COME HERE WITH FIVE BUCKS, WE WANT THE RICH PEOPLE.
THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD BE LEVELING.
>> FROM AN ACADEMIC PERSPECTIVE AND COLLEGE PROFESSOR THIS IS
HURTING THE COUNTRY FINANCIALLY. STUDENTS WITH MONEY FROM ABROAD
ARE LIKE I DON'T WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE.
THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL IN CHINA AND EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES
BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING YOU, AND NOW YOUR MONEY
ARE NO LONGER WELCOME AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
40% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION UNDER 15 ARE BROWN.
THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO COLLEGE NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF POLICY.
>> LET ME LET CHRIS IN. >> YES, SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS THIS. THERE IS NO COHESIVE STRATEGY.
THAT IS WHAT I'M WAITING FOR. WHAT IS THE STRATEGY?
INSTEAD WHAT WE HAVE IS A MISMOSH, LIKE SHOOTING IN THE
DARK, LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL.
AS A STRATEGIST I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THERE IS NO STRATEGY.
THERE IS A LOT OF TALK. THERE IS A LOT OF RANDOM
POLICIES BUT THERE IS NO STRATEGY.
THE RESULT IS GOING TO BE A COLLAPSED ECONOMY.
THE RESULT IS GOING TO BE FURTHER DIVISION.
SO LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE NOW HAVE IS A
GENERAL AS CHIEF OF STAFF THAT THAT SOLVES ALL OF THE PROBLEMS.
>> YES. >> THE WHITE HOUSE IS ONE THING.
AMERICA IS ANOTHER. >> NOELLE?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY
INTERESTING WITH THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY COMING
FORWARD IS THE FACT THAT WHAT'S THIS GOING TO DO IN THE MIDTERM
ELECTIONS, YOU HAVE LEGISLATORS POPULATED BY IMMIGRATED
DISTRICTS. ARE THEY GOING TO SUPPORT THIS
OR BREAK AND GO ROGUE AND SAY I'M NOT --
>> EIGHT REPUBLICAN SEATS IN CALIFORNIA ALONE, YOU'VE GOT
SEATS IN FLORIDA. IT'S NOT AS IF ALL DISTRICTS ARE
WHITE. >> THERE ARE 56 DISTRICTS THAT
HAVE AT LEAST 7% LATINO POPULATION IN SEVEN STATES.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
ALL THE RED MEAT THEY'RE THROWING PEOPLE ARE FEELING
UNDER DURESS IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND THE ONLY WAY
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT BACK IS PARTICIPATING AT
THE POLLS. I DO THINK THIS IS PART OF A
LARGER STRATEGY OF DISENFRANCHISEMENT.
THIS IS WHY JEFF SESSIONS IS TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
VOTERORFEITURES, YOU'RE GOING TO PRISON FOR A MINOR WEED
VIOLATION. UNTIL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COME
FORTH AND SAY THIS IS NOT ON OUR WATCH IT IS GOING TO BE DISMAL.
>> LAST WORD TO YOU CHRIS METZLER.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE.
WE'RE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE HERE RATHER THAN MOVING AMERICA
FORWARD. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE CREDIT
FOR JOBS AND WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT, BUT AT SOME POINT, WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE BASE IS GOING TO REALIZE THAT THESE
POLICIES, SO-CALLED POLICIES, THESE RALLIES, ALL OF THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS, IS NOT MAKING THEIR LIVES BETTER.
>> BETTER, YES. >> AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOSE AS
REPUBLICANS. >> YEP.
>> AND UNTIL WE REALIZE THAT, AND START TAKING ACTION TOWARDS
THAT, WE ARE SADLY MISTAKEN AS TO WHAT THE EFFECT IS GOING TO
BE. >> CHRIS METZLER, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. JASON, NOELLE AND MARIA, WE'LL
BE BACK. CHRIS AND NOELLE ARE
REPUBLICANS, I REMIND YOU, SO TWO OF THESE GUYS ARE
REPUBLICANS, TRYING TO TALK TO YOU THROUGH THE TV, DONALD D
TRUMP. >>> UP NEXT, DONALD TRUMP, HEY
DONALD, CONGRATULATES HIMSELF OVER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ECONOMY.
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