MORNING. >> IT'S A HASH TAG, YOU KNOW.
RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE,
CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS OF CALIFORNIA.
>> SHE'S SOFT SPOKEN. DOESN'T SPEAK HER MIND.
>> RELUCTANT TO GET OUT THERE ON A CLIFF.
>> WE'RE GOING TO RECLAIM YOUR TIME AND PUT IT RIGHT HERE ON
"MORNING JOE." YOU WERE THE FIRST TO TALK
IMETCH POOHMENT. >> YES.
>> I THINK IN TERMS OF PRESS AND ANALYSIS YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL,
BUT ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE SHOULD, GIVEN THE GRAND JURY
NEWS WE HAVE RECEIVED OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS?
>> I'VE LONG THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF SMOKE, EVEN FIRE.
AND THAT EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT,
STARTING WITH THE CAMPAIGN ITSELF.
THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS SOMETHING
TERRIBLY WRONG WITH HIM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'VE SAID
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I THINK HE'S THE MOST DEPLORABLE PERSON
I'VE EVER MET IN MY LIFE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK
AT HIS ALLIES AND SOME IN HIS CABINET, ALL THESE PEOPLE AROUND
HIM, WITH CONNECTIONS TO THE UKRAINE OR TO RUSSIA OR TO OIL,
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.
WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED FASTER. OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES HAVE
NOT MOVED FAST ENOUGH. BUT I HAVE MY HOPES FOR MUELLER
AS MOST PEOPLE DO. I THINK HE'S GOING TO CONNECT
THE DOTS. AND I THINK WE'RE NEARING A
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. >> WHAT ABOUT WITH GENERAL KELLY
COMING IN AS CHIEF OF STAFF? ARE YOU HOPEFUL AS AN AMERICAN
THAT HE MAY BE ABLE TO STABILIZE THINGS INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE?
>> NO, NO. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
PRESIDENT BECOMING PRESIDENTIAL OR TRANSITIONING LONG ENOUGH.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. HE IS A FLAWED MAN.
WITH NO REAL VALUES. AND NO REAL APPRECIATION OR
UNDERSTANDING FOR GOVERNMENT OR PUBLIC POLICY.
I HAVE NO HOPES THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTAIN HIM
OR THAT HE'S GOING TO CHANGE. >> IT'S CLEAR OBVIOUSLY FROM
YOUR COMMENTS NOT JUST HERE THIS MORNING BUT IN THE PAST THAT YOU
DON'T LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP. YOU CALLED HIM DEPLORABLE THIS
MORNING. >> YES.
>> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PERSON BEING DEPLORABLE AND
NOT HAVING VALUES AND BEING WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT.
THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE AND CHARGES BROUGHT ON SOMETHING
LIKE THAT. >> OF COURSE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING
LET'S WAIT FOR BOB MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION.
>> I'VE ALWAYS SAID THE DOTS HAVE TO BE CONNECTED.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS IMPEACHABLE.
AND I'M VERY PLEASED THAT I HAVE TO GENERATE THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT HIM. I KNOW I WAS EARLY.
AND I KNOW THAT I TALKED ABOUT MANAFORT AND SOME OF THE OTHERS
VERY EARLY. MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE WERE
TALKING ABOUT. BUT OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE
THE INFORMATION. YOU HAVE TO CONNECT THE DOTS.
I THINK IT'S THERE. >> YOU KNOW THIS CONGRESS.
YOU KNOW THE MEMBERS OF THIS CONGRESS.
YOU'RE THERE EVERY DAY.DAY. WILL THIS CONGRESS WITH ITS BIG
REPUBLICAN MAJORITY EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, SMOKING GUN,
CORPSE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. >> SHOOTING SOMEBODY IN THE
MIDDLE OF FIFTH AVENUE. >> EXACTLY.
WILL IT EVER IMPEACH DONALD TRUMP?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M BETTING ON? I'M BETTING ON WHEN THE DOTS ARE
CONNECTED AND MUELLER IS ABLE TO SHOW COLLUSION, I'M BANKING ON
THE PATRIOTISM OF SOME OF THE AMERICANS, MOST OF THEM.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO STAND WITH HIM IF IT IS PROVEN THAT THEY
COLLUDED, THAT THEY UNDERMINED OUR DEMOCRACY, INTERFERED WITH
OUR ELECTIONS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT
THIS PRESIDENT IS DANGEROUS AND I DO BELIEVE THAT PATRIOTISM
WILL WIN IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, WE WERE
TALKING EARLIER ABOUT CERTAIN SENATORS ARE STARTING TO KIND OF
STAND UP, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
WITH SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE IN THE HOUSE, ARE YOU
HEARING FROM THEM? ARE YOU STARTING TO SENSE THAT
MORE AND MORE JUST ALONG THE LINES OF THE SENATE, A LOT OF
THE -- WE GOT TO GET OFF THIS TRAIN?
>> I'VE TALKED WITH A FEW QUIETLY AND PRIVATELY AND NO,
I'VE NOT HEARD YET THAT THEY'RE READY TO MOVE, BUT I HAVE PICKED
UP THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED, THAT THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.
AND THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT AT THIS POINT SAYING THAT THEY
WILL TURN AGAINST HIM AND THEY WOULD SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT, I
HAVE SENSED THE UNEASINESS AND I'VE HEARD THE CONCERN.
>> SO WHAT CONNECTION DO YOU THING THERE IS BETWEEN DONALD
TRUMP AND RUSSIA? >> I BELIEVE THAT THIS PRESIDENT
TRIED TO CONVINCE PUTIN THAT HE COULD LIFT THOSE SANCTIONS.
I BELIEVE THAT HE HAD PUTIN BELIEVING THAT HE HAD THE POWER
AND THE INFLUENCE TO DO THAT. AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT'S
ALL ABOUT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT TRILLING IN
THE ARCTIC. AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT LIFTING
THOSE SANCTIONS. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE AND ALLIES
OF THE PRESIDENT, SURROUNDING HIM, WHETHER IT'S ROGER STONE OR
MANAFORT, ALL OF THEM ARE SOME KIND OF WAY INVOLVED IN THE
SANCTIONS ISSUE. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT PUTIN IS
SAYING NOW. HE IS TRULY DISAPPOINTED.
HE THOUGHT THIS PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT UNFOLDS
AND WHAT HE'S WILLING TO DO. WE KNOW THAT HE'S KICKING OUT
SOME OF OUR DIPLOMATS. MOST OF THEM.
AT THIS POINT. BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET
WORSE BECAUSE HE IS DISAPPOINTED.
HE THOUGHT THAT THIS PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO LIFT THE
SANCTIONS. >> MAXINE, THERE'S NOTHING AS
SAD AS LOVE GONE BAD. >> ROMANCE GONE BAD.
>> SCORNED LOVERS. VLADIMIR PUTIN, DONALD TRUMP.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THE BLOOM, WILLIE, IT'S OFF
THE ROSE. CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS,
THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> DON'T MESS --
>> AS I ALWAYS SAID, I USED TO GO UP ON THE FLOOR AND HUG HER
AND SHE'D PUSH ME AWAY, SAYING YOU'RE KILLING ME IN MY
DISTRICT. >> YEAH, I DON'T WANT NOBODY TO
KNOW IT THOUGH. >> EXACTLY.
STILL AHEAD, MUCH MORE ON THE FEDERAL GRAND JURY AS THEY
CONVENE AS PART OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
WE'LL TALK TO "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTER WHO BROKE THAT
STORY. PLUS, THE PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE
TO A FIRED UP CROWD OF SUPPORTERS INRS IN WEST