WOULD SAY THERE'S NO LOVE LOSS THERE.
>> YOU THOUGHT HE WAS ONE OF THE LEAKERS.
>> I DID. >> HE'S GONE, RIGHT?
WHO'S LEAKING NOW? IS IT STEVE BANNON?
>> WELL, I'VE SAID THAT. LISTEN, I'VE BEEN PRETTY OPEN
ABOUT THAT. >> STEVE BANNON?
>> I SAID HE WAS AND I OBVIOUSLY GOT CAUGHT ON TAPE SAYING HE WAS
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING THAT.
>> IS HE GOING TO BE GONE IN A WEEK?
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DOES THE MOOCH THINK?
>> IF IT WAS UP TO ME, HE WOULD BE GONE.
BUT IT'S NOT UP TO ME. >> THE MOOCH SAYS HE WILL BE
GONE. THE PRESIDENT REPORTEDLY
CONSULTED WITH BANNON THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND OVER HOW T RESPOND
TO THE CHARLOTTESVILLE VIOLENCE. WE'VE HEARD HOW MANY TIMES THAT
WEEK. >> IT IS MY SENSE THAT IF THERE
WAS EVER A TIME, THE TIME IS NOW BUT IT IS AT LEAST AT THIS POINT
NOT APPEARING TO BE A DONE DEAL. YOU'RE RIGHT THERE HAVE BEEN
STORIES REPEATEDLY ABOUT BANNON'S SAFETY AND SECURITY AT
THE WHITE HOUSE AND WITH THE PRESIDENT BUT LET ME POINT OUT A
COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. STEVE BANNON DID NOT GO TO
BEDMINISTER, WHERE JOHN KELLY WAS CONDUCTING THIS REVIEW.
HE WAS ASSESSING THE TROOPS, WHAT STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES,
FIGURING OUT WHO TO MAKE THE STRUCTURE RUN MORE EFFECTIVELY.
STEVE BANNON WAS NOT THERE FOR THAT PROCESS, WHICH I THINK SAYS
SOMETHING. YOU ALSO HAVE I THINK CONCERN
AMONG SOME FOLKS INSIDE THE WEST WING AND CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT
ABOUT BANNON'S ROLE ABOUT THE MACHINATIONS WITH H.R. McMASTER
BECAUSE THE TWO, REMEMBER, DO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT POLICY
VIEWS. THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN
TO -- THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS -- WHILE STEVE BANNON'S PERSONAL
INFLUENCE MAY BE WANING WITH THE PRESIDENT, HIS POLICY INFLUENCE
DOES NOT SEEM TO BE. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH CHINA
TRADE POLICY, THAT'S STEVE BANNON, WITH AFGHANISTAN, STILL
NOTHING ANNOUNCED AS THE PRESIDENT GRAPPLES WITH WHAT TO
DO NEXT, THAT IS PARTLY BECAUSE STEVE BANNON IS IN HIS EAR
PUSHING SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT STRATEGICALLY THAN H.R.
McMASTER. >> HE MAY BE ON THE WAY OUT --
>> WHEN THE HEADLINES COME OUT, THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T LIKE TO
DEAL WITH THE HEADLINES. THE MORE MEDIA ATTENTION, THE
LESS LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS TO ACT.
>> IT WAS CLEAR THAT BANNON'S INFLUENCE WAS ON DISPLAY ON
SATURDAY. DO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE BELIEVE
THAT GENERAL JOHN KELLY GOT IN A ROOM WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
SAID YOU SHOULDN'T CONDEMN THE KKK, YOU SHOULDN'T CONDEMN
NAZIS. NO, THAT WAS THE INFLUENCE OF
SOMEBODY ELSE ON PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT WAS STEVE BANNON OR DONALD TRUMP
HIMSELF. STEVE BANNON'S JOB IS TO BE KARL
ROVE, VALERIE JARRETT. HE'S SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT TRUMP
IS THINKING BEFORE HE THINKS IT
AND EXPRESS TO TRUMP WHAT HE'S THINKING BEFORE HE KNOWS WHAT
HE'S THINKING. PEOPLE WHO SAY STEVE BANNON IS
THE KEY TO HIS BASE, THE PEOPLE IN TRUMP'S EAR SAYING STEVE
BANNON IS OUR GUY AND IF YOU LET HIM LOOSE, YOU LET US LOOSE AND
THAT REALLY HAS GOTTEN AHOLD HIM.
>> MARK MEADOWS, COMING OUT TO THE NEWS, A LOT OF THEM SAYING
WE LUKE HIM. >> AND A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO
WITH PERCEIVED LEAKS OF McMASTER.
>> THIS LEAKING WORE TO TAKE DOWN McMASTER, STEVE BANNON AND
THE BREITBART PEOPLE, WHO WOULD VIEW AN ATTACK ON McMASTER AS
TREASONOUS AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DONALD TRUMP ABSOLUTELY
DOES NOT UNDERSTAND. >> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
H.R. McMASTER DOESN'T HAVE A CONSTITUENCY AND STEVE BANNON
DOES. THAT GOES BACK TO PUSHING THE
THOUGHT TO HOW DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO MOVE.
WHAT'S THE DOWN SIDE RISK OF ALIENATION OF McMASTER AS POST
TO A ALIENATION OF STEVE BANNON. >> THAT GETS TO WHAT ARE
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S INSTINCTS, HIS IMMEDIATE INSTINCT?
WAS IS TO PUT SALVE TO BALM THE NATION'S WOODS OR TO LET IT
FESTER AND OPEN THE WOUND WIDER? >> SOMEHOW STEVE BANNON IS LEFT
STANDING THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES IN THIS CAMPAIGN IN THIS WHITE
HOUSE. THE PRESIDENT'S LOYALTY TO STEVE
BANNON HAS PREVAILED. >> STEVE BANNON HARDLY KNEW
DONALD TRUMP IN AUGUST OF 2016 AND FOR REASONS OF INCREDIBLE
ALCHEMY AND DESPERATION ON PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PART, HE
SEIZED ON STEVE BANNON AND THEY WERE IN SYNC AND SYMPATICO ABOUT
A REALLY KEY ISSUES THAT TRUMP FOR YEARS HAS TALKED ABOUT,
THINGS HALLIE WAS MENTIONINTION BEFORE, NATIONALISM,
PROTECTIONISM. STEVE BANNON DIDN'T PUT
BIRTHERISM INTO TRUMP'S HEAD. THEY HAD COMMON CAUSE.
PART OF THE REASON IT WORKED IS THAT THE TWO OF THEM WERE ON THE
SAME WAVE LENGTH, WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THAT WAVE LENGTH.
THAT CONNECTION EMBASSY AND FLOWS AND TRUMP SOMETIME GETS
MAD AT BANNON WHEN HE TAKES TOO MUCH CREDIT.
HE SAYS THERE'S THINGS ABOUT ME YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER PEOPLE
DON'T. THERE'S A LANGUAGE THAT THEY
SPEAK WHEN THEY THAT YOU CAN ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE GLOBALISM
AND THEY TALK ABOUT CHINA AND YOUNGSTOWN OHIO AND STEEL
WORKERS AND BANNON'S NATIONALISM, THERE'S JUST A WAY
IN WHICH THEY ARE IN SINGE. TRUMP IS CONTROVERSY AVERSE AND
THERE'S THIS THING ABOUT BANNON WHERE THEY JUST JIVE IN A
CERTAIN WAY. I WOULD NEVER COUNT BANNON OUT
IN ANY OF THESE BATTLES. >> NORTH KOREA SAYS ITS LEADER
HAS REVIEWED PLANS FOR LAUNCHING