FIRST MAJOR HURRICANE TO BE COMING TO THE UNITED STATES
SINCE KATRINA.
WHEN THEY SAY MAJOR I DON'T WANT EVERYONE WHO
LIVED THROUGH SANDY -- I KNOW THAT FELT MAJOR -- BUT THE WAY
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALKS ABOUT IT, A HURRICANE OF
LEVEL 3 IS MAJOR, AND SANDY FOR ALL OF ITS MAYHEM WAS A LEVEL 1
HURRICANE.
WAS AT LEVEL 1 WHEN IT HIT LAND?
IT WAS.
THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THE POWER OF THESE HURRICANES.
HARVEY IS HEADED FOR TEXAS RIGHT NOW, AND DON'T WORRY BECAUSE WE
HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS OFF TO CAMP DAVID, AND WHEN ASKED IF HE
HAD ANY MESSAGE FOR THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS, HE SAID, GOOD LUCK.
THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID.
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY?
THEY ARE ABOUT TO FACE A HURRICANE, WHAT YOU COULD SAY
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM, WE ARE READY --
HE COULD HAVE SAID HECKUVA JOB, BROWNIE.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HECKUVA JOB, BROCKIE.
BECAUSE BROCK LONG
IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF FEMA, NOT THE DIRECTOR, BUT THERE
HASN'T BEEN A DIRECTOR PER SE SINCE 2003, THEY CALL THEM
ADMINISTRATOR -- THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE PEOPLE OF
TEXAS, TO THE GULF COAST, BUT IT'S ALSO A STORY ABOUT HOW WE
MIGHT NOT BE PREPARED, THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T HAVE THE
PIECES IN PLACE NOT JUST AT FEMA, BUT FOR WHAT HAPPENS
AFTERWARDS.
THE EPA HAS CUT SO MUCH UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP
ALREADY THAT THE EPA WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP WHEN THEY GO IN AFTERWARDS IS NOT
NECESSARILY SUFFICIENT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT.
AND
AS TEXAS WILL TELL YOU, THERE IS A LOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
BUT
LET'S TALK ABOUT BROCK LONG FOR A MINUTE, BROCK LONG IS NOW THE
ADMINISTRATOR OF FEMA -- GOOD THING, RIGHT?
LET'S LOOK AT WHAT
BROCK LONG HAS ON HIS RESUME.
HERE HE IS, HE WAS THE HURRICANE
PROGRAM MANAGER AT FEMA FROM NOVEMBER 2001 TO JANUARY 2006,
THAT IS ACCORDING TO HIS LINKEDIN.
YOU KNOW WHAT FALLS IN
THAT LITTLE SPAN OF HURRICANE MANAGEMENT?
LET ME GUESS -- A HURRICANE NAMED KATRINA?
THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU HAVE THE GUY WHO OVERSAW FEDERAL EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT, HURRICANE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, DURING KATRINA.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY HE'S INCAPABLE, ANYONE WOULD HAVE
LEARNED LESSONS FROM WHAT HAPPENED THEN, BUT LET'S GO TO
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A MOMENT AGO ABOUT THE PREPAREDNESS AND
WHAT THERE IS TO BE PREPARED FOR --
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT THERE NOW. AND --
SO WE CAN TALK ALL WE WANT ABOUT OH GOD, THERE HAS NEVER
BEEN A PRESIDENCY LIKE THIS -- BUT WHEN THE REAL STUFF HITS
HOME, WHEN IT MATTERS WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR POLITICS IN
WASHINGTON, THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
ADEPT AT SEEMS AT VERY
LITTLE, CAN'T EVEN PUT THE MANPOWER OR WOMANPOWER IN PLACE
TO HAVE THIS READINESS FOR AFTER THE STORM.
THIS ISN'T DURING THE
STORM, THIS IS AFTER.
HOW DO WE COUNTENANCE THIS?
WHAT DO WE DO?
FOR THOSE WHO WATCHED AGGRESSIVE PROGRESSIVES --
WHAT IS THAT?
THE BEST SHOW ON THE NETWORK.
JIMMY AND I OFTEN TALK ABOUT THE
FAILINGS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, HOW SO OFTEN THEY ARE TOO
CLOSE OR VERY SIMILAR TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
BUT HERE IS
WHERE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THE REPUBLICANS DON'T BELIEVE IN
GOVERNMENT.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE.
THEY DON'T WANT THE
GOVERNMENT TO HAVE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THESE KINDS OF AREAS,
WHERE AS DEMOCRATS DO AND THEY ARE MUCH BETTER PREPARED FOR
STORMS AND CLEANUP AND PREPAREDNESS.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT
THE DAMAGE FROM THESE KIND OF STORMS, WITH THE GLOBAL CLIMATE
CHANGE, IS A FAR GREATER THREAT TO OUR SOCIETY AND OUR SAFETY
THAN, YOU KNOW, TERRORISTS.
TRUMP WASTES ALL THIS TIME WITH
ALL THE TRAVEL BANS FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, AND
HERE WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT'S WOEFULLY UNPREPARED TO
DEAL WITH NATURAL CATASTROPHES THAT WE KNOW WILL HAPPEN.
IT'S A
MATTER OF WHEN, BUT WE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, AND THE NOTION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LEADERS IN
PLACE TO DEAL WITH THE INITIAL STORM ITSELF AND THE INEVITABLE
CLEANUP AFTERWARDS IS APPALLING.
SCOTT PRUITT, THINK ABOUT THIS
GUY, HE'S A PERSON WHO NOW RUNS THE EPA WHO WAS FOR THE LONGEST
TIME ADVOCATING FOR THE DISMANTLING AND ABOLISHING OF
THE EPA.
HE IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW FIGHTING WITH CAREER EPA
ADMINISTRATORS AND OTHER EMPLOYEES OF EPA, HIS WHOLE ROLE
THERE TO GUT IT FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY THERE, BECAUSE
OF WHAT THEY SAY IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK WITH THIS
ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAVE LEFT.
THERE IS EMPTY JOBS THEY ARE
FILLING, BECAUSE THEY WANT
TO GUT THE EPA.
THAT'S ONE THING,
THAT'S NOT CRAZY DANGEROUS -- IT IS, CORRECT MYSELF -- BUT IT'S
NOT IMMEDIATELY CRAZY DANGEROUS, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE AN EMPTY
EPA THAT THE FEAR IS WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THE CLEANUP AND
PROPER MEDIATION AFTERWARDS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MAYBE YOU CAN REMEMBER --
I TRY TO DO THAT A LOT.
IN 1982, MAYBE IT WAS '91, HURRICANE ANDREW, SLOW RESPONSE
BY THE GEORGE HERBERT WALKER ADMINISTRATION, SOME PEOPLE SAY
THAT'S WHY HE LOST FLORIDA TO BILL CLINTON.
IT WAS SUMMER OF 1992.
YOU THINK THE BUSHES WOULD LEARN FROM THAT, THEY DIDN'T,
THEY PUT A HORSE TRAINER IN CHARGE OF HURRICANE RELIEF,
HECKUVA JOB BROWNIE.
NOT ONLY THAT, A BUSH WON THE GOVERNORSHIP OF FLORIDA A FEW
YEARS LATER, SHORT MEMORIES.
STEVE SAYS DEMOCRATS ARE USUALLY BETTER AT THIS KIND OF
THING, BUT FLINT MICHIGAN HASN'T HAD CLEAN WATER SINCE 2014,
BARACK OBAMA DRANK A GLASS OF WATER AND LEFT TOWN.
BUT THE
LAST TIME A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION FACED KATRINA,
THEY FAILED MISERABLY, WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE, DEMOCRATIC
SENATE, AND BARACK OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT.
HOW MUCH DID KATRINA
HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
I SAY A LOT.
TO THAT POINT, JIMMY, AFTER KATRINA HIT, GEORGE BUSH'S
RATINGS FELL BELOW 40% AND NEVER, EVER RECOVERED.
HE WAS IN
THE 30S FOR THE REST OF HIS PRESIDENCY.
AND THERE WAS A DEMOCRATIC FEELING -- A FEELING THAT
DEMOCRATS WERE RIGHT.
IN 2004 JOHN EDWARDS WAS OUT THERE, YOU
WILL REMEMBER SENATOR EDWARDS, SAYING THERE WERE TWO AMERICAS,
AND KATRINA LAID BARE THE FACT THAT WERE TWO AMERICAS.
WHATEVER
HAPPENED TO JOHN EDWARDS, THAT ARGUMENT ENDURED AND THAT HELPED
DEMOCRATS WIN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT YEAR.
SO THE MOOD WAS
CHANGING BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, IN
THE AFTERMATH OF THAT.
JAYAR, HOW MANY STORIES HAVE WE COVERED
HERE, WHERE A HURRICANE COMES, THERE'S LACK OF PREPAREDNESS,
THEN THERE'S THE RELIEF THAT IT DOESN'T HIT --
WE TALKED ABOUT SANDY, YOU SAW THE DEVASTATION, EVEN CHRIS
CHRISTIE AT THAT TIME WAS RESPONDING.
ALSO PEOPLE SAID SANDY GAVE OBAMA A BOOST, LOOK AT CHRIS
CHRISTIE WORKING WITH THIS DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT AND
BOOSTING HIS NUMBERS AND TRYING TO MAKE MICE WITH HIM, WHEN IN
REALITY IT WAS TRYING TO FIX WHAT WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY NO ONE EXPECTED IT TO HAPPEN IN THAT REGION.
I WAS
WONDERING TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS LOOKING UP WHAT HAPPENED
AGAIN, BECAUSE I WAS MENTIONING THIS MORNING, THERE IS HURRICANE
SEASON.
IT'S NOT LIKE THINGS SHOULD SURPRISE YOU, IT'S JUST
PROBABLY THE DEVASTATION OR THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY OF THE STORMS.
KATRINA EVEN, I THINK GUSTAV WAS BEFORE IT, THAT WAS WORSE --
OR WAS IT IVAN?
THE PREPAREDNESS OR WHAT WAS SET TO CONTAIN THESE ON THE
GROUND WAS SET.
THESE THINGS HAPPEN, IT JUST IS A MATTER OF
HOW MUCH WE RESPOND TO TAKING CARE OF THEM ONCE WE DO.
IT'S EARLY TO SAY, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T HAVE A DEVASTATING
EFFECT, BUT ALREADY FEMA HAS SAID TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT,
IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T. BUT
THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERY SEAT FILLED IN THE
AFTERMATH AND THE WORK FOR THE AFTERMATH OF THIS HURRICANE IS
UNBELIEVABLE.
GREG ABBOTT, THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS, REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR, WHO WE RARELY SAY A NICE THING ABOUT BECAUSE I
RARELY HAVE ONE TO SAY, HE'S SAYING THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS
SEEKING SHELTER WILL GET SHELTER.
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE
YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS, BUT HE'S SAYING EVEN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
WILL GET SHELTER IN TEXAS.
THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IT IS
UNBELIEVABLE, BUT HE'S SAYING IT, I THINK THAT'S ALSO
IMPORTANT.
IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS -- IT'S A NEWS
STORY THAT ISN'T A NEWS STORY YET, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE GO INTO THIS LOOKING AT FROM OUR VANTAGE
POINT IS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTERWARDS?
AND AGAIN I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT THE GOVERNMENT
MATTERS.
YOU CAN'T FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE YOURSELF, YOU CAN'T FIGHT
HURRICANES YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE TO MOBILIZE AND HAVE GOVERNMENT
ACTION TO DIRECT THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES NEEDED TO
HOUSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE, TO MOVE THEM TO SAFER AREAS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ALONE,
YOU CAN'T CREATE A CHARITY TO DO THAT, YOU NEED THE ARM OF THE
GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT
SERVICES AND IN SCIENCE, AND THE PRODUCTIVE POWERS OF SCIENCE --
AS JAYAR MENTIONED WE HAVE A WHOLE SEASON OF HURRICANES, THIS
HAPPENS EVERY YEAR, PRIVATE INDUSTRY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT FOR
IT.
IF YOU GO TO THE GULF COAST IN CERTAIN YEARS IT'S CHEAPER,
BECAUSE OF HURRICANE SEASON.
WE KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING, SO WHY
ARE WE SURPRISED WHEN THERE'S A BIG HURRICANE ON ITS WAY AND ALL
MY GOD, WE ARE NOT PREPARED, IT'S ON ACCEPTABLE.
WE NEED
BETTER LEADERSHIP FROM OUR GOVERNMENT THAN WHAT WE GET NOW.
TYT WILL HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE WHENEVER WE CAN, KEEP
WATCHING BECAUSE WE WILL TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY ARE NOT
DOING, AND OF COURSE CITING WHAT IT GO WELL, AND HOPEFULLY BROCK
LONG IS BETTER THAN BROWNIE, WHO WE MISS SO DEARLY.
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