SUPREMACIST THAT'S THE PROBLEM. NO IT ISN'T, MAGGIE HABER MAN,
GO TO SIN JAR, GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST, GO TO MANCHESTER.
>> THAT WAS WEDNESDAY. INSTEAD OF MANCHESTER, WHITE
HOUSE AID SEBASTIAN GORE KA COULD HAVE GONE TO
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, THREE DAYS LATER VIOLENCE ERUPTED
DURING A PLANNED UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY.
WITH WHITE NATIONALIST PROTESTS USING CLUBS AND BRASS KNUCKLES,
INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY. SEVERAL PEOPLE SEVERELY INJURED,
ONE WOMAN WAS KILLED WHEN A CAR RAMMED INTO THE CROWD.
JAMES ALEX FIELDS WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SECOND DEGREE
MURDER ALONG WITH OTHER CRIMES. A FACEBOOK BELONGING TO FIELDS
IS RIDDLED WITH WHITE SUPREMACIST, NAZI, AND PEP EE
THE FROG MEANS TRUMP SUPPORTERS, AS WELL AS PICTURE OF TRUMP ON A
GOLDEN THROWN. THE MAN SAID WHITE SUPREMACISTS
AREN'T THE PROBLEM IS SEBASTIAN GORKA.
YOU WONDER WHAT DOES HE DO TO EARN HIS $150,000 TAXPAYER
FUNDED SALARY. HIS TITLE IS DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO
THE PRESIDENT, WORKED WITH STEVE BANNON, INCLUDES WRITING
BREITBART.COM POSTS ON NATIONAL SECURITY.
APPARENTLY HAS A PROBLEM WITH PAJAMAS.
>> THE MESSAGE I HAVE, IT IS A SIMPLE ONE, BUMPER STICKER,
SHAWN, THE ERA OF THE PAJAMA BOY IS OVER JANUARY 20th, AND THE
ALPHA MALES ARE BACK. >> POOR PAJAMA BOY.
HE HAS A PH.D. FROM A QUESTIONABLE UNIVERSITY IN
BUDAPEST, INSISTS ON BEING REFERRED TO AS DR. GORKA.
CONSIDERS HIMSELF A COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERT, MOST
ACTUAL EXPERTS DIDN'T KNOW HIS NAME EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO.
TRIED TO JOIN NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, WAS DENIED SECURITY
CLEARANCE AND HAS TIES TO ULTRA RIGHT GROUPS IN HUNGARY, WHICH
IS DESCENDED FROM ACTUAL NAZIS. HERE HE IS PROUDLY WEARING THEIR
PIN. HE DENIES TIES TO THE GROUP,
SAID HE WORE IT AS A TRIBUTE TO HIS DAD.
THIS IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT RECENT FIRE BOMBING OF A MOSQUE
IN MINNESOTA. >> GREAT RULE.
ALL INITIAL REPORTS ARE FALSE. YOU HAVE TO CHECK THEM, YOU HAVE
TO FIND OUT WHO THE PERPETRATORS ARE.
WE HAD A SERIES OF CRIMES COMMITTED, ALLEGED HATE CRIMES
BY RIGHT WING INDIVIDUALS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT TURNED OUT
TO BE PROPAGATED FROM THE LEFT. WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE FAKE HATE
CRIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WITH SOME REGULARITY, I THINK IT
IS WISE, DON'T YOU, TO FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON.
>> HE CALLED AN ATTACK ON A MOSQUE A FALSE FLAG.
THIS IS THE GUY WITH THE PRESIDENT'S EAR.
THE GUY WHO SAID DAYS AGO THAT WHITE S SUPREMACISTS ARE NOT TH
PROBLEM. JOINING ME, NATIONAL
SPOKESPERSON FOR MOVE ON.ORG, DANA MILBANK, MSNBC
CORRESPONDENT, GABRIEL SHERMAN, CURT BAR KEL A FORMER
CORRESPONDENT FOR BREITBART. CURT, I AM GOING TO YOU FIRST.
YOU'RE THE MOST FAMILIAR WITH BREITBART WORLD WHERE SEBASTIAN
GORKA CAME FROM. HE DESCRIBES HIMSELF AS AN
EXPERT IN ISLAMIST TERRORISM, NEVER LIVED IN A COUNTRY.
TODAY, THE GLOBAL JIHAD HAS TWO BRANDS.
IT'S A WAR OF SUNNI COKE VERSUS THE SHI'A PEPSI.
HOW DOES THAT PERSON CLAIM TO HAVE ANY CREDENTIALS TO ADVISE
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ON NATIONAL SECURITY?
>> YOU HIGHLIGHTED HIS CREDENTIALS ARE AS YOU REPORTED,
EQUIVALENT OF A MAIL IN DEGREE, LIKE A DOCTOR AT FROM TRUMP
UNIVERSITY. THIS IS SOMEONE THAT ALIGNED
WITH STEVE BANNON, ABLE TO INGRATIATE HIMSELF BY USING
INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC, THE SAME WORLD VIEW OF HATRED AND FEAR
AND ABSURD NOTION THAT AMERICA IS BEING OVERRUN BY MUSLIMS AND
IMMIGRANTS, WILL BE THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR STATE AS WE
KNOW IT. AND STEVE SURROUNDED HIMSELF
WITH LIKE THINKING ALLIES. AND WE SEE THE CONSEQUENCES OF
SURROUNDING YOURSELF WITH THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE AND HOW THEY'RE
ADVISING THE PRESIDENT AND HOW THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS TO AN ACT
OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM BY RACISTS WITH THAT PITIFUL STATEMENT HE
PUT OUT. WHERE DO YOU THINK IT CAME FROM?
THEY'RE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO NOT SAY SOMETHING AS A
RACIALLY MOTIVATED ACT OF DOMESTIC TERROR.
IT'S INTERESTING, THEY'RE QUICK TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS AND
JUDGMENT WHEN IT WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA.
THERE WAS NO OH, LET'S WAIT FOR THE FACTS, NOT DO IT BY
ASSOCIATION, REMEMBER THE VICIOUS ATTACKS AGAINST
PRESIDENT OBAMA DURING THE REVEREND WRIGHT SITUATION.
NOW THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT, IT IS A COMPLETELY
HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARD. >> THE WHITE HOUSE DID ATTEMPT,
THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO A ROLLING WALK BACK OF DONALD
TRUMP'S MILD STATEMENT YESTERDAY THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY
INDIVIDUALS' SPECIFIC NAMES. THEY PUT OUT A STATEMENT THAT
THE PRESIDENT SAID VERY STRONGLY IN A STATEMENT HE CONDEMNS ALL
FORMS OF VIOLENCE OR HATRED. >> IT IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE
SAYING IT, NOT DONALD TRUMP. >> THEY SAY INCLUDES, THEY'RE
INCLUDING THEM IN THE BANNING OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS, NEONAZI AND
EXTREMIST GROUPS. DANA, IT IS INTERESTING, I USED
TO BLOG. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST
BLOGGERS, YOU HAVE THIS BLOGGER CONTINGENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE
BETWEEN BANNON WHO RAN BREITBART, GORKA NEVER LIVED IN
A MUSLIM COUNTRY, HE WAS FIRED FROM A GIG, USED TO LECTURE THE
FBI EMPLOYEES ON COUNTERTERRORISM ISSUES BUT THEY
HAD TO FIRE HIM BECAUSE OF ANTI-MUSLIM DIATRIBES.
HOW DOES SOMEBODY LIKE THIS GET PAST THE DOOR, I KNOW HE DOESN'T
HAVE SECURITY CLEARANCE, HOW IS HE IN THE DOOR?
>> TALKING SOMEBODY DRAMATICALLY UNQUALIFIED TO BE SERVING IN THE
POSITION HE IS IN. I CAN THINK OF SOMEBODY ELSE IN
THE WHITE HOUSE DRAMATICALLY UNQUALIFIED.
IN FAIRNESS, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING
THIS GUY DOESN'T BELONG HERE. EVEN IN STEVE BANNON WORLD
SAYING THIS GOES TOO FAR. ONE GUY FOR WHOM HE DOESN'T GO
TOO FAR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
IN SOME WAYS, GORKA IS THE IT OF THE PRESIDENT.
HE DOES WHAT THE PRESIDENT DOES, HE IS EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS, LESS
TETHERED TO THE FACTS, FOR EXAMPLE, TALKING ABOUT HOW WHITE
NATIONALISTS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, VIOLENCE BY WHITE
SUPREMACISTS IS HIGHER SINCE 9/11 THAN IT HAS BEEN.
I THINK IT IS TRUMP'S IT OUT THERE.
>> ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE LIKES SEBASTIAN GORKA, THIS IS
IN THE WAKE OF DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE IS GOING TO RAIN FIRE
AND FURY LIKE NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE ON NORTH KOREA,
EVERYBODY WENT WHAT, EXCEPT SEBASTIAN GORKA WHO DID THIS ON
FOX. >> HE IS SAYING DON'T TEST
AMERICA AND DON'T TEST DONALD J. TRUMP.
WE ARE NOT JUST A SUPER POWER. WE WERE A SUPER POWER, WE ARE
NOW A HYPER POWER. NOBODY IN THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY
NOT NORTH KOREA COMES CLOSE TO CHALLENGING OUR MILITARY
CAPABILITIES. >> HALF EXPECTED HIM TO SAY WE
HAVE DIE LITHIUM CRYSTALS. >> WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT, WE
ARE A HYPER POWER NOW. >> I MEAN, LOOK, AS YOU WERE
SAYING, FOR DONALD TRUMP, HIS QUALIFICATIONS THAT HE COULD GO
ON TV AND SPEW THIS TYPE OF UGLINESS AND BIZARRENESS, AND
ATTACK THE PRESS, HE DOES THAT A LOT.
THAT'S REALLY -- HE GOES ON TV TO FAN THE FLAMES OF WHITE
SUPREMACY. THERE'S A STORY IN "ROLLING
STONE" SAYS JOHN KELLY HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET RID OF HIM, TRYING
TO FIGURE ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT HIM IN GOVERNMENT, NOBODY WANTS
HIM. ONLY DONALD TRUMP WANTS HIM.
>> MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE PERSONALITY.
GABRIEL SHERMAN, YOU STUDY THE FOX WORLD, HE IS A FREQUENT
FIGURE ON FOX. THIS KIND OF FIGURE IS VERY
POPULAR THERE. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP WATCHES
THAT CHANNEL RELENTLESSLY. IS THERE A SENSE AMONG PEOPLE
THAT WORK IN THAT WORLD THAT THEY NEED TO CULTIVATE THESE
KIND OF PERSONALITIES, IN PART BECAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE LIKE
SEAN HANNITY INFLUENCE AT THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK NOT ONLY FOX HAS TO CULTIVATE SEB GORKA, IT IS THE
REVERSE HE IS WILLING TO GO ON AND SAY WHAT MANY OF THE FOX
AUDIENCE BELIEVE. IF ANYTHING WAS REVEALED BY THE
2016 ELECTION, THE FOX AUDIENCE IS THE TRUMP BASE AND FOX MADE
THE PROGRAMMING CALCULUS THAT THEY NEED TO REFLECT THESE WORLD
VIEWS FROM A RATINGS, PROGRAMMING PERSPECTIVE.
JUST REWIND TO WHEN MEGYN KELLY WAS FEUDING WITH DONALD TRUMP,
HER PRODUCER SAW HER RATINGS GO DOWN ANY TIME SHE SAID SOMETHING
THAT WAS CRITICAL OF DONALD TRUMP.
SO THE SORT OF AMPLIFICATION OF THESE OUTRAGEOUS TRUMP VOICES
THAT WE SEE ON HANNITY OR FOX AND FRIENDS IS REALLY APPEALING
TO THE CORE FOX NEWS VIEWER. >> I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN
CHARLOTTESVILLE MIGHT CHANGE -- THERE WAS A REPORT PUBLISHED
ABOUT TRUMP BELIEVING BANNON IS LEAKING AND HIS LEAKS ARE
TARGETING GENERAL H.R. McMASTER,
PUTTING BANNON'S JOB IN JEOPARDY.
COULD THE ONE THING THAT COULD DISLODGE THE BANNONITES, THE
IDEA HE COULD PUSH HIM OUT FOR LEAKING IF NOT BEING ON THE ALT
RIGHT. >> I FEEL THIS IS THE THIRD OR
FOURTH IT RACIAL THAT TRUMP IS NOT HAPPY.
FIRST THE "TIME" MAGAZINE, PORTRAYALS OF STEVE AS THE MAN
BEHIND TRUMP, THE BRAIN BEHIND TRUMP WHICH OBVIOUSLY HE DIDN'T
LIKE. TRUMP WAS UPSET ABOUT HIS
COOPERATION AND ROLE IN JOSHUA GREEN'S BOOK, AND NOW THIS
ASSAULT THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM PLATFORMS LIKE BREITBART THAT
BANNON PROBABLY STILL CONTROLS OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, GOING
AFTER McMASTER. NOT A HARD STRETCH TO BELIEVE IT
IS COMING FROM STEVE OR PEOPLE CONTROLLED BY STEVE THAT WORK
INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. YEAH.
AT SOME POINT FOR ALL OF THE GRANDIOSE WE SEE ABOUT WE NEED
TO GO AFTER LEAKS, STOP ANONYMOUS SOURCES AND RHETORIC
FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL SESSIONS,
LIKELY BIGGEST PERSON WHO DOES THIS DAY-IN AND DAY-OUT IS HIS
CHIEF STRATEGIST. >> THE GUY WITH THE BLOG.
DANA, THIS IS HR McMASTER THIS MORNING BEING MORE DEFINITIVE ON
WHAT HAPPENED IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.
TAKE A LISTEN. >> I THINK WHAT TERRORISM IS IS
USE OF VIOLENCE TO INCITE TERROR AND FEAR.
CERTAINLY IT WAS TERRORISM. I THINK WE CAN CALL IT A FORM OF
TERRORISM. >> WHO IS IN GREATER JEOPARDY OF
THEIR JOB, STEVE BANNON OR HR McMASTER.
>> McMASTER IS DOING CLEANUP, PERPETUAL CLEANUP OF WHAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SAYING F FOR SIX MONTHS NOW.
OF COURSE, McMASTER HAS LESS STAYING POWER THERE.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BANNON, GORKA, THEY'RE THERE
BECAUSE THEY SPEAK TO TRUMP SPACE.
THEY WOULD BE HAPPY WITH HIM SUSPENDING THE 2020 ELECTION.
CAN'T GO TOO FAR FOR THAT. TRUMP CAN'T GET RID OF THEM, OR
IF HE COULD INDIVIDUALLY NOT FOR THAT SEGMENT OF THE WHITE HOUSE
THAT'S SPEAKING TO THESE PEOPLE, McMASTER IS EXPENDABLE LIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE. >> I WONDER, GABE, IF IN FOX
WORLD, WE MAY HAVE TO -- QUICKLY, IN FOX WORLD, WHAT
WOULD BE THE PUNISHMENT. WHO WOULD BE PUNISHED IF
McMASTER WAS PUSHED OUT. WOULD THAT SHAKE THE FOX TRUMP
BASE AT ALL OR WOULD THEY DECIDE THAT IF YOU PUSHED OUT BANNON,
HE MUST BACK OUT. >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION. I THINK REALLY THEIR LOYALTY IS
TO DONALD TRUMP, NOT TO STEVE BANNON OR THE ALT RIGHT.
I THINK TO THE EXTENT THEY WOULD PROGRAM AND WANT TO REFLECT THAT
DECISION TO HELP TRUMP, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CALCULUS.
>> YOU CAN LOOK TO THE CHANGE OF WIKILEAKS WHERE THEY MIGHT GO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>> UP NEXT.
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