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THAT WAS ABC'S JIMMY KIMMEL TRASHING THE NEWLY RESURRECTED
REPUBLICAN EFFORT TO REPEAL OBAMACARE.
THE GRAHAM-KASTY BILL. THE SEVEN-YEAR QUEST HAS TAKEN
ON NEW LIFE THIS WEEK CHBLGS PEOPLE START TO THINK IT HAS A
CHANCE. >> MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE
CERTAINLY RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT IF WE DON'T PASS SOMETHING
OBAMACARE REMAINS THE LAW OF THE LAND.
ANYBODY SAYING IT DOESN'T DO ENOUGH, WELL A NEW VOTE LEAVES
100% OF OBAMACARE IN PLACE. >> MITCH McCONNELL DECIDED TO
BRING THE BILL OUT FOR A VOTE NEXT WEEK.
THE RENEWED PUSH HAS LEFT THE SENATORS SCRAMBLING.
REPUBLICANS HAVE 11 DAY TO PASS THE BILL USES THE PROCESS THAT
KEEPS THE MINORITY DEMOCRATS FROM BLOCKING THE PROPOSAL.
HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE LEGISLATION.
IF ENACTED IT WOULD REPLACE OBAMACARE'S INSURANCE SUBSIDIES
WITH LUMP SUM GRANTS TO STATES, IT WOULD END THE MANDATE, IT
WOULD END REQUIREMENTS THAT EMPLOYERS PROVIDE HEALTH CARE TO
THEIR WORKERS AND END THE REQUIREMENT THAT INSURERS CAN'T
DENY COVERAGE OR CHARGE FOR FOR PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.
SOMETHING PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF PROMISED HE WOULDN'T DO.
WHAT'S NOT IN THE BILL? OPIOID FUNDING, A FORMER MUST
HAD FOR MODERATE REPUBLICANS WHOSE STATES HAVE BEEN HIT WITH
THE EPIDEMIC.
SENATOR LISA MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA AND SENATOR JOHN McCAIN.
REPUBLICANS HAVE ONE FIRM NOW, THAT'S RAND PAUL OF KENTUCKY.
>> THIS IS NOT REPEAL. IT'S NOT EVEN -- IT'S BARELY

IT KEEPSOBAMACARE. >> HE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE TWO
VOTES. THE BILL IS LOSING SUPPORT FROM
BIG STATE GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY LIKE GOVERNOR CHRIS
CHRISTIE OF NEW JERSEY AND YESTERDAY A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF
TEN GOVERNORS OPPOSED THE BILL BECAUSE OF ITS PARTISAN
APPROACH. FOR MORE MORE NOW I'M JOINED BY
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH OF OHIO. THANK YOU.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BILL? >> WELL, CHRIS, WHAT IT DOES IS
IT TAKES THE MEDICAID EXPANSION, ALONG WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS
SET ASIDE TO PROVIDE SUBSIDIES TO PEOPLE SO THEY COULD BUY
HEALTH CARE, IT CUTS IT RIGHT OFF OF THE BAT BY 17%.
IT HAS NO GUARDRAILS TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MENTALLY ILL,
THE DRUG ADDICTED THE CHRONICALLY ILL.
AND YOU MENTIONED THE BUSINESS OF THE PREEXISTING CONDITION.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT, THEY CANNOT DENY YOU COVERAGE FOR
PREEXISTING CONDITIONS BUT THEY CAN CHARGE YOU WHAT THEY WANT.
SO IF THE COST BECOMES UNAFFORDABLE, IT DOESN'T MATTER
WHAT THEY SAY. SO, CHRIS, LOOK, HICKENLOOPER,
THE DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR OF COLORADO, MYSELF, BRIAN SANDOVAL
WHO IS HEAD OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION, WE CAME
UP WITH A PROPOSAL TO STABILIZE THE INSURANCE MARKET.
IT'S BIPARTISAN. IT STARTED TO GAIN SOME GROUND
OR THE NOTION THAT WE COULD DO THIS IN A BIPARTISAN WAY,
STABILIZE THE INSURANCE MARKETS AND DEAL WITH MEDICAID LATER.
THEN ALL OF THE SUDDEN THAT KIND OF GOT SNUFFED OUT.
SO NOW WE HAVE THIS BILL. WE WON'T HAVE A CONGRESSIONAL
BUDGET OFFICE SCORE, WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THE DAMAGE OF IT IS.
BUT IF YOU'RE CUTTING STUFF THAT MUCH, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR
THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOSSES FOR PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. THE BILL DOESN'T AFFECT ME.
I'M ONLY GOVERNOR FOR 15 MONTHS OR WHATEVER.
BUT IN THE FUTURE IT COULD HAVE A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON PEOPLE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NUMBERS. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE.
>> WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP ON HEALTH CARE.
SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS -- OF COURSE BERNIE SANDERS FROM
VERMONT WHO ALMOST WON THE NOMINATION OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY IS PUSHING THE MEDICARE FOR ALL HE CALLS IT.
THAT'S SORT OF ON THE PROGRESSIVE OR LEFT SIDE.
>> HARD LEFT SIDE. >> I CAN ACCEPT THAT.
WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN -- WHERE IS THE CENTRIST REPUBLICAN VOTE?
WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT HEALTH CARE, A
NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM SORT OF LIKE THE ONE FOR THE HERITAGE
FOUNDATION LIKE OBAMA CREATED OR NOTHING IN.

WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND BUY INSURANCE, THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM
THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET SOME SUBSIDIES SO THEY CAN AFFORD THE
COVERAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO
REFORM MEDICAID TO GIVE OURSELVES SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY
BUT WITH GUARDRAILS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
PROPOSED IN OUR INSURANCE REFORM WAS TO GIVE STATES THE
FLEXIBILITY TO CREATE THEIR OWN PROGRAM AND LET STATES THAT WANT
TO SUPPORT OBAMA CARE COULD STILL DO IT.
AND IF REPUBLICANS OR ANY GOVERNOR WANTED TO HAVE MORE
FLEXIBILITY, THEY HAD TO MEET A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
YOU JUST COULDN'T OFFER SOMEB SY COVERAGE THAT WASN'T MEANINGFUL
AND SECONDLY YOU COULDN'T DROP A BUNCH OF COVERAGE FOR A
POPULATION. AND IT STILL CONTINUED TO SAY
THAT WE NEED TO COVER PEOPLE FOR PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS CAN BE DONE. AND THEY WERE STARTING DOWN THE
RIGHT ROAD, LAMAR ALEXANDER, PATTY MURRAY AND THEN ALL OF THE
SUDDEN, SMELLS A LITTLE BIT LIKE POLITICS TO ME, THE THING WAS
DECLARED DEAD. WE'RE IN A PING-PONG MATCH.
YOU AND I WORKED TOGETHER ON CAPITOL HILL.
NOTHING CAN BE SUSTAINED THAT IS JUST ONE PARTY.
KNOCK THE BALL OVER, THEN THE REPUBLICANS KNOCK THE BALL OVER.
IT'S LIKE A PING-PONG MATCH AND YOU KNOW WHO LOSES IN A BING
PONG MATCH? THE PUBLIC.
>> YOU'VE SAID THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BEFORE WE HAD OBAMACARE WE HAD NOTHING.
THEN WE HAVE OBAMACARE WHICH ISN'T PERFECT.
EVERYBODY ADMITS THAT. MODERATE DEMOCRATS AND ROPS
AGREE IT'S A MISTAKE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOMETHING
THAT'S SQUARE ONE. WE'RE GOING TO A HYBRID,
SOMETHING OF OBAMACARE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
WHY DON'T WE AGREE TO FIX OBAMACARE.
>> THAT'S WHAT HICKENLOOPER AND A LOT OF US PROPOSED, GETS THE
MARKET STABILIZED AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO TURN TO MEDICAID
AND FUNDAMENTAL REFORM OF HEALTH CARE AND MEDICARE AND SOCIAL
SECURITY, BECAUSE THESE ENTITLEMENTS HAVE TO BE BROUGHT
UNDER CONTROL. YOU KNOW, LOOK, MY SENSE IS THAT
OBAMACARE WAS VERY FLAWED BUT THERE'S WAY TO FIX IT IF WE DO
IT TOGETHER. YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WROTE THE
WELFARE REFORM BILL. IT WAS A GIVE AND TAKE AND THE
WELFARE REFORM BILL PASSED IN '96, '97, IT'S STILL IN PLACE.
NEEDS REFORMED BUT STILL IN PLACE.
>> WHERE ARE YOU IN POLITICS RIGHT NOW.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE ENDING YOUR GOVERNORSHIP IN LESS THAN A
YEAR AND A HALF. DO YOU PLAN TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
IN 2020? >> I DON'T PLAN ANYTHING OTHER
THAN GET THROUGH TODAY. HOPEFULLY THIS INTERVIEW DOESN'T
SCREW ME UP. BE A GOOD GOVERNOR AND I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BRING.
I WANT TO HAVE A VOICE OUT THERE AP HONESTLY AS HARD AS IT IS TO
BELIEVE, I KNOW THINGS WILL HAPPEN THAT WILL BE GOOD.
THE LORD WILL FULFILL THE PURPOSE OF MY LIFE AND I'LL GO
WITH IT. I'M NOT PANICKED.
DO I SEEM PANICKED? >> I DON'T THINK YOU ARE.

BOOTH AND YOU HAD TWO NAMES ON THE BALLOT, ONE IS BERNIE
SANDERS AND ONE IS DONALD TRUMP, WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR?
>> I'M NOT VOTING FOR BERNIE SANDERS, HE'S HARD LEFT.
THAT'S NOT A CHOICE I HAVE TO FACE.
>> CAN YOU OFFER YOURSELF AS AN ALTERNATIVE, A THIRD PARTY
CANDIDATE? >> CHRIS, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING
TO PLAN OTHER THAN TO HAVE AN ORGANIZATION SO I CAN DO THESE
KINDS OF THINGS THAT I'M DOING AND SAY THE THINGS THAT I'M
SAYING NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT?
THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME ON YOUR SHOW AND TALK
ABOUT THIS THAT ARE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY GET OUCHED.
I CAN DO IT AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS.
MAYBE I CAN COHOST HARDBALL, YOU NEVER KNOW.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. KEEPING ALL OF YOUR OPTIONS
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