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WHEN YOU GO OUT. >> DON'T SCREW IT UP.
THIS IS NEW YORK, DON'T SCREW IT PUP.
>> OKAY. >> AS WE TURN NOW FROM HISTORIC
BASEBALL TO, OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW --
>> FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. >> A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, JON
MEACHAM. >> THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS COULD
JUST BE THE BEGINNING. MAYBE THEY GET MANAFORT.
MAYBE THEY GET MANAFORT AND PODESTA, YOU DON'T KNOW, MAYBE
THEY GET MANAFORT -- TONY PODESTA, OF COURSE, MAYBE THEY
GET MANAFORT ON A LESSER CHARGE AND GET HIM TO START TALKING.
I MEAN WELL, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE DO KNOW,
IT BEGINS TODAY. >> YOU KNOW, CHURCHHILL ONCE
SAID IT'S NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE END, BUT IT'S THE END OF THE
BEGINNING. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY
APPLICABLE HERE. CLEARLY IF THIS REPORTING IS
ACCURATE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL HAS FOUND SUFFICIENT CAUSE AND
SOME AMERICANS ON GRAND JURY TO SAY THAT THERE'S A REASONABLE
SUSPICION THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT WRONGDOING,
PRESUMABLY INVOLVING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CIRCLE, AT LEAST, AND
WHETHER THIS IS A CHESS MOVE TO FLIP SOMEONE LOWER ON THE CHAIN
OR WHETHER IT'S A VERY INTERESTING OTHER WAY WE'LL FIND
OUT SOON. >> ONE THING WE DO KNOW, KATTY,
THE FRANTIC TWEETS AND THE INEXPLICABLE OP-EDS FROM LAST
WEEK, THE INEXPLICABLE EDITORIALS, THE INEXPLICABLE
ATTACKS ON HILLARY CLINTON, SOMEBODY WHO LOST A YEAR AGO,
RIGHT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ALL KNEW THIS WAS COMING.
EVERYBODY IS FRANTIC INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR SOME TIME.
THE REPUBLICANS ALL LAST WEEK WERE TRYING TO GO AFTER A MAN OF
THE UTMOST INTEGRITY AND TRY TO SOIL HIS NAME.
>> KIND OF PLUMES OF SMOKE COMING FROM DONALD TRUMP'S PHONE
YESTERDAY MORNING AS HE WAS, YOU KNOW -- TWO FOLD, ONE, SEEMED TO
REFLECT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISQUIET IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND
SECOND, GOING BACK TO THE OLD TACTIC THAT HE HAS OF
DEFLECTION. I'M UNDER ATTACK ON RUSSIA SO I
WILL ATTACK OUT ON RUSSIA WHICH WHAT IS HE WAS DOING ON HILLARY
CLINTON TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
I THINK THE ISSUE WILL BE, WHEN THE INDICTMENT COMES, WHO THEY
ARE AND WHAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT MIGHT GET CLOSER TO THE
WHITE HOUSE. SO WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF
IT'S PAUL MANAFORT, SOMEONE CLOSE TO PAUL MANAFORT, HOW MUCH
DO THEY KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP MIGHT HAVE KNOWN.
>> AND WHAT'S INTERESTING, MIKA, IF IT IS MANAFORT, YOU KNOW, A
LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL THEY'LL PARDON -- DONALD TRUMP
WILL PARDON WHOMEVER AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S, OF COURSE, THAT STARTS THE NOT SO LONG MARCH TO
IMPEACHMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHETHER IT'S NOW OR A YEAR FROM
NOW, BUT IF IT'S MANAFORT, NEW YORK IS GOING AFTER HIM NOW.
SO DONALD TRUMP'S PARDONS WON'T TOUCH --
>> WON'T APPLY. >> ANY CHARGES AGAINST MANAFORT
WHICH WILL, OBVIOUSLY, BE BROUGHT IN THE STATE OF NEW
YORK. >> SO BEFORE WE GET CLINT IN
HERE, GO THROUGH THE DETAILS, AT ANY MOMENT ONE OR MORE PEOPLE
COULD BE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AFTER A FEDERAL GRAND JURY
APPROVED ITS FIRST CHARGES IN BOB MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION INTO
ANY LINKS OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
AND THOSE TIED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
KEY FIGURES IN MUELLER'S PROBE INCLUDE FORMER WHITE HOUSE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MICHAEL FLYNN, WHO LEFT THE
WHITE HOUSE AFTER CONTROVERSY OVER HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR, AND LATER, REGISTERED AS A FOREIGN
AGENT FOR HIS WORK FOR TURKEY DURING THE CAMPAIGN, WHICH WAS
UNDISCLOSED ON HIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORT.
AND FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST AND CHAIRMAN PAUL
MANAFORT, IN JUNE, MANAFORT RETROACTIVELY REGISTERED AS A
FOREIGN AGENT FOR HIS WORK WITH A PRO-RUSSIAN UKRAINIAN
POLITICAL PARTY AND MUELLER'S TEAM RAIDED MANAFORT'S VIRGINIA
HOME IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS LAST JULY.
POLITICO REPORTS THAT MUELLER'S PROSECUTORS BROUGHT THE REALTOR
WHO HELPED MANAFORT BUY THE ALEXANDRIA APARTMENT BEFORE A
GRAND JURY LAST WEEK. IN AN INTERVIEW WITH "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" ON THURSDAY BEFORE NEWS OF AN IMPENDING INDICTMENT
WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL COUNSEL TY COBB SAID OF MANAFORT AND FLYNN,
THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONCERNS IN TERMS OF ANY IMPACT AS TO WHAT
HAPPENS TO THEM ON HIS CAMPAIGN OR ON THE WHITE HOUSE.
I THINK HE WOULD BE SAD FOR THEM AS A FRIEND AND A FORMER
COLLEAGUE IF THE PROCESS RESULTS IN PUNISHMENT OR INDICTMENTS,
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S BEYOND HIS
CONTROL. >> CLINT --
>> WOW. >> SO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON
THIS MONDAY MORNING AS WE MOVE TOWARDS AN INDICTMENT OF AT
LEAST ONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S MEN?
>> YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CASE
THAT'S GONE ON THE LONGEST IS THE ONE YOU SUSPECT NOW,
MANAFORT. THIS IS GOING BACK OVER A YEAR.
>> YEAH. >> THINK ABOUT IT, WE'VE SEEN
THE MOST AGGRESSIVE ACTION IN THAT CASE.
YOU CAN LOOK AT MANAFORT'S TEAM. HE MADE A SWITCH IN HIS LEGAL
TEAM A WHILE BACK FOCUSING ON TAXES.
THERE COULD BE LOTS OF CHARGES THAT COME THROUGH THAT.
MONEY LAUNDERING KIND OF CHARGE, TAX EVASION.
SO ALL OF IT WOULD MAKE ME THINK THAT.
BUT YOU ALSO LOOK AT FLYNN, I MEAN, FLYNN HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
MANY MONTHS NOW IN THIS INVESTIGATION, THIS GOES RIGHT
AFTER THE INAUGURATION, SO IF IT WAS MAKING FALSE OFFICIAL
STATEMENT OR NOT DISCLOSING SOMETHING ON YOUR SF-86, YOUR
SECURITY CLEARANCE FORM, THAT COULD BE A BIG PART OF IT AS
WELL. I THINK AS WE LOOK FORWARD WHAT
PEOPLE SHOULD REMEMBER IS THEY DON'T ALWAYS GO OUT AND DO A
HIGH-PROFILE ARREST IN THESE CASES, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S
WHITE COLLAR. IT'S VERY COMMON TO NOTIFY THE
LAWYER OF THE PERSON AND SAY WOULD YOU TURN YOURSELF IN, AT A
PREVIOUS DISCLOSED TIME. THAT MAY BE GOING ON TODAY.
WE MAY NOT SEE THE TYPICAL FBI SPECTACULAR ARREST SCENE PEOPLE
THINK OF IN TELEVISION. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT
WAY. >> YEAH.
THE QUESTION FOR YOU, CLINT, IT COULD BE NOT NECESSARILY
MANAFORT OR FLYNN, BUT SOMEBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
>> IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW IN A LOT OF BIG
INVESTIGATIONS YOU START WITH VERY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE
LOWER ON THE TOTEM POLE AND MARCH YOUR WAY UP.
THIS COULD BE SOMEBODY WE'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT HAS NOT MADE
THE NEWS. >> THE WHITE HOUSE HAS NO CLUE,
IT APPEARS, FROM WHAT WE KNOW EVEN PERSONALLY THE PHONE LINES
WERE BURNING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WITH LAST-MINUTE ATTEMPTS TO TRY
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AS WE MENTIONED -- GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS A HUGE TEST OF BOB
MUELLER'S TOO. WE FOCUS ON HIS INTEGRITY FOR
THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE FOCUS ON HOW SERIOUS HE IS, WELL
REASON HPTSED HE IS AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN
SAID ON THIS SHOW AND OTHERS IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND A LINK
TO THE PRESIDENT IN SOME OF THIS RIGHT AWAY, I HEAR EVERYTHING
YOU'RE SAYING, CLINT, IT MAY BE SOMEONE LOW LEVEL, THIS IS A
POLITICIZED CONVERSATION AS WELL, SO I'M GOING TO BE
CURIOUS, I THINK THIS IS AS MUCH A TEST OF MUELLER TODAY, WHETHER
IT'S FAIR OR NOT, AS ANYTHING ELSE.
JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT, BUT SO MUCH YOU
AND MIKA, SO MUCH POLITIZATION AROUND THIS, THIS IS A BIG
MOMENT, IF IT'S NOT SOMEONE YOU CAN DIRECTLY LINK TO THE WHITE
HOUSE OR AROUND THE PRESIDENT'S FAMILY OR SOMEONE, I THINK SOME
PEOPLE WILL LOSE SOME INTEREST AND MAY SEE MORE EDITORIALS LIKE
IN "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL." I HAVE NO CLUE, BUT I DO THINK
AGAIN BE THIS IS A TEST FOR MR. MUELLER AS WELL.
>> AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT GOING TO START BY INDICTING
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DRAW
SOMETHING. BECAUSE THE INTEREST HERE IS
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
>> AT THE SAME TIME IF SOMEBODY BROKE THE LAW SOMEBODY BROKE THE
LAW. IF FLYNN BROKE THE LAW WHEN HE
WAS IN A POSITION WHERE HE WAS ABOUT TO BE OUR NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISER, POSSIBLY THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION AROUND A
PRESIDENT IN KEEPING THIS COUNTRY SAFE --
>> THAT TOUCHES THE PRESIDENT. >> THEN THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE
PRESIDENT. IF IT'S PAUL MANAFORT, A GUY THE
PRESIDENT SELECTED EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A QUESTIONABLE BACKGROUND
AND THIS GUY IS RUNNING THE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN DOGO TO THE
RNC LIKE WAIT A SECOND WHY ARE WE CHANGING THE PLATFORM.
WEREN'T WE REPUBLICANS SUPPOSED TO BE TOUGH ON RUSSIA, TOUGH ON
THE SOVIET UNION, TOUGH ON PUTIN.
WAIT A SECOND NOW SUDDENLY WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE PLATFORM AND
THEN WE FIND OUT IT'S PAUL MANAFORT AND YOU HAVE DON JR.,
MANAFORT, JARED, YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT MEETING
AND THIS MEETING WE KEEP LEARNING MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE
MEETING AND JOHN JR.'S OFFICE WHICH THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS
OFF, ACTUALLY, AS WHAT ARE THEY CALL IT AGAIN, OPPOSITION
RESEARCH. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, YOU
KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FORMER SOVIET LEADERS OR RUSSIANS OR
CHINESE IN MY OFFICE. >> ARE YOU SURE?
>> BY THE WAY, NOT ONLY DID WE NOT HAVE ANY RUSSIANS, NOT ONLY
WE, BUT NOBODY WE EVER KNEW IN POLITICS EVER TOOK A MEETING
WITH AN ENBE MY WHICH RUSSIA CONSIDERS ITSELF, AN ENEMY OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. A LITTLE CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN,
LET ALONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
THERE IS SMOKE THERE, THERE IS FIRE THERE.
WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE RUSSIAN LAWYER WHO WAS THERE WHO
ACTUALLY WENT BACK, GAVE HER INFORMATION TO A RUSSIAN AGENT.
THEY WERE ALL PART OF SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER.
AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I SUSPECT BOB
MUELLER VERY CAREFUL GUY, MUELLER IS NOT GOING TO SWING
FOR THE FENCES. HE'S GOING TO -- IN BASEBALL
WORDS HE'S GOING FOR A SINGLE, AND HE'S GOING TO GET IT.
>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE TO REMEMBER AND I AGREE WITH
HAROLD ON THIS, THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DOES HAVE SOME
BOUNDARIES ON TIME. SO HE --
>> RIGHT. >> NORMAL --
>> ONLY POINT I MAKE. >> A NORMAL INVESTIGATION, YOU
KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS LONG IN A WHITE COLLAR CASE OR SOMETHING
LIKE THIS, HE'S REALLY GOT A VERY SHORT TIME TO ADVANCE THE
BALL ON THIS CASE. SO I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED LIKE
HAROLD SAID IF HE IS MAKING DELIBERATE STEPS TO SHOW
PROGRESS. >> FROM WHAT MIKA AND I HEARD
YESTERDAY, JOHN, THIS IS GOING TO GET CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT,
AN INDICTMENT WILL GET CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT BASED ON ALL THE
REPORTING WE DID YESTERDAY. IT MAY NOT BE TODAY, BUT IT'S
GETTING CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT. >> YEAH.
>> AND ONE OF THE GREAT QUESTIONS AND THE LAST NINE
MONTHS, TEN MONTHS SHOW US THAT I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF REASON
TO WORRY, IS HOW DOES THE PRESIDENT POLITICALLY AND
CONSTITUTIONALLY REACT TO A LEGAL PROVOCATION.
AND I THINK WE SAW YESTERDAY MORNING IN THAT SERIES OF TWEETS
THAT, YOU KNOW, NIXON SPOKE TO THE PORTRAITS, TRUMP WAS
TWEETING AT THEM YESTERDAY. >> YES.
>> AND I THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT QUESTION HERE OF,
DOES HE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RESTRAIN HIMSELF.
>> NO. >> OR WILL HE --
>> NO? >> IN A FIT OF FURY --
>> LET ME ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. >> THE VIEWER DECIDE WITH THE
TWEETS. >> NO, HE DOES NOT.
>> JOE CAN ANSWER. >> POLITICALLY THE DAMAGING PART
OF THIS, MAY NOT COME WITH THE INDICTMENTS TODAY.
>> NO. IT'S GOING TO BE HIS RESPONSE.
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