Heilemann: Donna Brazile's Book Shocking For Exposing 'Collusion' | Morning Joe

>>> DO YOU THINK, THOUGH, THAT WHAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM DONNA
BRAZILE'S BOOK SUGGESTS THE COMPANY, WHAT THE NATIONAL
COMMITTEE DID MEANT THIS ELECT WAS RIGGED?
>> I THINK IT WAS. >> IT'S A PRETTY POWERFUL
CHARGE. >> WELL, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON NOW
AS DEMOCRATS IS WE RECOGNIZE THE PROCESS WAS RIGGED AND NOW IT IS
UP TO DEMOCRATS TO BUILD A NEW PROCESS, A PROCESS THAT REALLY
WORKS AND WORKS FOR EVERYONE. >> AND THAT WASN'T THE ONLY TIME
SENATOR ELIZABETH WAR REP SAID THAT YESTERDAY.
SHE IS REACTING TO DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CHAIR WOMAN DONE THAT
BRAZIL THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WAS RICKED IN FAVOR OF
HILLARY CLINTON. SHE TOOK THE EVERYBODY OF THE
CONVENTION WHEN CONGRESSMAN DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ
RESIGNED AFTER PARTY OFFICIALS INTERNALLY CRITICIZED THE
CAMPAIGN. WRITING IN POLITICO, BRAZIL SAYS
AFTER BECOMING INTERIM CHAIR SHE DISCOVERED A FUND RAISING DEAL
THAT ALLOWED CHECKPOINT'S COMPANY TO CONTROL THE
CASH-STRAPPED DNC BEFORE SHE WON THE NOMINATION.
BRAZIL SAYS SHE BROKE THE NEWS TO BERNIE SANDERS TWO MONTHS
BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECT. LE TOOK IT STOICALLY AND DID NOT
YELL OR EXPRESS ANGER. SHE WRITES, OBAMA LEFT THE PARTY
$24 MILLION IN DEBT, 15 MILLION IN BANK DEBT AND MORE THAN $8
MILLION OWED TO VENDORS AFTER THE 2012 CAMPAIGN AND HAD BEEN
PAYING THAT OFF VERY SLOWLY. JOHN HEILEMANN, YOU HAVE STUDIED
THIS CAMPAIGN CLOSELY, OBVIOUSLY, LET'S JUST ESTABLISH
FIRST, HOW DIFFERENT IS THIS FROM SOMETHING WE WOULD SEE IN
PREVIOUS CAMPAIGNS? IN OTHER WORDS, THE LEADING
CANDIDATE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE DNC IN CONTROLLING THE WAY
IT DOES ITS BUSINESS. >> DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT IN THE
SENSE THAT A CONTESTED DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FIGHT THE
PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL DURING THE PERIOD WHILE THE
FIGHTING IS TAKING PLACE. IF YOU HAVE AN INCUMBENT
PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA 2012 CONTROLS THE DNC BECAUSE HE IS
THE STATE OF THE HEIR OF THE PARTY.
IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS THE PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL.
WHEN YOU HAVE A WINNER, YOU HAVE THAT WINNER TAKE CONTROL OF THE
DFC. TRADITIONALLY, THAT IS HOW IT'S
SUPPOSED TO WORK. >> WE DID NOT SISTER A WINNER
YET. >> THIS CIRCUMSTANCEALED BY DONE
THAT BRAZIL DATING BACK TO A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER HILLARY
CLINTON ANNOUNCED HER ENTRY INTO THE RACE, IN THE FALL OF 2015
SHE EFFECTIVELY TOOK OVER SECRETLY FINANCIAL CONTROL AND
OTHER CONTROL OF THE DFC. WE ONLY STARTED TO PRUSSIA THE
SURFACE HERE. THERE WERE ALLEGATIONS BACK AT
THE TIME THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE WAY THE DNC STRUCTURED ITS
DEBATE SCHEDULE, HOW FEW OF THEM THERE WERE, WHEN THEY WERE
SCHEDULED, ON WEEKENDS AND SO FORTH THAT DEBBIE WASSERMAN
SCHULTZ WAS TRYING TO PROTECT HILLARY CLINTON FROM COMPETITION
WITH BERNIE SANDERS. THOSE ALLEGATIONS I REPORTED ON
AT THE TIME WERE TRUE. EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHO FOLLOWED
THIS THAT DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ WAS SORT OF ON HILLARY
CLINTON'S TEAM THE SANDERS TEAM WERE ANGRY ABOUT.
THAT THE EXTENT THAT DONNA BRAZILE REVEALED WILL BE EVEN
TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPORTERS OF SECRETARY CLINTON'S NOW IS
PRETTY SHOCKING THAT THIS DEGREE OF COLLUSION ON SOME LEVEL WAS
TAKING PLACE DURING THE TIME OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FIGHT.
>> DONNY, IT'S SO INTERESTING, WE GO BACK TO IN REAL TIME, I
REMEMBER MIKA WAS DAY IF, DAY OUT, GOING AFTER DEBBIE
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, SAYING SHE WAS RIGGING THE PROCESS.
WE STARTED TALKING ONE MORNING HOW THE PROCESS WAS RIGGED THE
PROCESS IS RIGGED. TRUMP PICKED IT UP AND STARTED
USING THE TERM HIMSELF LATER ON. I GUESS THAT WAS BACK WHEN HE
WATCHED THIS SHOW, OF COURSE, HE NEVER WATCHES IT ANY MORE.
NEVER. DONNY, YOU LOOK, THOUGH, TO WHAT
MIKA WAS ACCUSING DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ AND THE
DEMOCRATS OF DOING AND THEY BECAME SO ENRAGED, THEY WERE
CALLING PHIL GRIFFIN AND DEMANDSING APOLOGIES.
YOU LOOK, THOUGH, AS WE GET A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS, AND YOU SEE
THAT YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT HAD EVERYTHING GO WRONG AT
ONCE. YOU HAD DONNA BRAZILE SAYS A
PRESIDENT, AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT, WHO RAISED MORE MONEY
THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN AMERICAN HISTORY, DISENGAGE FROM THE
PROCESS AND HE LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PART BADLY IN DEBT.
YOU HAVE HILLARY CLINTON, A VERY INEFFECTIVE PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE WHOSE TEAM STRANGLED THE DNC AND DIDN'T LET THEM DO
THEIR JOB. THEY HAD CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING
THE DNC WAS DOING BEFORE SHE WAS EVEN A CANDIDATE AND THEN YOU
HAVE THE CHAIR WOMAN OF THE DNC ACTIVELY RIGGING THE PROCESS.
AGAIN, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, EVERYTHING LINED UP.
EVERYTHING THAT HAD TO HAPPEN FOR DONALD TRUMP TO WIN ON THAT
PARTICULAR DATE HAPPENED AND THIS IS A PART OF THE MILLION
DOMINOS THAT HAD TO FALL PERFECTLY IN PLACE FOR THIS
REALITY TV STAR TO GET ELECTED. >> YEAH.
CERTAINLY HELPS DONALD TRUMP'S CONTINUING NARRATIVE AS FAR AS
CROOKED HILLARY. IT GIVERS HIM A NEW SOUND BYTE.
ID WONDER, YOUNG PEOPLE GROWING UP, AS THEY ARE ENTERING,
WATCHING POLITICS AND THAT BASICALLY IS THERE ANYTHING THAT
ISN'T RIGGED, THAT ISN'T CHEATED IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER?
I FIND IRONICALLY DONNA BRAZILE IS THE ONE COMING FORWARD.
SHE WAS A PART OF THIS FESTIVAL OF NONSENSE AND IT SHOWS HOW AS
BROKEN AS WE, FRAGMENTED AS WE TALK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
IN SEARCH OF ITSELF AND PULLING INTO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS EVEN IN WORSE SHAPE.
WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR? WHO ARE THE LEADERS?
THE LEGACY OF HILLARY CLINTON AND THE CLINTONS AND BARACK
OBAMA IN THERE IS NO -- THERE ARE NO NEW FACE, NO NEW VOICES,
NO NEW PLATFORMS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS TO LOOK
HARD IN THE MIRROR AND SAY WHO IS OUR FUTURE AND HOW DO WE
LEAVE THIS BEHIND? BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WHEN YOU
STAY WORD DEMOCRATIC PARTY, HILLARY CLINTON STILL COMES TO
THE FOREFRONT AND THAT'S GOING TO GO.
. >> YEAH, STEVE RATNER,
OBVIOUSLY, YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON.
YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON IN THE PAST.
YOU KNEW AT THE TIME THAT THE CAMPAIGN, OBVIOUSLY, HAD
CHALLENGES AND SAID SO ON TV AND OFF TV.
DID YOU EVER KNOW IT WAS THE DYSFUNCTIONAL?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD DYSFUNCTIONAL WOULD BE THE WORD.
IED THE NOT KNOW CERTAINLY OF THE THINGS DONNA BRAZILE IS
ALLEGING ABOUT HOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE DNC.
IT WAS CERTAINLY CLEAR THAT THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN WAS DESIRE,
WANTED TO WIN AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE DNC AS EARLY
AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE, FRANKLY, IN A CAMPAIGN THE QUALITY OF THE
CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS IS GENERALLY HIGHER THAN THE QUALITY OF THE
OFFICIALS, NO DISRESPECT AT THE PARTY THEMSELVES, GETTING AHOLD
OF THE PARTY APPARATUS CAN BE A PART OF WINNING.
WHETHER SHE DID ALL THING DONNA BRAZILE DOES NOT HAVE THE
CLEANEST HANDS IN ALL THE THINGS THAT DONNA BRAZILE ALLEGES OR
NOT, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD MAKE TWO POINTS RELATED
TO WHAT DONNY SAID AND EARLIER, PRESIDENT OBAMA DID THE PARTY NO
FAVORS HERE. HE DID NOT REALLY EMBRACE THE
IMPORTANCE OF STABILITY IN THE PARTY APPARATUS THE WAY
PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD, AS A RESULT THE PARTY WAS LEFT
ESSENTIALLY BROKE AND DYSFUNCTION AM.
AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, LOOKING AHEAD, WHICH IS PROBABLY AS
IMPORTANT AS LOOKING BACK, WEB ARE IN THE SAME PLACE T.DNC IS
NOT VERY PRESENT IN THE LIVES OF ACTIVE DEMOCRATS LIKE MYSELF
THEY ARE NOT RAISING MONEY SUCCESSFULLY.
TOM SPREZ A NICE AND CAPABLE GUY, THE RNC IS OUTRAISING THEM,
AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE LOST THE 900 LEGISLATURE SEATS AND THE
SENATE POSITIONS. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PULL THE DNC
AND PARTY APPARATUS TOGETHER. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LEADER
AS DONNY SAID. >> WE WILL HAVE DONNA BRAZILE ON
NEXT WEEK. WHEN WE COME BACK, DONALD TRUMP
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