NYT Writer Challenges President Donald Trump's List Of Untruths | Morning Joe

SIX EGGS SHORT OF A DOZEN WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS.
IN THE CASE WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, THE PRESIDENT, MORE OFTEN THAN
NOT, HAS GONE ON TO DEFEND HIS APPOINTMENTS WITH A SERIES OF --
WELL, WE HAVE TO LABEL IT, UNTRUTHS ABOUT THEIR
CREDENTIALS. YOU HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH THE
INCREDIBLE TASK OF CATALOGUING THE NUMBER OF UNTRUTHS THIS
PRESIDENT HAS TROTTED OUT THUS FAR ONLY IN 11 MONTHS OF HIS
PRESIDENCY. HOW'S IT GOING, DAVID?
>> WE ACTUALLY NEED A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT JUST ME AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, ALL THESE FACT CHECKERS OUT THERE AND TOTALED
UP AND SAID TRUMP HAS SAID A THOUSAND UNTRUE THINGS.
WE SAID IT NEEDS TO BE DEMONSTRABLY AND BLATANTLY
UNTRUE. WE DIDN'T COUNT HIS GENERAL
STORY ABOUT GENERAL PERSHING OR WHEN HE GETS COMMISSION
STATISTICS OFF A LITTLE E BIT. WE'VE COUNTED 103 DISTINCT
UNTRUTHS, FALSEHOODS, LIES HE'S TOLD IN HIS FIRST TEN MONTH IN
OFFICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
>> GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR CRITERIA, YOUR TOP THREE THAT
FALL INTO THE CATEGORY PANTS ON FIRE LIE VERSUS ALL THE OTHER
SUBTLE UNTRUTHS OR MISAPPROPRIATIONS OF THE TRUTH.
>> A LOT OF THESE WE KNOW. A BLATANT LIE ABOUT THE
INAUGURATION SIZE CROWD, THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE STUFF.
THE STUFF SAYING WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE WORLD WHICH
WE CLEARLY DO NOT. WE TRY TO TAKE THE MOST
FAVORABLE INTERPRETATION. WE SAY IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN
JUSTIFY THIS AND SAY IT'S A MATTER OF POLITICAL DEBATE.
IF THE ANSWER IS NO, WE COUNT IT.
WHAT WE JUST DID IS WE COMPARED IT AT THE REQUEST OF TRUMP
SUPPORTERS, COMPARED IT TO OBAMA'S PACE OF TELLING
FALSEHOODS. >> TED, YOU SAT DOWN AND WROTE A
REBUTTAL TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE.
>> I DID. I DID NOT QUESTION THE PREMISE
OF THE PIECE. DONALD TRUMP IS AN EXCEPTIONAL,
EXTRAORDINARY LIAR EVEN AMONG POLITICIANS AND CERTAINLY
COMPARED TO BARACK OBAMA, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'ST'S A PROPER USF
DATA JOURNALISM TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO COUNT UP THE LIES.
>> WHY? >> BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
ACTUALLY COUNTING THE LIES. I LOOKED AT "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
LIST, THE SHORT LIST OF OBAMA LIES AND SEARCHED FOR MY
FAVORITE. HE SAID WE HAVE EXCLUDED
LOBBYISTS FROM POLICY MAKING JOBS WHICH IS ONE OF HIS
CAMPAIGN PROMISES. THERE WERE 36 INCLUDING A
GOLDMAN SACHS LOBBYIST AS A CHIEF OF STOF AT TREASURY.
THAT WAS A LIE, A BLATANT FALSEHOOD THAT DIDN'T MAKE "THE
NEW YORK TIMES" LIST. YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU LIKE
YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR COUNTED AS ONE LIE EVEN
THOUGH HE SAID IT AT LEAST 30 TIMES AS PRESIDENT.
IN MY REBUTTAL BLOG POST I FOUND THE FIRST THREE THAT CAME TO MY
MIND, ONLY ONE OF THOSE, IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT,
SHOWED UP IN THOSE. I THINK COUNTING LIES AND
CHARTING THEM AND DOING THIS IS A SILLY THING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO CATCH IT. YOU DID NOT HAVE "THE NEW YORK
TIMES," DAVID LEAN HART AND YOUR TEAM OF JOURNALISTS DIDN'T GO
THROUGTHROUGH EVERY STATEMENT T PRESIDENT MADE AND YOU MISSED A
BUNCH OF OBAMA'S LIES. I AGREE TRUMP IS A MUCH BIGGER
LIAR, MUCH MORE FALSEHOODS, ACCIDENTAL AND INTENTIONAL, THAN
OBAMA. BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE IN
THERE, WE HAVE EXCLUDED LOBBYISTS FROM POLICY MAKING
JOBS. WASN'T THAT A SIGNIFICANTLY
CLEARLY FALSE STATEMENT? >> YOU WANT US TO APPLY A
DIFFERENT STANDARD TO OBAMA AND TRUMP.
WE APPLIED THE SAME STANDARD. THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT
WE DIDN'T INCLUDE. WE SAID UNDER THE MOST GENEROUS
INTERPRETATION, WE TOOK ALL THOSE OUT FOR TRUMP AND SAID
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE OBAMA A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN TRUMP.
WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU END UP SEEING OBAMA DEFINITELY SAID
UNTRUE THINGS. THE FACT HE SAID IF YOU LIKE
YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT.
THAT'S FALSE. HE SAID FALLS THINGS ABOUT THE
HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT RATE. WHEN YOU COMPARE THE SAME
STANDARDS FOR THE TWO, YOU END UP SEEING THEY'RE NOT CLOSE AT
ALL. >> I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE A
STANDARD. >> TRUMP TELLS MANY, MANY MORE
UNTRUTHS THAN OBAMA DOES. >> I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I
DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A STANDARD FOR OBAMA IF WHEN HE SAYS WE
HAVE EXCLUDED LOBBYISTS, THAT COUNTS AS TRUE BECAUSE THERE
WERE SOME LOBBYISTS WHO DIDN'T GET HIRED.
THAT'S THE PERSING THAT THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE GAVE ME WHEN I
ASKED THEM ABOUT IT EIGHT YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO.
>> IF YOU COULD FIND ONES WE EXCLUDED FROM TRUMP THAT WERE
SIMILAR THAN THAT OR INCLUDED, I WOULD AGREE THAT WOULD BE FAIR.
THERE ARE DOZENS OF THEM JUST LIKE THE LOBBYIST ONE FOR TRUMP,
THE CRAZY STORY LIKE GENERAL PERSHING, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT.
WE DID THE SAME STANDARD FOR OBAMA AND TRUMP.
YOU CAN SEE THESE TEN THINGS ABOUT TRUMP YOU SHOULD HAVE
INCLUDED AND THE TEN ABOUT OBAMA YOU SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED.
BUT WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU SEE THERE'S NO COMPARISON.
>> TIM, TO UNDERLINE, YOU CAN SEE DONALD TRUMP EXAMINING RATES
MORE THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA. >> MORE THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT
I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFE. >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I
CAN'T THINK -- NUMBER OF TRUMP LIES VERSUS ALABAMA, I BET TRUMP
WINS. BUT HAS STRUM TRUMP HAD AN
IMPACT IN TERMS OF POLICY IMPACT AND IMPLICATIONS, IF YOU LIKE
YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN.
THAT STRIKES ME AS THE BIGGEST POLITICAL LIE OF THE PAST TEN
YEARS OR SO. >> HOW ABOUT THE TAX BILL.
>> IT HAS PRESIDENT PASSED YET. >> PEGGY BRINGS UP AN OBVIOUS
POINT. OBVIOUSLY TRUMP WINS THE VOLUME
BATTLE. IF YOU SAY LIES THAT CAUSE HARM,
A MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WAS HIS DEFINING PIECE OF
LEGISLATION WAS BUILT ON -- SHE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
>> THE CENTRAL CRITIQUE, ONE OF THE CENTRAL CRITIQUES OF ROMNEY
IN THE 2012 CAMPAIGN, REMEMBER THE MOTTO FROM THE BAEM
CAMPAIGN, SAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD AND GENERAL MOTORS IS
ALIVE. HE SAID IN ONE OF THE DEBATES --
I WANT TO GET THE EXACT QUOTE TO PROVE IT WAS A LIE BY ANY
STANDARD, HE SAID -- OBAMA SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- ROMNEY
SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD PROVIDE GUARANTEES FOROR
POST BANKRUPTCY FINANCING AND ASSURE CAR BUYERS THAT THEIR
WARRANTEES ARE NOT AT RISK. OBAMA THEN SAID YOU'RE VERY
CLEAR YOU WOULD NOT PROVIDE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO THE
U.S. AUTO COMPANIES EVEN IF THEY UNDERWENT BANKRUPTCY.
PUT THOSE TWO STATEMENTS SIDE BY SIDE, IT'S CLEAR ROMNEY SAID WE
SHOULD HAVE GOVERNMENT GUARANTEES.
OBAMA SAID YOU SAID THERE WON'T BE GOVERNMENT GUARANTEES.
THAT WAS AT THE HEART OF OBAMA'S CRITICISM ALONG WITH, IF YOU
LIKE YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT, WAS THE SINGLE BIGGEST DEFENSE
OF THE CENTRAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
I CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE HEART OF OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN WAS
BUILT ON STANDARD POLITICAL LIES.
>> TRUMP IS STILL A MUCH BIGGER LIE.
>> WE SAID THAT. >> OBAMA TOLD FALSEHOODS, BUSH
TOLD FALSEHOODS. TRUMP TELLS FALSEHOODS ABOUT
EVERYTHING. HE LIES ABOUT THE CRIME RATE,
ABOUT IMMIGRATION, ABOUT WHERE BARACK OBAMA WAS BORN, LIES
ABOUT HOW TAXED WE ARE AS A NATION, LIES ABOUT WHAT HIS
HEALTH CARE BILL WOULD DO. I DON'T THINK TRUMP'S LIES ARE
THE OFF-THE-CUFF FUNNY STUFF. THEY ARE VERY MUCH ABOUT POLICY
AND CENTRAL TO HIS STRATEGY. WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WAS MADE
AWARE OF THING HE SAID WASN'T TRUE, HE STOPPED SAYING IT.
WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS MADE AWARE, HE STOPPED SAYING IT.
BLATANT UNTRUTHS, THEY STOPPED. WHAT TRUMP DOES, HE TRIES TO
DISCREDIT THE PEOPLE POINTING OUT THE FALSEHOODS, WHETHER
THEY'RE FBI AGENTS, CIA AGENTS, FEDERAL JUDGES, SCIENTISTS, YOU
NAME IT. THAT'S DANGEROUS TO OUR
DEMOCRATIC CULTURE. >> UNDERMINING THE BEHAVIOR OF
TRUTH IN GENERAL. >> HIS ADMINISTRATION STARTED
OUT WITH A FIGHT OVER THE CROWD SIZE.
DAVID LEAN HART, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TIM CARNEY, A GOOD BACK AND FORTH.
YOU GUYS SHOULD GO OUT TO LUNCH, KEEP THE FIGHT GOING.
>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS BIG ON SYMBOLISM, CUTTING RED TAPE TO
REPRESENT HIS ADMINISTRATION'S SLASH ON REGULATIONS.
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