SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP CANNOT COMMIT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
BUT HE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE RESULT OF A NEW POLL SHOWING THAT MANY REPUBLICANS
ACTIVELY WANT HIM TO BREAK THE LAW.
THESE ARE COMING FROM THE
AMERICAN VALUES SURVEY.
SO THOSE ARE THE CORE TRUMP
SUPPORTERS.
WHAT ABOUT ALL
REPUBLICANS?
THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT HIM TO COME IN AND BECAUSE OF THE,
THEY SEE A LITTLE BIT OF CHAOS.
THEY THINK THAT THINGS HAVE GONE AWRY CULTURALLY,
MILITARILY, ECONOMICALLY THAT WE NEED A STRONG MAN TO COME
IN AND WHO CARES IF HE BREAKS A FEW RULES.
WHERE WE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
WILL PROBABLY TURN OUT WELL.
BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE A BIT OF A SURPRISING OPINION ON THIS.
I
THINK THAT THIS STORY NEEDS TO BE BIFURCATED SO ON THE ONE
HAND, BREAKING THE LAW IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.
LET ME JUSTÖ THAT'S THE PART YOU WOULD EXPECT ME TO SAY, RAY?
WHEN TROUBLE COMES IN AND FOR EXAMPLE, LAW HE COULD BREAK A IS
HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ENRICH HIMSELF BUT HE DECIDES, NO, I
WOULD LIKE TO ENRICH MYSELF.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE BRIBES.
IS
THAT COOL LAWBREAKING THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF?
EVEN HE IS NOT
THAT UNSOPHISTICATED.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE BRIBES HE
CAN JUST SAY OH, YOU GIVE ME THIS IN A NICE LITTLE DEAL WHERE
I COULD BUILD A HOTEL IN YOUR COUNTRY AND MAYBE YOU GET A
LITTLE BIT BETTER TRADE DEAL.
COME STAY AT MY HOTELS OR THE
EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD.
I PASS A GIANT TAX CUT FOR MYSELF
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING.
BUT THAT ONE IS NOT
BREAKING THE LAW, TO BE FAIR.
IT'S LITERALLY REWRITING THE
LAWN HIS BEHALF BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THEM TO BREAK
LAWS.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND I WOULD
ALWAYS COUNSEL AGAINST THAT.
THAT MEANS YOU DON'T RESPECT THE
RULE OF LAW AND IRONICALLY HE RAN ON THE RULE OF LAW AND HE
WAS THE LAW AND ORDER CANDIDATE SO IF YOU SAY YEAH, IT IS
AWESOME WHEN MY STRONGMAN BREAKS THE LAW THEN YOU ARE NOT FOR LAW
AND ORDER, YOUR FOR THE OPPOSITE.
ON THE OTHER HAND,
THE OTHER PART IS, AND THAT IS WHY THIS WAS KIND OF VAGUE,
VIOLATE POLITICAL NORMS, YES, I AGREE.
I WANT A RULE BREAKER VIOLATES POLITICAL NORMS BECAUSE I
THINK THEY'RE TERRIBLE.
I THINK YOU THINK SOME OF THEM ARE TERRIBLE.
OF COURSE.
I THINK THEY ARE SET BY THE ESTABLISHMENT I
THINK THEY ARE TO FAVOR THE STATUS QUO AND I WOULD VIOLATE
POLITICAL NORMS AND OFTEN DO AND I GET THE FINGER WHACKED AT ME
QUITE OFTEN.
FOR EXAMPLE, POLITICAL NORMAN DC'S BE GENTLE
TO THE ELITES DOTS AS LONG AS YOU ARE POLITE TO THE ELITES AND
YOU DON'T OFFEND ANYONE PERSONALLY, YOU COULD DO WAR
CRIMES, KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS, IN PRISON AFRICAN-AMERICANS AT
DISPROPORTIONATE RATES AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
YOU COULD DO HORRIBLE THINGS TO THE NON-ELITES BUT YOU MUST
BE POLITE TO THE ELITES.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE POLITICAL NORMAN I DON'T BLAME
REPUBLICAN VOTERS AND I BET YOU A DECENT AMOUNT OF PROGRESSIVE
VOTERS IF YOU FRAME THE QUESTION ACCURATELY WOULD SAY YEAH,
YOU ARE RIGHT WE SHOULD VIOLATE THE POLITICAL NORMS ARE.
THERE SOME THOUGH LIKE FOR INSTANCE THAT GENERALLY AT
PRESIDENT GETS TO CHOOSE WHO GETS TO GO ON TO THE SUPREME
COURT.
THAT'S THE NORM.
I GUESS HE ALWAYS HAD TO FOLLOW
AND WE WOULD PREFER THAT THEY DO.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF LIKE THAT THE.
THE FILIBUSTER, THAT'S REALLY JUST A NORM, THAT'S A CULTURAL
THING, IT IS NOT ALARM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'VE SEEN ALREADY
THAT THEY CAN CHIP AWAY AT THAT AND MAYBE YOU ONLY NEED SENATORS
HE CAN DO WHATEVER.
THERE CERTAIN NORMS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR DEMOCRACY TO
FUNCTION.
YES AND NO.
YOU CAN SEE ANY AND EVEN IN THIS
CONVERSATION THE QUESTION IS TOO VAGUE.
IF YOU MEAN
BY NORMS PATTERN EVEN CONCEDE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
MENTIONED.
SO YES, THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED MERRICK
GARLAND FOR A YEAR WHICH VIOLATED THE NORMS AND THEY WERE
HAPPY TO DO AND THE DEMOCRATS OF COURSE WERE AS USUAL POLITICAL
PATHETICALLY WE CAN LET THEM DO IT.
IF I WOULD AGAIN CHARGER
PROGRESSIVE THAT WE FAVORED GOT IN CHARGE WHEN I STRIKE BACK AND
VIOLATED ANY NORM I LIKE ALONG THOSE LINES TO FIGHT BACK
AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS?
YES I WHAT THE.
HAD YOU THINK THEY WOULD RESPOND TO THAT?
OF WHOLE NORMS IN THE FUTURE?
NO, THEN THEY WOULD BREAK THE NORMS AND YOU WOULD, WE'VE
SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THEY WOULD CRY AND THEN WE WOULD BREAK THEIR BACK AND AFTER
WE WIN AND SET THE COUNTRY ON A PROGRESSIVE PATH AND WE WOULD
COME UP WITH THE LOGICAL NORMS AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT NOT
CONFIRMING THAT CANDIDATE, THE NOMINEES OF A PRESIDENT IS NOT A
LOGICAL NORM.
YOU SHOULD CONFIRM THEM SO HOPEFULLY WE WOULD GET
BACK TO SANITY ON THE ISSUE.
I ACTUALLY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE
FILIBUSTER.
IT EXISTS AND THE REPUBLICANS BROKE THE RECORD ON
IT, THAT IS A FACT IN THE MEDIA WILL CALL IT 50-50 AND THAT THEY
HELD TO A AND ABOUT THE LIES WHEN THEY DO THAT.
ON THE OTHER
HAND, WHY DO I HAVE TO BE HELD UP BY ORIN HATCH IN HIS DONOR
FRIENDS?
IF BERNIE SANDERS WINS AND WE HAVE MAJORITIES IN THE
SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I WOULDN'T PLAY PATTY CAKES LIKE OBAMA DID.
WE'VE A SUPER MAJORITY BUT SHOULD WE REALLY QUESTION WE
SHOULD ASK AROUND.
NO, WE'RE GOING TO DO PROGRESSIVE PRIORITIES AND
IS THE FILIBUSTERS AND THE WAY IT WOULD GET RID OF IT.
THAT IS TOTALLY FINE.
MOSTLY JUST A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT BY
TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THEY CAN RAMP
THEIR WE'RE SEEING THE ATTEMPTS TO DO IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SIGN ON TO SOMETHING WE
MIGHT LOVE AND IT MIGHT BE GREAT BUT THERE'S ALSO THE RISK
THAT IT WILL BITE US IN THE ASS AND GIVE $1.5
TRILLION TO THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
BY THE WAY, GREAT EXAMPLE, LAST THING ON THIS, THE UPSIDE
AND THE DOWNSIDE AND I RECOGNIZE THERE IS A HUGE DOWNSIDE SO I
KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IS FDR.
HE VIOLATED SOME NORMS
THAT HE SHOULD NOT OF VIOLATED.
PACKING THE SUPREME COURT, THAT
IS AN ACCEPTABLE THOUGHT THE INTERNMENT CAMPS, BEYOND
UNACCEPTABLE.
THOSE ARE VIOLATING NORMS THAT WE SHOULD
HAVE NEVER DONE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THOSE ARE THE DOWNSIDES
AND THEIR SUPER REALÖ SIZE WERE ALSO SUPER REAL.
THE REPUBLICAN SAID YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS, THAT IS
INTERESTING BUT I'M DOING SOCIAL SECURITY AND WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
WE'RE DOING THE NEW DEAL AND WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
SIGN ME UP FOR THOSE NORM BREAKAGES.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SO BAD, IT VIOLATED THE NORMS OF THE
ESTABLISHMENT SO BAD THAT THEY PLOTTED TO COUP AGAINST HIM.
NOT JUST NORM BREAKING BY LAWBREAKING.
THEY SHOULD'VE
HUNG FOR THAT BY THE WAY, BUT LUCKILY WE SAVE THE REPUBLIC
AND YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT THAT.
IT IS A REALLY AMAZING STORY.
WITHIN BOUNDS OF REASON, VIOLATING NORMS WHENEVER
THE LAW.
THE REASON I WANTED TO COVER THIS, BEAR IN MIND, LET'S SAY
THAT HYPOTHETICALLY WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS LIKE THE
KIND OF PERSON WHO BROKE SOME LAWS AND LETS A HABIT THAT UGLY
THERE WAS A SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATING HIM AND THEY TURN
A PROOF THAT CRIMES WERE COMMITTED, PREPARE FOR A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE COUNTRY DO NOT CARE REGARDLESS
OF EVIDENCE.
YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN SEEING SOME OF THAT FOR THE PAST
YEAR EVEN ONCE IT'S VERY CLEAR, THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF THE COUNTRY WHICH DOES NOT CARE BECAUSE LIKE IN
OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE TURKEY AND RUSSIA AND STUFF LIKE THAT IF
THERE COLD THE PERSONALITY BASED AROUND A STRONG
AUTHORITARIAN LEADER.
HE SAYS WHAT HE IS DOING IS
RIGHT, THAT IS WHAT THEY WILL GO FOR.
THAT IS A GREAT POINT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT MADE IN THIS
STORY, WHICH IS IT IS ONE THING, ARGUING ABOUT THE VAGUENESS OF
NORMS.
AS I'VE BEEN SAYING THROUGHOUT, LAWS ARE DIFFERENT
BUT SOME PERCENTAGE OF THESE FOLKS ARE SAYING, NO, I DON'T
CARE IF HE BREAKS THE LAW.
I DON'T CARE, SO WHEN TRUMP SAID
THAT I CAN SHOOT SOMEONE ON FIFTH AVENUE GET AWAY WITH IT,
IT TURNS I HE WAS RIGHT BUT WHEN YOU APPLY THAT IN THE REAL
WORLD, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL SAID HE ENRICHED HIMSELF BY MAKING A
DEAL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THEN COLLUDED AND THEN WAS GOING
TO SET US POLICY BASED ON WHAT HE PROMISED PRUDENT BECAUSE OF A
FINANCIAL DEAL OR COLLUSION OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
IF THAT
IS THE CASE, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO
SAY, I DON'T CARE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY.
I DON'T
BELIEVE IN RULE OF LAW, I WANT THE LAWBREAKER.
AND WITH A
STRONG MAN WHO IS A AUTHORITARIAN WHO WILL BE CAN
AND I WILL BOW DOWN TO AND IF YOU ARE TRYING TO REMOVE HIM
FROM OFFICE THEN WHAT ONE WON'T THEY DO?
GOT ONLY KNOWS.
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