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>>>BRANDON: CHAOS AT SESSION'S
END - WE REVIEW THE 2018
SESSION.
WHAT PASSED, WHAT DIDN'T, AND
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
THAT PLUS ANDRE CARSON AND LOUIS
FARRAKHAN AND MORE ON INDIANA
WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK
ENDING MARCH 16TH, 2018.
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>>BRANDON: CHAOS REIGNED AS THE
2018 LEGISLATIVE SESSION CAME TO
AN ABRUPT END AND A HANDFUL OF
BILLS DIED AS LAWMAKERS RAN OUT
OF TIME.
STATE LAW SET THE SESSION'S
DEADLINE AT MIDNIGHT.
BUT WITH A FEW BILLS STILL
UNSETTLED - TAX LEGISLATION,
SCHOOL SAFETY, A MUNCIE-GARY
SCHOOL TAKEOVER BILL, AND
AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES REGULATIONS
- LAWMAKERS PUSHED THINGS TO THE
LIMIT.
THAT INCLUDED AN EFFORT BY THE
GOVERNOR TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE
BY ONE HOUR.
BUT LEGISLATIVE LEADERS
QUESTIONED THAT MOVE'S LEGALITY.
AND THE 2018 SESSION ENDED
WITHOUT THOSE MEASURES.
HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA
POINTED A FINGER ACROSS THE
BUILDING.
>>SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA: WE WERE
HERE ALL DAY YESTERDAY WHEN OUR
SENATE COLLEAGUES WEREN'T.
WE WERE AVAILABLE ALL DAY TODAY
WHILE THEY WERE DOING THEIR
HONORING RESOLUTIONS.
>>BRANDON: SENATE LEADER DAVID
LONG SAYS THE SENATE GOT ITS
WORK DONE.
>>SEN. DAVID LONG: WE JUST COULD
NOT GET TO YES ON SOME OF THESE
THINGS.
AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE WERE
JUST SITTING AROUND, TWIDDLING
OUR THUMBS.
>>BRANDON: LONG LEFT OPEN THE
POSSIBILITY OF A SPECIAL SESSION
TO COMPLETE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
WHAT HAPPENED AT THE 2018
SESSION'S END?
IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR
INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL:
DEMOCRAT ELISE SHROCK,
REPUBLICAN JOEY FOX, NIKI KELLY,
STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT
WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE AND
POLITICAL ANALYST JOHN
KETZENBERGER.
WHO APPARENTLY DIDN'T GET THE
MEMO ABOUT GOING ON VACATION.
I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING
STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON
SMITH.
ELISE SHROCK, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN
ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THIS?
>> NO NOT LIKE THIS.
TO BE FAIR, IN MY EARLIER DAYS
AT THE STATEHOUSE, I HAVE SEEN
SPECIAL SESSIONS IN 2009 BUT
THAT WAS OVER A BUDGET.
THAT WAS OVER A GIANT PIECE OF
LEGISLATION.
WHAT HAPPENED THE OTHER NIGHT
WAS BEDLAM OVER JUST NOT GOING
INTO SESSION WITH A CLEAR VISION
AND AT THE END OF SESSION NOT
BEING ABLE TO GET IT TOGETHER TO
MOVE SOME STUFF OVER THE FINISH
LINE AT THE VERY END.
IT WAS PRETTY CHAOTIC TO HAVE
BEEN THERE.
>> SOME OF THE BILLS THAT
DIED, SOME TAX MEASURES THAT IN
SOME CASES WERE IMPORTANT.
THEY DEAL WITH FEDERAL REFORM,
THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE
LEGISLATION, SCHOOL SAFETY,
PRIORITIES OF THE GOVERNOR, IS
IT A BAD LOOK FOR REPUBLICAN
SUPER MAJORITY IS IN THE
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, THAT THEY
COULDN'T GET TO THE FINISH LINE
ON TIME?
>> IT'S NOT A GREAT LOOK.
HERE'S THE THING THE REASON THIS
IS A STORY, THE REASON WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE THIS
IS SO UNIQUE.
REPUBLICANS HAVE MANAGE THE
HOUSE AND SENATE REALLY WELL AND
INDIANA HAS A GOOD BIPARTISAN
TRADITION OF MANAGING THE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY FAIRLY WELL.
THIS IS AN ABERRATION.
I DON'T THINK ANY ONE THING OR
ONE PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE ARE LOTS OF FACTORS THAT
CAME INTO THEY COULD NOT GET THE
BUSINESS DONE AT THE END OF THE
DAY.
I DON'T EXPECT THIS WILL HAPPEN
AGAIN.
>> THAT'S A GOOD BET I THINK.
SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA THINKS HE
KNOWS WHO AND WHAT IS TO BLAME
FOR THIS.
HE THREW SENATOR LONG AND THE
SENATE UNDER THE BUS PRETTY
HARD, BUT IS THAT A FAIR THING
FOR HIM TO DO?
>> HE DID NOT MINCE WORDS ON
THAT END TO BE FAIR, ALTHOUGH
THERE WAS SOME ON THE HOUSE
THERE WAS NO URGENCY EVEN
STARTING ON MONDAY.
I DON'T REMEMBER IN 19 YEARS OF
A SESSION WHERE WE STARTED A
LAST DAY WITHOUT A CHAMBER
HAVING VOTED ON A SINGLE
CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT YET.
THEY WERE HAGGLING OVER SOME
RELATIVELY MINOR PIECES ON SOME
OF THESE TAX LANGUAGE AND
ALCOHOL LANGUAGE AND I MEAN FOR
A REALLY LONG TIME AND IN THE
END, IT WAS JUST REALLY CLUMSY
AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT
SOME OF IT WAS BECAUSE THE
SENATE WAS DEALING WITH INTERNAL
LEADERSHIP ISSUES AND BE, THEY
LOST SOME VERY SKILLED
NEGOTIATORS THE YEAR BEFORE WHO
HAD DECADES OF EXPERIENCE AND I
THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A
TOUGH LEARNING CURVE FOR THEM.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY
SPEAKER BOSMA SAID THE PUBLIC
WILL SURVIVE.
IS THIS MUCH ADO IN TERMS OF THE
BILLS THEMSELVES, RELATIVELY
NOTHING?
>> THE LEGISLATION IS WHILE
IMPORTANT, NOT THE KIND OF STUFF
THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE CALAMITY
OR BEDLAM FOR LONG TERM PERIOD.
IT IS INTERESTING THOUGH
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A
TIME IN 1993 WHEN THERE WAS
FRICTION BETWEEN THE SPEAKER OF
THE HOUSE WHO WAS A DEMOCRAT AND
THE PRESIDENT PRO TEM WHO WAS OF
REPUBLICAN AND THEY WERE CALLING
EACH OTHER'S NAMES.
THEY TOOK SOME SPECIAL SESSIONS,
BUT THEY GOT THAT STUFF DONE.
WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME HERE
IS THESE ARE PEOPLE AT THE SAME
PARTY AND WHILE THERE'S ALWAYS
BEEN INTERPARTY INTRAMURAL
FIGHTING BETWEEN THE HOUSE IN
THE SENATE, IT SEEMS TO HAVE
REACHED DIFFERENT LEVEL THIS
YEAR AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
THE LEADERSHIP ONE OF WHICH IS
GOING TO ABSENTS HIMSELF AT THE
END OF THE YEAR.
I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS
SOME OF WHAT NICKY TALKED ABOUT,
THE LESS EXPERIENCED LEADERSHIP,
BUT ALSO THE FACTIONS WITHIN THE
CAUCUSES.
THEY ARE ASSERTING THEMSELVES IN
THESE WAYS.
THEY HELD UP THOSE CONFERENCE
COMMITTEE REPORTS BECAUSE THEY
COULD.
THE DEMOCRATS DID SOME OF THAT
ON SOME OF THE GUN ISSUES BUT
RESUME -- REFUSING TO SIGN
REPORTS BUT WHAT'S MORE
INTERESTING AS THEY HAVE THIS
INTRAMURAL FIGHTING WITHIN THE
CAUCUSES AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
SPILLED OVER AND CAUSED THE
OVERALL PROBLEM AT THE END OF
THE SESSION.
>> YOU JUST MENTIONED
>>>TWO GUN ISSUES COULDN'T REACH
THE FINISH LINE AT THE
STATEHOUSE THIS YEAR - BUT IT
DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THE SESSION'S RAUCUS END.
LAWMAKERS FOCUSED ON TWO GUN
REGULATION PROVISIONS IN THE
SESSION'S FINAL DAYS.
ONE WOULD ELIMINATE THE FEE FOR
A LIFETIME HANDGUN LICENSE.
THE OTHER WOULD ALLOW GUN OWNERS
TO CARRY FIREARMS INTO HOUSES OF
WORSHIP ON SCHOOL GROUNDS -
WHERE GUNS ARE TYPICALLY BANNED.
THE HOUSE SPONSOR OF THE FINAL
PACKAGE BEN SMALTZ SPENT MUCH OF
THE SESSION'S LAST HOURS TRYING
TO FIND LAWMAKERS TO SIGN OFF ON
THE LANGUAGE - IN BOTH CHAMBERS,
IN BOTH PARTIES.
BUT LEGISLATIVE LEADERS HAD EACH
BALKED AT PIECES OF THE MEASURE
IN THE WAKE OF A SCHOOL SHOOTING
IN PARKLAND, FLORIDA.
AND THE FINAL BILL NEVER REALLY
CAME CLOSE TO REACHING THE
FLOOR.
JOEY FOX, GIVEN THE CURRENT
CLIMATE, WAS THIS THE BEST
OUTCOME FOR THIS ISSUE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
THIS BILL SHOULD HAVE PASSED.
I THINK THESE WERE COMMONSENSE
MEASURES ON GUNS.
WE LIVE IN A TIME AND A PLACE
WHERE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY
A LICENSING FEE TO EXERCISE A
CONSTITUTIONAL LIFE -- RIGHT.
SO CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT AFTER
BACKGROUND CHECK IS COMMONSENSE.
IF YOU DO HAVE A CHILD THAT GOES
TO A SCHOOL THAT HAPPENS TO BE
ON CHURCH PROPERTY ANYWHERE A
PARISHIONER OF THE CHURCH YOU
SHOULD NOT BE A FELON WHEN YOU
WALK ON WITH YOUR CONCEALED
CARRY GUN.
COMMONSENSE MEASURES SHOULD HAVE
PASSED.
DID LAWMAKERS SAVE THEMSELVES
SOME HEADACHES BY NOT PASSING
THESE ARE CREATE MORE FOR
THEMSELVES?
>> FIRST OF ALL I'M NOT SURE
THAT HAVING MORE GUNS IN A
SCHOOL IS THE ANSWER TO TYPES OF
PROBLEMS THAT THE PUBLIC IS
ASKING US TO FIX.
SECOND OF ALL, THE EFFECT OF THE
MATTER IS THESE GUN BILLS DIDN'T
ACTUALLY GO TO THE FLOOR FOR
FULL DEBATE.
THAT IS THE JOB OF THE
LEGISLATURE, TO DEBATE AND
DELIBERATE AND TO CARRY THESE
THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE
DIDN'T GET THERE AND TO SAY THAT
SAFETY MEASURES THAT WE WANT TO
TALK SAFETY MEASURES, ONE WAS
THE COLLATERAL OF THE CHAOS AND
THE BEDLAM THAT WENT DOWN AT THE
END OF THE SESSION ONE
REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BOTH
CHAMBERS AND ALL STATEWIDE COULD
NOT GET IT TOGETHER AT THE END
TO PASS THE SCHOOL SAFETY BILLS.
THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN SCHOOLS
MORE RESOURCES FOR SAFETY
AUDITS, IT WOULD HAVE GIVEN
SCHOOLS A LOT MORE RESOURCES AND
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DEBATE ON
THE BILL AND I THINK THAT IS
JUST A FURTHER BREAKDOWN OF THE
PROCESS.
>> IT WAS A FULL HOUR
CONFERENCE COMMITTEE HEARING
THAT I DIDN'T SIT THROUGH.
>> AT THE VERY END.
>> DID THEY SAVE THEMSELVES A
LITTLE BY NOT PASSING THIS?
>> I THINK THEY SAVED
THEMSELVES AN ISSUE ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL ESPECIALLY THIS
FALL.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE
MEANT ANYTHING IN MAY BUT I
THINK THE ATMOSPHERE IT DOES NOT
WORK GOOD FOR THAT ISSUE.
I DO THINK THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT
QUESTIONS, THEY WERE NOT FULLY
VETTED AND THE CONFERENCE
COMMITTEE NOTWITHSTANDING THERE
WOULD BE VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY
TO AFFECT THAT BILL IN THE
CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND THE
PUBLIC SAW THE INSERT IN
PARTICULAR AS A WAY TO MANEUVER
AROUND THE PROCESS MAY BE
[INAUDIBLE] SO I THINK THEY SAVE
THEMSELVES AN ISSUE THAT COULD
HAVE WORKED AGAINST THEM IN THE
GENERAL ELECTION THIS FALL.
THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THAT IS.
>> JOHN TALKED ABOUT THIS BUT,
THIS WAS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT
BROKE DOWN AT THE END WAS NOT
NECESSARILY A REPUBLICAN VERSES
DEMOCRAT'S ISSUE IT.
>> IT WAS A REPUBLICAN ISSUE.
SPEAKER BOSMA SHOULD HAVE THROWN
THEM OFF AT ANY TIME AND CHOSE
NOT TO PURPOSELY BECAUSE HE SAID
HE WANTED A BIPARTISAN BILL AND
IT WAS SENATE REPUBLICANS WHO
WERE HAVING TROUBLE COMING TO
THE TABLE ON THAT BILL.
SO I THINK JUST AS WE TALKED
ABOUT FACTIONS INSIDE THE
REPUBLICAN CAUCUS, THERE WERE
PEOPLE WHO JUST SAID, YOU KNOW,
THIS IS NOT THE FIGHT TO BE
NEED.
THIS SAME DAY AS THE NATIONAL
STUDENT WALKOUT ON GUN VIOLENCE
TO BE PASSING THAT BILL.
>> VERY QUICKLY, DO YOU THINK
THESE COME BACK NEXT YEAR?
>> YES.
AND THEY SHOULD AND THERE WILL
BE MORE.
>> THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY FAIR
DEPENDING ON HOW THE MAKEUP OF
THE STATE HOW IT LOOKS AFTER
NOVEMBER.
>>>LAWMAKERS DID PASS MANY BILLS
BEFORE THEIR DEADLINE -
INCLUDING A TOP PRIORITY,
LEGISLATION AIMED AT ADJUSTING
THE STATE'S WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM.
SOME AREN'T SOLD ON THE TWO KEY
PIECES OF LEGISLATION PASSED BY
THE LEGISLATIVE DEADLINE.
DEMOCRATS CRITICIZED THE
MEASURES AS DOING TOO LITTLE TO
HELP SKILL-UP INDIANA'S WORKING
CLASS.
ONE OF THE BILLS SETS UP A STUDY
COMMITTEE ON THE STATE'S
WORKFORCE CLIMATE.
BUT INDIANA MANUFACTURERS
ASSOCIATION CEO BRIAN BURTON
SAYS THE STATE HAS DONE ENOUGH
STUDIES IN THE PAST AND THE NEED
FOR BETTER WORKER TRAINING IS
ALREADY OBVIOUS.
MANUFACTURERS AND BUSINESS
LEADERS ALSO RAISED CONCERNS
THAT REPLACING INDIANA'S STATE
WORKFORCE INNOVATION COUNCIL
WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
NEWLY-CREATED WORKFORCE CABINET
WOULD CAUSE THE STATE TO LOSE
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
FEDERAL GRANTS.
11TH-HOUR LANGUAGE INSERTED INTO
ONE BILL GIVES GOVERNOR HOLCOMB
BROAD LATITUDE TO MEET FEDERAL
REQUIREMENTS FOR WHO'S ON THE
COUNCIL, IF THE STATE CANNOT
OBTAIN A WAIVER.
NIKI KELLY, WERE THE WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT BILLS A LITTLE
UNDERWHELMING?
>> LET'S JUST CLARIFY HERE
THAT I CARE ABOUT WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT, I'VE BEEN AT THE
STATEHOUSE ABOUT 20 YEARS AND
THE FACT IS WE DO THE SAME DANCE
EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS UNDER
EVERY GOVERNOR WHO HAS THEIR OWN
PLAN, THEIR OWN BOARD AND THEN
WE REPEAL THAT BOARD AND REPLACE
IT WITH ANOTHER AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'VE DONE AGAIN.
AND MAYBE I WILL BE SURPRISED
AND IT WILL REALLY HELP.
THEY CERTAINLY DID ADD SOME
GRANT PROGRAMS IN THERE THAT
HELPED TRAIN WORKERS THROUGH
THEIR EMPLOYERS AND THEN ALSO TO
GET NEW CREDENTIALS SO WE WILL
SEE IN THE FUTURE BUT I
DEFINITELY GET THE CRITICISM
THAT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DEMOCRAT
SET ON THE LAST DAY, WHICH IS WE
ARE JUST REARRANGING THE CHAIRS
ON THE DECK.
>> IS THAT WITH THESE BILLS
DO?
>> PRETTY MUCH.
THERE WERE HIGH ASPIRATIONS
TALKING ABOUT BREAKING DOWN THE
SILOS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU
HEARD THAT AND TALKING ABOUT
FINDING NEW WAYS TO BE MORE
EFFECTIVE AND MAKE SURE WE MEET
THE NEEDS OF THE MARKETPLACE IN
TERMS OF EMPLOYEES AND HELPING
EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES HAVE --
WE'VE HEARD ALL OF THIS STUFF.
YOU CAN'T TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND
BUILD A BACKUP BUT I DO THINK
THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS
THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS
CHANGING AND THE WAY IT'S DONE
AND CONDUCTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY
IS CHANGING.
I THINK THE STATE NEEDS TO
ANTICIPATE THOSE CHANGES, IT'S
PROBABLY A GOOD EXERCISE TO GO
THROUGH, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE
IN A MEANINGFUL FASHION AND BY
THAT, I MEAN, THE SERIOUS ABOUT
TAKING AWAY POWER FROM SOME
PEOPLE AND INVESTING IN OTHER
PEOPLE AND THE BUREAUCRATS ARE
THE OFFICIALS I DON'T MEAN THE
EMPLOYEE'S.
THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE.
WE HAVE UNDEREMPLOYED PEOPLE IN
INDIANA AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT
SINCE GOVERNOR DANIELS WAS IN
OFFICE ABOUT THE ONLY REAL
MEASURE OF PROGRESS IS PER
CAPITA INCOME AND UNTIL YOU GET
PEOPLE CURRENTLY UNDER EMPLOYED
IN CAREERS AND INTO JOBS THAT
WILL PAY THEM A WAGE THAT WILL
BUMP THE STATE'S PER CAPITA
INCOME THEN ALL OF THIS IS
NOISE.
IT NEEDS TO BE EFFECTIVE.
IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY
AND ADAPT TO THE CHANGES AND YOU
NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S
HAPPENING WITH AMAZON BECAUSE
THAT'S THE NEW AVATAR, THAT IS
THE NEW METHOD AND IT'S NOT JUST
THROWING INCENTIVES, IT'S NOT
JUST MAKING SURE IT'S AN
ATTRACTIVE PLACE FOR
MILLENNIALS, IT'S MAKING SURE
YOU ARE PREPARED AND IT'S A LOT
OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK
CAREFULLY ABOUT AND ARE NOT
READILY APPARENT.
WE'VE NOT DONE THAT RIGHT NOW AS
WELL AS WE COULD.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT MEANINGFUL
IS TAKING POWER AWAY FROM
CERTAIN PEOPLE AND GIVING IT TO
OTHERS AND ONE OF THE WAYS YOU
DO THAT IS WITH MONEY.
AND EVERYBODY WAS VERY CLEAR
THAT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
THIS YEAR IT WILL HAPPEN NEXT
YEAR SO IS THIS REALLY MORE
ABOUT NEXT YEAR THEN IT WAS
ABOUT THIS YEAR?
>> I THINK THEY COULD'VE BEEN
MORE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
CLEARLY THE ASSOCIATION WHO WAS
SUPPORTIVE CALLED IT SOMETHING
NEAR BASICALLY IRRELEVANT BY THE
END.
THEY WERE NOT HAPPY.
IF YOU DON'T GO INTO SESSION
WITH A CLEAR VISION AND SET YOUR
EXPECTATIONS THAT IN A SHORT
SESSION THE FISCAL IMPACT IS NOT
GOING TO BE VERY GREAT YOU WILL
HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED
AND IN THIS CASE DEMOCRATS
CLEARLY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR
UNDERWHELMING VIEW OF THIS, BUT
THE INDIANA MANUFACTURERS
ASSOCIATION THAT'S TYPICALLY A
REPUBLICAN REALM AND THEY ARE
NOT HAPPY EITHER.
>> NEITHER WAS THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE.
THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO IT
NECESSARILY IT WAS JUST LIKE
THIS IS ALL YOU'VE GOT.
SHE MENTIONED THE IDEA OF A
CLEAR VISION AND FOR THOSE OF US
WHO COVER THE STATE HOUSE, I
DON'T THINK WE SAW THAT FROM THE
LEADERSHIP.
IT WAS WE HAVE TO WORK ON
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BUT WHAT
THAT ACTUALLY MEANT WAS NOT AS
CLEAR.
GOING FORWARD NOW WHEN THEY TALK
ABOUT NEXT YEAR WE ARE GOING TO
DO THE BUDGET AND ALL THE STUFF,
IS THAT CLEAR VISION GOING TO BE
REQUIRED?
>> THE GOVERNOR WAS VERY CLEAR
ON WHAT HE WANTED TO SEE ON
THIS.
I THINK LEGISLATIVELY WE
STRUGGLED FROM THE BEGINNING TO
KIND OF PUT THIS FORWARD.
HERE'S WHAT I THINK WE DID GET
DONE.
WE HAVE TAKEN THE SWAG, WHICH
DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY
AUTHORITY TO DIRECT AGENCY WORK,
WE HAVE NOW CREATED A GOVERNING
BODY THAT HAS SOME TEETH THAT
CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SOME THINGS
HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT,
BUT SMALL, BUT NOT INSIGNIFICANT
VICTORY IN THIS SENATE.
>>>TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDB.
EACH WEEK WE POSE AN
UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL
QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR
ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT
ALERTS.
THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: WHAT GRADE
WOULD YOU GIVE LEGISLATORS FOR
THE 2018 SESSION?
A. A
B. B
C. C
D. D
E. F
OR MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE PUT
INCOMPLETE.
LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: WILL SEN.
JOE DONNELLY'S SUPPORT FOR A
BILL THAT ROLLS BACK REGULATIONS
ON MID-SIZE BANKS HELP HIM AT
THE POLLS?
36 PERCENT SAID YES, IT WELL.
17 PERCENT SAY IT WILL HURT HIM,
BUT MOST PEOPLE SAY IT WON'T
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART
IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR
AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.
>>>DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ANDRE
CARSON WAS CHASTISED THIS WEEK
FOR FAILING TO DENOUNCE NATION
OF ISLAM LEADER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.
THE SPOTLIGHT ON CARSON'S TIES
TO FARRAKHAN CAME AFTER
ANTI-SEMITIC REMARKS RECENTLY
MADE BY THE RELIGIOUS LEADER -
FOLLOWING FARRAKHAN'S LONG
HISTORY OF SUCH COMMENTS.
THE INDIANAPOLIS JEWISH
COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL
DENOUNCED THE REMARKS AND
EXPRESSED "EXTREME
DISAPPOINTMENT" THAT CONGRESSMAN
CARSON, WHO'S MET WITH
FARRAKHAN, WON'T DENOUNCE HIM.
REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO TIE
CARSON AND FARRAKHAN TO
DEMOCRATIC SENATOR JOE DONNELLY,
WHO COUNTS CARSON AS A SUPPORTER
AND USED THE INDIANAPOLIS
LAWMAKER IN A RADIO AD FOR HIS
CAMPAIGN.
JOHN KETZENBERGER, WILL CARSON'S
TIES TO FARRAKHAN BLOW BACK ON
JOE DONNELLY?
>> I THINK THAT IS CLEARLY THE
HOPE OF PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE JOE
DONNELLY ULTIMATELY IN THE END
AND IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING
WE ARE HEARING ONE NOTE
BASICALLY FROM THE REPUBLICAN
OPPONENTS AND THEN IS ANYTHING
JOE DONNELLY MIGHT THINK IS BAD
OR WE WILL TIE HIM HOWEVER, WE
CAN TO ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT
THINK HOOSIERS WILL BE UPSET
ABOUT.
IT'S REALLY A TERRIBLE WAY TO
RUN A CAMPAIGN, BUT IT GOES ALL
THE WAY BACK TO MEXICO JOE AND
THAT NONSENSE THEY STARTED WITH.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T THINK SO.
ANDRE CARSON IS HIS OWN MAN.
JOE DONNELLY IS HIS OWN MAN AND
IT'S THE TYING TOGETHER OF SUCH
INSIGNIFICANT AND UNKNOWN --
EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION ABOUT
LOUIS FARRAKHAN.
VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA OF
WHAT THE NATION OF ISLAM IS.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE
TO SHOW UP IN A TELEVISION AD TO
BE SENATOR TO SENATOR DONNELLY.
>> IN ANY CAMPAIGN THERE IS A
LITTLE ELEMENT ESPECIALLY AS AN
INCUMBENT THROAT ON THE WALL AND
SEE WHAT STICKS.
WITH A STICK OR NOT?
>> THAT'S CARSON.
>> JOE DONNELLY, LILL THIS
STICK FOR JOE DONNELLY?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
THERE'S NO ACTUAL TIE -- I MEAN
I THINK THERE ARE SOME STEPS
MISSING IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY ARE NOT TYING JOE DONNELLY
TO FARRAKHAN SO I DON'T THINK IT
WILL AFFECT THAT RACE AT ALL AND
I DON'T THINK IT WILL AFFECT
CARSON EITHER.
I THINK HIS CONSTITUENTS ARE
PRETTY SUPPORTIVE OF THE JOB HE
IS DOING AND DON'T APPEAR TO
REALLY BE BOTHERED BY SOME OF
THESE THINGS.
>> TO THAT POINT, SHOULD THIS
BE A PROBLEM FOR ANDRE CARSON?
>> , OF COURSE, IT SHOULD BE A
PROBLEM.
>> PROPS.
>> IF THIS HAD BEEN A
REPUBLICAN WE WOULD BE MUCH MORE
SPECIFIC AND IN THIS CASE LOUIS
FARRAKHAN SAID POWERFUL JEWS ARE
MY ENEMY.
THIS IS AN ANTI-SEMI TWO IN 30
YEARS HAS GONE ON THESE TIRADES
AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT ANDRE
CARSON IS UNWILLING TO
SPECIFICALLY DENOUNCE THESE
COMMENTS FROM LOUIS FARRAKHAN.
ESPECIALLY THOUGH WE DISAGREE ON
A LOT OF POLICY ISSUES THE
CONGRESSMAN AS BOTH A MUSLIM AND
AFRICAN-AMERICAN HAS BEEN THE
SUBJECT OF DISCRIMINATION BEFORE
AND I JUST FIND IT
UNCONSCIONABLE THAT WE EVEN HAVE
THIS DEBATE.
>> SHOULDN'T IT BE A
NO-BRAINER.
WHY NOT JUST SAY THESE COMMENTS
ARE BEYOND THE PALE AND I
DENOUNCE MY TIES WITH THIS
PERSON?
THESE SORTS OF THINGS HAVE BEEN
SET FOR A LONG TIME.
>> AND HE HAS COME OUT AND
SAID HE ABHORS ANTI-SEMITE
COMMENTS SUCH AS THESE.
I THINK HE HAS BEEN -- HE HAS A
CLEAR TRACK RECORD OF DENOUNCING
ANY TYPE OF PHOBIA THAT HAS COME
OUT AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
THEY HAVE BEEN USED AGAINST HIM.
I ALSO THINK HE HAS A CLEAR
RECORD OF TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO
HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH HIM
WHETHER IT'S LOUIS FARRAKHAN OR
REGIMENT NET NOT YAHOO! OR
SOMEONE WHO AGREES MOST OF THE
TIME LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
THAT IS HOW YOU BUILD DISCOURSE.
THAT'S WHAT LEADERS DO.
THEY TALK TO PEOPLE BUT THAT
DOESN'T MEAN YOU CONDONE WHAT
THEY SAY AND I DON'T THINK HE
HAS DONE IT IN THE CASE OF LOUIS
FARRAKHAN.
>> DO YOU THINK ANDRE CARSON
-- IT'S A PRETTY SAFE SEAT FOR
HIM AND A SAFE SEAT FOR MOST
INCUMBENTS.
IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT HIM AT
ALL IN THAT WAY?
>> ULTIMATELY I DON'T THINK IT
WILL AFFECT HIM, BUT IF AN
OPPONENT WANTED TO MAKE THAT
CASE HE COULD MAKE THAT CASE
DIRECTLY AGAINST ANDRE CARSON
AND FORCED HIM TO ANSWER FOR IT
BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT
HIM IN AN ELECTION.
>> THEN MAYBE DONALD TRUMP
SHOULD USE THE SAME LOGIC WITH
NORTH KOREA WHO HE SAID IS A
STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM,
THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE
HAPPENING.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE
HYPOCRITICAL TO HAVE A PRESIDENT
THAT IS GOING TO GO OUT AND HAVE
A CONVERSATION LIKE THAT AND
THEN CALL THE CONGRESSMAN THE
SAME FOR DOING THE SAME THING.
>>>AMERICANS FOR
PROSPERITY-INDIANA THIS WEEK
LAUNCHED ITS SECOND TV AD
ATTACKING SENATOR JOE DONNELLY
FOR HIS 'NO' VOTE ON THE FEDERAL
TAX BILL.
THE SELF-DESCRIBED FISCAL
CONSERVATIVE GROUP LAUNCHED A
TWO-MILLION DOLLAR AD AGAINST
DONNELLY IN FEBRUARY FOR HIS
VOTE ON THE TAX BILL.
NOW, AFP-INDIANA HAS DROPPED
ANOTHER TWO MILLION WITH A NEW
AD ON THE SAME ISSUE, FEATURING
A PURPORTED HOOSIER SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER.
>>AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY AD:
SENATOR DONNELLY JUST DOESN'T
REALIZE THE IMPACT THAT THESE
TAX CUTS HAVE ON THE EVERY DAY
PERSON AND THE EVERY DAY
BUSINESS.
JOE DONNELLY LET HOOSIERS DOWN.
>>BRANDON: THE DONNELLY CAMPAIGN
ARGUES THE TAX BILL WILL EXPLODE
THE DEFICIT AND THAT WHILE BIG
INSURERS GET TAX BREAKS,
HOOSIERS WILL SEE SIGNIFICANT
HEALTH CARE PREMIUM INCREASES.
JOEY FOX, THIS IS CLEARLY THE
ATTACK REPUBLICANS WILL FOCUS
MOST ON.
NOT JUST HERE, BUT ACROSS THE
COUNTRY THE TAX BILL WILL BE AN
ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN.
DOES THIS AD SERVE THAT CAUSE?
>> SURE IT DOES.
I THINK THE SENATOR VOTED
AGAINST LARGER PAYCHECKS FOR
EVERY DAY WORKING HOOSIERS AND
HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER FOR
THAT.
PEOPLE WILL SEE IT IN THEIR
PAYCHECKS AND WONDER BECAUSE WE
WILL MAKE THEM ASK THE QUESTION
WHY JOE DONNELLY WAS AGAINST
THAT.
I THINK HIS ANSWER IS THIS
RAMBLING ON THAT HE'S BEEN DOING
ABOUT WHY HE WAS AGAINST THIS.
I THINK HE WILL HAVE A HARD TIME
DEFENDING THAT POSITION.
>> NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC GROUPS
ARE NOW RUNNING ADS AND THEY
WILL START RUNNING ADS IN
INDIANA ON THE TAX BILL BUT
GOING THE OTHER WAY SAYING YES,
HE VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE OF
THE DEFICITS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
WHICH SIDE COMES OUT ON THIS IN
INDIANA?
>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
HOOSIERS WILL LOOK AT THEIR
PAYCHECK AND SPECIFICALLY AS
THEIR PAYCHECKS COME IN THEY
WILL BE SEEING THEIR HEALTHCARE
COSTS GO UP AND, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S GOING TO COST THEM.
I THINK IT'S IRONIC THAT IT'S A
FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE GROUP THAT
HAS PUT OUT AN AD LIKE THIS WHEN
IT SAYS HOOSIER DENT GENERATIONS
WILL BE PAYING FOR THIS FOR A
LONG TIME.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHY JOE
DONNELLY IS GOING TO VOTE
AGAINST IT BECAUSE THAT IS --
THAT AFFECTS HOOSIER FAMILIES
FOR GENERATIONS.
>> THIS AD PARTICULARLY, THE
WOMAN IN THE AD, A SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER APPEARS TO BE IN
THE MEDICAL FIELD BASED ON WHAT
SHE WAS WEARING AND DOING, IS
THAT -- IS IN EVERY DAY WORKING
CLASS HOOSIER GOING TO SEE THAT
AD AND SAY YES THAT IS ME?
>> I THINK WE ARE IN A
PAYCHECK SITUATION HERE, YOU GET
YOUR PAYCHECK AND THEY'VE
RECALCULATED BASED ON THE ADVICE
FROM THE IRS AND THERE IS MORE
TAKE-HOME PAY IN YOUR PAYCHECK.
AND WHO IS NOT UP FOR THAT?
EVERYBODY IS UP FOR THAT.
THAT GIVES REPUBLICANS AN
ARGUMENT TO MAKE.
FORTUNATELY FOR REPUBLICANS,
THAT ARGUMENT WILL BE MADE UNTIL
THE END OF THE ELECTION BECAUSE
NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME WHEN
PEOPLE ARE RECONCILING THEIR
TAXES FOR 2018, THEY ARE GOING
TO FIND OUT THAT MANY OF THEM
UNDER WITHHELD AND THAT IS
PRIMARILY WHY THERE.
CHECKS ARE LARGER.
THE CBO HAS LOOKED AT THIS, THE
INCOME GENERATED ADDITIONAL
INCOME GENERATED FOR MOST PEOPLE
IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT IT IS
NOT AS LARGE AS IT APPEARS.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A
BAIT AND SWITCH GOING HERE AND
REPUBLICANS ARE HOPING THEY WILL
LAST THROUGH NOVEMBER.
>> QUICKLY NIKKI WHO DO YOU
THINK AT THE END OF THIS COMES
OUT AHEAD ON THE TAX BILL
ARGUMENT?
REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS?
>> BECAUSE OF WHAT JOHN SAID
AND NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU SEE THE
DEDUCTIONS AND EXEMPTIONS GONNA
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT UP ON THE
OTHER END, PERFECT TIMING.
THEY REALLY TEED THAT ONE UP.
>>>FINALLY, MARCH MADNESS IS
UNDERWAY AS THE NCAA TOURNAMENT
BEGINS THIS WEEKEND.
TWO INDIANA TEAMS - PURDUE AND
BUTLER - MADE THE BIG DANCE,
THOUGH THEY COULD FACE EACH
OTHER IN JUST THE SECOND ROUND.
ELISE SHROCK, WHO'VE YOU GOT
WINNING THE TOURNEY THIS YEAR?
>> YOU KNOW MY TEAM THE BUTLER
BULLDOGS ARE STARTING TO TEE UP
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY PLANS
AFTERWARDS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
THEM MAKE IT ALL THE WAY.
I DO HAVE VILLANOVA WADING.
>> VERY QUICKLY.
>> BUTLER.
>> PERDUE.
>> VILLANOVA AS WELL.
>> ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GO FOR MY TEAM THE
MISSOURI TIGERS.
>>>THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW
FOR THIS WEEK.
OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ELISE
SHROCK, REPUBLICAN JOEY FOX,
NIKI KELLY OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS
AND POLITICAL ANALYST JOHN
KETZENBERGER.
IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS
PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT
WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY
YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON
DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE
NEW WFYI APP.
I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA
PUBLIC BROADCASTING.
JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT
CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.
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