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METAWE'RE TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE.
TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE. ARI, BYE.
ARI, BYE. >> BYE, KATY.
>> BYE, KATY. >>> THE TRUMP-MADE RUSSIA CRISIS
>>> THE TRUMP-MADE RUSSIA CRISIS ENGULFING THE WHITE HOUSE THIS
ENGULFING THE WHITE HOUSE THIS WEEK IS TAKING A MAJOR TURN
WEEK IS TAKING A MAJOR TURN RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS INVITING
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS INVITING VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE
VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR A NEW SEPARATE SPECIAL
HOUSE FOR A NEW SEPARATE SPECIAL MEETING.
MEETING. IT COMES AS HIS OWN INTEL CHIEF
IT COMES AS HIS OWN INTEL CHIEF CONCEDES TODAY THAT TRUMP DIDN'T
CONCEDES TODAY THAT TRUMP DIDN'T TAKE THE RIGHT APPROACH IN HIS
TAKE THE RIGHT APPROACH IN HIS BIG MEETING WITH PUTIN THIS
BIG MEETING WITH PUTIN THIS WEEK, SAYING HE WOULD HAVE DONE
WEEK, SAYING HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT A DIFFERENT WAY TO AVOID
IT A DIFFERENT WAY TO AVOID GIVING VLADIMIR PUTIN POWER BY
GIVING VLADIMIR PUTIN POWER BY HOLDING THIS NOW VERY
HOLDING THIS NOW VERY CONTROVERSIAL MEETING WITHOUT
CONTROVERSIAL MEETING WITHOUT U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF IN
U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF IN THE ROOM.
THE ROOM. >> THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT OUGHT
>> THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT OUGHT TO BE CONDUCTED.
TO BE CONDUCTED. I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED A
I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED A DIFFERENT WAY.
DIFFERENT WAY. BUT THAT'S NOT MY ROLE.
BUT THAT'S NOT MY ROLE. THAT'S NOT MY JOB.
THAT'S NOT MY JOB. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> IT IS WHAT IS.
>> IT IS WHAT IS. COATS MAKING WAVES BY ADMITTING
COATS MAKING WAVES BY ADMITTING HE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHEN
HE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHEN PUTIN'S TOP OFFICIALS WENT INTO
PUTIN'S TOP OFFICIALS WENT INTO THAT OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITHOUT
THAT OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITHOUT NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF, AND
NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF, AND THAT WAS, OF COURSE, ANOTHER
THAT WAS, OF COURSE, ANOTHER VERY ODD RUSSIA-RELATED MEETING
VERY ODD RUSSIA-RELATED MEETING TRUMP HELD.
TRUMP HELD. THE WHITE HOUSE IS PUSHING
THE WHITE HOUSE IS PUSHING FORWARD, THOUGH, WITH THIS OTHER
FORWARD, THOUGH, WITH THIS OTHER MEETING AMIDST UNIVERSAL
MEETING AMIDST UNIVERSAL CONDEMNATION OF THE HELSINKI
CONDEMNATION OF THE HELSINKI SUMMIT WHICH EVEN TRUMP
SUMMIT WHICH EVEN TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGED BY WALKING BACK
ACKNOWLEDGED BY WALKING BACK THREE DIFFERENT MAJOR RUSSIA
THREE DIFFERENT MAJOR RUSSIA POSITIONS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING
POSITIONS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE TAMPING DOWN A
THE WHITE HOUSE TAMPING DOWN A PROVOCATIVE ATTEMPT TO UNDERCUT
PROVOCATIVE ATTEMPT TO UNDERCUT THE AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA,
THE AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA, SUGGESTING HE COULD FACE A
SUGGESTING HE COULD FACE A GRILLING FROM THE KREMLIN.
GRILLING FROM THE KREMLIN. HERE'S THE WHOLE PROGRESSION.
HERE'S THE WHOLE PROGRESSION. >> HE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT
>> HE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.
IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OFFER.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OFFER. >> THE PRESIDENT'S GOING TO MEET
>> THE PRESIDENT'S GOING TO MEET WITH HIS TEAM AND WE'LL LET YOU
WITH HIS TEAM AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAVE AN
KNOW WHEN WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT.
ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT. >> DONALD TRUMP HAS NOW
>> DONALD TRUMP HAS NOW DISAGREED WITH THAT PROPOSAL,
DISAGREED WITH THAT PROPOSAL, THEY SAY IT WAS MADE IN
THEY SAY IT WAS MADE IN SINCERITY.
SINCERITY. BUT SOMETHING THEY DISAGREE
BUT SOMETHING THEY DISAGREE WITH, AND THEY WILL NOT BE
WITH, AND THEY WILL NOT BE PURSUING.
PURSUING. >> SOMETHING THEY NOW DISAGREE
>> SOMETHING THEY NOW DISAGREE WITH.
WITH. DONALD TRUMP DID CHEER THAT
DONALD TRUMP DID CHEER THAT OFFER, THOUGH, WHEN HE WAS AT
OFFER, THOUGH, WHEN HE WAS AT PUTIN'S SIDE, THEN LEAVING IT TO
PUTIN'S SIDE, THEN LEAVING IT TO AIDES TO DECLARE THIS
AIDES TO DECLARE THIS DISAGREEMENT, JUST LIKE HIS
DISAGREEMENT, JUST LIKE HIS SPOKESPERSON HAD TO SPIN THIS
SPOKESPERSON HAD TO SPIN THIS ODD EXCHANGE ABOUT RUSSIA ALSO
ODD EXCHANGE ABOUT RUSSIA ALSO THIS WEEK.
THIS WEEK. >> IS RUSSIA STILL TARGETING THE
>> IS RUSSIA STILL TARGETING THE U.S., MR. PRESIDENT?
U.S., MR. PRESIDENT? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LET'S GO, MAKE YOUR WAY OUT.
>> LET'S GO, MAKE YOUR WAY OUT. >> YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK
>> YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE PRESIDENT AFTER THE
WITH THE PRESIDENT AFTER THE COMMENTS, THE PRESIDENT WAS --
COMMENTS, THE PRESIDENT WAS -- SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WAS
SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WAS SAYING NO TO ANSWERING
SAYING NO TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. >> JUST NO TO ANSWERING
>> JUST NO TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. THOSE WALKBACKS PALE NEXT TO ONE
THOSE WALKBACKS PALE NEXT TO ONE EMPOWERING SO MANY JOKES AND
EMPOWERING SO MANY JOKES AND MEMES THIS WEEK.
MEMES THIS WEEK. THE REFERENCE TO A DOUBLE
THE REFERENCE TO A DOUBLE NEGATIVE TO SPIN HIS EMBRACE OF
NEGATIVE TO SPIN HIS EMBRACE OF PUTIN'S DEFENSE AT THE SUMMIT.
PUTIN'S DEFENSE AT THE SUMMIT. >> THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
>> THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T BE RUSSIA, SORT OF A
WOULDN'T BE RUSSIA, SORT OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE.
DOUBLE NEGATIVE. SO YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND I
SO YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY CLARIFIES
THINK THAT PROBABLY CLARIFIES THINGS PRETTY GOOD BY ITSELF.
THINGS PRETTY GOOD BY ITSELF. >> SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. DONALD TRUMP FORGED HIS ENTIRE
DONALD TRUMP FORGED HIS ENTIRE PUBLIC BRAND ON FIRING ANYONE,
PUBLIC BRAND ON FIRING ANYONE, FIGHTING ANYONE AND NEVER
FIGHTING ANYONE AND NEVER APOLOGIZING OR BACKING DOWN.
APOLOGIZING OR BACKING DOWN. HIS WHOLE AURA WAS REALITY STAR
HIS WHOLE AURA WAS REALITY STAR MEETS TOM PETTY, WON'T BACK
MEETS TOM PETTY, WON'T BACK DOWN, GONNA STAND MY GROUND, AND
DOWN, GONNA STAND MY GROUND, AND I WON'T BACK DOWN.
I WON'T BACK DOWN. THAT WAS THE NARRATIVE.
THAT WAS THE NARRATIVE. THIS WEEK, OF COURSE, EXPOSES
THIS WEEK, OF COURSE, EXPOSES THE GIANT EXCEPTION.
THE GIANT EXCEPTION. WHEN IT COMES TO PUTIN AND
WHEN IT COMES TO PUTIN AND RUSSIA POLICY, TRUMP WON'T
RUSSIA POLICY, TRUMP WON'T FIGHT.
FIGHT. HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S AFRAID PUTIN
HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S AFRAID PUTIN WILL FIRE HIM.
WILL FIRE HIM. HE SPENT FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS
HE SPENT FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS BACKING DOWN AND EXPLAINING
BACKING DOWN AND EXPLAINING HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. AND THIS QUITE BLATANT DEPARTURE
AND THIS QUITE BLATANT DEPARTURE FROM TRUMP'S NORMAL BRAND HAS
FROM TRUMP'S NORMAL BRAND HAS MANY SERIOUS PEOPLE ASKING
MANY SERIOUS PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS THIS WEEK.
QUESTIONS THIS WEEK. "THE NEW YORK TIMES," FRONT
"THE NEW YORK TIMES," FRONT PAGE, WITH AN ARTICLE
PAGE, WITH AN ARTICLE QUESTIONING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
QUESTIONING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TREASON MAY HIT THE OVAL OFFICE.
TREASON MAY HIT THE OVAL OFFICE. IF RUSSIA IS THE ONE TOPIC THAT
IF RUSSIA IS THE ONE TOPIC THAT TERMS TRUMP FROM A RELENTLESS
TERMS TRUMP FROM A RELENTLESS TOM PETTY FIGHTER TO A KIND OF A
TOM PETTY FIGHTER TO A KIND OF A BUMBLING, FLINCHING, FLAILING CA
BUMBLING, FLINCHING, FLAILING CA PITLATOR, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
PITLATOR, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK WHY.
ASK WHY. LIKE TONIGHT, PEOPLE ARE ASKING
LIKE TONIGHT, PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHY THIS WIDELY CONTENDED WEEK
WHY THIS WIDELY CONTENDED WEEK OF DONALD TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY
OF DONALD TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY TOWARDS RUSSIA IS BEING CAPPED
TOWARDS RUSSIA IS BEING CAPPED AT THIS HOUR WITH THIS
AT THIS HOUR WITH THIS DEVELOPING NEWS OF A DRAMATIC
DEVELOPING NEWS OF A DRAMATIC RED CARPET INVITE FOR VLADIMIR
RED CARPET INVITE FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I AM JOINED NOW BY FORMER
I AM JOINED NOW BY FORMER AMBASSADOR, MARK GINSBURG, WHO
AMBASSADOR, MARK GINSBURG, WHO CALLED MONDAY'S MEETING A SHAME
CALLED MONDAY'S MEETING A SHAME AND SURE REDDERRENDER SUMMIT.
AND SURE REDDERRENDER SUMMIT. AND SAM SEEDER.
AND SAM SEEDER. AMBASSADOR, I BEGIN WITH YOU,
AMBASSADOR, I BEGIN WITH YOU, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? >> WELL, IT'S HAPPENING LARGELY
>> WELL, IT'S HAPPENING LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE DURESS THAT TRUMP
BECAUSE OF THE DURESS THAT TRUMP HAS RECEIVED FROM SOME
HAS RECEIVED FROM SOME SUPPORTERS, PARTICULARLY NEWT
SUPPORTERS, PARTICULARLY NEWT GINGRICH AND A COUPLE OTHERS ON
GINGRICH AND A COUPLE OTHERS ON FOX NEWS.
FOX NEWS. THAT GOT UNDER HIS SKIN.
THAT GOT UNDER HIS SKIN. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTANCE.
SUBSTANCE. HE ACTUALLY IS CONVINCED THAT
HE ACTUALLY IS CONVINCED THAT WHAT HE DID IN HELSINKI WAS NOT
WHAT HE DID IN HELSINKI WAS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A CHAMBERLAIN
THE EQUIVALENT OF A CHAMBERLAIN SURRENDER, OR AN APPEASEMENT,
SURRENDER, OR AN APPEASEMENT, THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED
THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. WHAT HE SAID SAYING TO THE
WHAT HE SAID SAYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT MR.
AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM, THAT
PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM, THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS
THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS OBSEQUIOUS KOWTOWING TO PUTIN --
OBSEQUIOUS KOWTOWING TO PUTIN -- THAT PUTIN INFLICTED ON THE
THAT PUTIN INFLICTED ON THE UNITED STATES AND THE
UNITED STATES AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. IN MY HUMBLE BELIEF, THE EFFORTS
IN MY HUMBLE BELIEF, THE EFFORTS TRUMP HAS DONE TO ENGAGE PUTIN
TRUMP HAS DONE TO ENGAGE PUTIN SEPARATELY AND AWAY FROM ANY
SEPARATELY AND AWAY FROM ANY PRYING EAR OF ANY AIDE, IT'S
PRYING EAR OF ANY AIDE, IT'S BECAUSE MR. TRUMP IS FEARFUL
BECAUSE MR. TRUMP IS FEARFUL THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON
THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM.
HIM. >> THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE
>> THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S GETTING
QUESTIONS THAT'S GETTING MAINLINED.
MAINLINED. BECAUSE PUTIN HIMSELF WAS ASKED
BECAUSE PUTIN HIMSELF WAS ASKED ABOUT IT, BOTH AT THE SUMMIT,
ABOUT IT, BOTH AT THE SUMMIT, SENATOR, AS WELL AS IN THE FOX
SENATOR, AS WELL AS IN THE FOX INTERVIEW HE DID, WHICH WE'LL
INTERVIEW HE DID, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON LATER IN THE HOUR.
TOUCH ON LATER IN THE HOUR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS, IT
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN IF YOU FORGET
SEEMS LIKE EVEN IF YOU FORGET COLLUSION, AND THAT
COLLUSION, AND THAT INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NOT DONE
INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NOT DONE AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE
AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE PRE-JUDGED, SOMETHING VERY
PRE-JUDGED, SOMETHING VERY CONCERNING IS HAPPENING RIGHT
CONCERNING IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN WHILE
NOW BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN WHILE HE'S PRESIDENT.
HE'S PRESIDENT. IN SOME WAYS IT'S MORE PROFOUND
IN SOME WAYS IT'S MORE PROFOUND FOR NATIONAL SECURITY THAN
FOR NATIONAL SECURITY THAN PERHAPS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE
PERHAPS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED IN 2016.
OCCURRED IN 2016. >> IT ACTUALLY, TO THE CASUAL
>> IT ACTUALLY, TO THE CASUAL OBSERVER, WOULD APPEAR THAT
OBSERVER, WOULD APPEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WORRIED THAT
DONALD TRUMP IS WORRIED THAT SOMEHOW NOW HE'S OFFENDED PUTIN
SOMEHOW NOW HE'S OFFENDED PUTIN BY HIS RECENT WALKBACKS AND IS
BY HIS RECENT WALKBACKS AND IS NOW TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS.
NOW TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS. >> YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS
>> YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS OFFER IS ABOUT?
OFFER IS ABOUT? >> CERTAINLY, TO A CASUAL
>> CERTAINLY, TO A CASUAL OBSERVER, IT LOOKS THAT WAY.
OBSERVER, IT LOOKS THAT WAY. RATHER THAN ANSWERING YOUR
RATHER THAN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
QUESTION. I WANT TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT
I WANT TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WILLIAMS ASKED BOB KERRY.
WILLIAMS ASKED BOB KERRY. >> DO YOU WANT TO WALK OVER
>> DO YOU WANT TO WALK OVER THERE AND DO HIS SHOW, INSTEAD?
THERE AND DO HIS SHOW, INSTEAD? I WANT TO DO A LOT OF THINGS,
I WANT TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, SENATOR.
SENATOR. I'M GOING TO TRY THAT -- RATHER
I'M GOING TO TRY THAT -- RATHER THAN TAKING THIS ASSIGNMENT, I'M
THAN TAKING THIS ASSIGNMENT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE BEACH.
GOING TO GO TO THE BEACH. >> HE ASKED BOB LAST NIGHT
>> HE ASKED BOB LAST NIGHT NOTING THE REAL HEROES OF
NOTING THE REAL HEROES OF WATERGATE WERE REPUBLICANS.
WATERGATE WERE REPUBLICANS. WHERE IS THE HOWARD BAKER OF
WHERE IS THE HOWARD BAKER OF THIS CRISIS.
THIS CRISIS. AND IT OCCURRED TO ME, HEARING
AND IT OCCURRED TO ME, HEARING ABOUT THIS NEW SUMMIT TODAY,
ABOUT THIS NEW SUMMIT TODAY, MITCH McCONNELL, ORRIN HATCH,
MITCH McCONNELL, ORRIN HATCH, GRASSLEY, PEOPLE IN THE TWILIGHT
GRASSLEY, PEOPLE IN THE TWILIGHT OF THEIR CAREERS, YOU'RE EITHER
OF THEIR CAREERS, YOU'RE EITHER NEVER GOING TO BE FORGIVEN FOR
NEVER GOING TO BE FORGIVEN FOR BEING SILENT THESE WEEKS OR IF
BEING SILENT THESE WEEKS OR IF YOU SPEAK UP NOW, NEVER
YOU SPEAK UP NOW, NEVER FORGOTTEN.
FORGOTTEN. MITCH McCONNELL NEEDS TO GO TO
MITCH McCONNELL NEEDS TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAY WHEN
THE PRESIDENT AND SAY WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN COMES BACK TO
VLADIMIR PUTIN COMES BACK TO THIS COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF
THIS COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICAN SECURITY, OUR
AMERICAN SECURITY, OUR CREDIBILITY WITH OUR ALLIES, THE
CREDIBILITY WITH OUR ALLIES, THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR OFFICE, THE
CREDIBILITY OF YOUR OFFICE, THE FUNCTIONING OF THIS GOVERNMENT,
FUNCTIONING OF THIS GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE NOT TO MEET WITH HIM
YOU ARE NOT TO MEET WITH HIM ALONE.
ALONE. AND IF YOU DO YOU CANNOT COUNT
AND IF YOU DO YOU CANNOT COUNT ON ME WHEN THE REPORT COMES OUT
ON ME WHEN THE REPORT COMES OUT FROM MUELLER, MAKE IT CLEAR AND
FROM MUELLER, MAKE IT CLEAR AND PUT IT ON THE LINE.
PUT IT ON THE LINE. OTHERWISE, WHAT ALLY IS EVER
OTHERWISE, WHAT ALLY IS EVER GOING TO SHARE WITH INTELLIGENCE
GOING TO SHARE WITH INTELLIGENCE WITH US ABOUT RUSSIA AGAIN?
WITH US ABOUT RUSSIA AGAIN? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESTORE
AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESTORE CREDIBILITY TO THIS
CREDIBILITY TO THIS ADMINISTRATION?
ADMINISTRATION? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A
I WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE.
MINUTE. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ASKING
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ASKING DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR AND WHY --
PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR AND WHY -- >> YOU MEAN THE KIND OF
>> YOU MEAN THE KIND OF QUESTIONS BRIAN WILLIAMS ASKED.
QUESTIONS BRIAN WILLIAMS ASKED. I KNOW THE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THE KIND OF QUESTIONS. >> WHAT ON EARTH?
>> WHAT ON EARTH? >> THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE WORTH
>> THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING.
ANSWERING. >> THE ONES WE'VE RAISED ON THIS
>> THE ONES WE'VE RAISED ON THIS SHOW THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING.
SHOW THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING. BUT IT REALLY -- WE SHOULD ALL
BUT IT REALLY -- WE SHOULD ALL JUST BE ALARMED, PERSONALLY
JUST BE ALARMED, PERSONALLY OFFENDED, BUT OUR COUNTRY IS IN
OFFENDED, BUT OUR COUNTRY IS IN JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW.
JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT JUST A POLITICAL
THIS IS NOT JUST A POLITICAL ISSUE.
ISSUE. WE OFTEN GET ON TV AND
WE OFTEN GET ON TV AND POLITICIZE THINGS, RIGHT?
POLITICIZE THINGS, RIGHT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR OUR NATIONAL
AT STAKE FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY?
SECURITY? >> WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR NATIONAL
>> WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS
SECURITY IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL SHOULD CARE
ON CAPITOL HILL SHOULD CARE ABOUT.
ABOUT. THE FACT WE HAVE THIS MAN WHO'S
THE FACT WE HAVE THIS MAN WHO'S BEHAVING ERRATICALLY, DOESN'T
BEHAVING ERRATICALLY, DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY KIND OF MEMORY,
SEEM TO HAVE ANY KIND OF MEMORY, A LACK OF EMPATHY, THERE'S
A LACK OF EMPATHY, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY
SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PATHOLOGICAL ABOUT THE WAY HE IS
PATHOLOGICAL ABOUT THE WAY HE IS OPERATING THAT THERE'S A REASON
OPERATING THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF
WHY WE HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. IF THERE IS ANY MOMENT IN TIME
IF THERE IS ANY MOMENT IN TIME THAT CONGRESS SHOULD STEP UP AND
THAT CONGRESS SHOULD STEP UP AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE SOMETHING
SAY WAIT A MINUTE SOMETHING ABOUT JUDGMENT ISN'T RIGHT, WE
ABOUT JUDGMENT ISN'T RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO EXERCISE BETTER
ACTUALLY NEED TO EXERCISE BETTER JUDGMENT HERE, THEY SHOULD, BUT
JUDGMENT HERE, THEY SHOULD, BUT WE SAW TODAY THAT THE
WE SAW TODAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS IN
REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS IN CONGRESS BECAUSE THEY'VE REFUSED
CONGRESS BECAUSE THEY'VE REFUSED TO EVEN JUST -- TO VOTE AND SAY
TO EVEN JUST -- TO VOTE AND SAY THAT WE SUPPORT OUR INTELLIGENCE
THAT WE SUPPORT OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND WE AGREE AND WE
COMMUNITY AND WE AGREE AND WE KNOW IT TO BE TRUE, THAT THE
KNOW IT TO BE TRUE, THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE MEDDLED.
RUSSIANS HAVE MEDDLED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD
GET TO WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE.
BE. >> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW,
>> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN -- EVEN IF YOU BACK UP JUST
EVEN -- EVEN IF YOU BACK UP JUST TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY
TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS
THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEMOCRATIC
IS PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEMOCRATIC STANDPOINT.
STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL DEED,
YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL DEED, DEMOCRATIC, THE IDEA THAT THESE
DEMOCRATIC, THE IDEA THAT THESE TWO MEN ARE MEETING WITHOUT ANY
TWO MEN ARE MEETING WITHOUT ANY RECORD WHATSOEVER AND WITHOUT
RECORD WHATSOEVER AND WITHOUT ANY NOTION OF WHAT THE AGENDA IS
ANY NOTION OF WHAT THE AGENDA IS IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG
IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THESE
BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THESE SECOND ASK THIRD ORDER QUESTIONS
SECOND ASK THIRD ORDER QUESTIONS WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE
WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE INCREASINGLY BECOMING FIRST
INCREASINGLY BECOMING FIRST ORDER QUESTIONS.
ORDER QUESTIONS. >> WHICH IS A QUESTION THAT
>> WHICH IS A QUESTION THAT CONSERVATIVES OFTEN LIKE TO POSE
CONSERVATIVES OFTEN LIKE TO POSE IN THE LEGAL PROCESS.
IN THE LEGAL PROCESS. IF YOU'RE NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE
IF YOU'RE NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE YOU HIDING?
YOU HIDING? >> YES, AND ALSO YOU'RE THE
>> YES, AND ALSO YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF A -- YOU'RE
PRESIDENT OF A -- YOU'RE DEMOCRATLY ELECTED PRESIDENT
DEMOCRATLY ELECTED PRESIDENT WHEN YOU GO IN AND MEET WITH
WHEN YOU GO IN AND MEET WITH THIS WORLD LEADER, WE HAVE A
THIS WORLD LEADER, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS
RIGHT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED, AT LEAST IN
BEING DISCUSSED, AT LEAST IN BROAD STROKES.
BROAD STROKES. >> I WOULD PUSH YOU ON THAT, THE
>> I WOULD PUSH YOU ON THAT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS HAS
NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS HAS A RIGHT.
A RIGHT. THE ENTIRE PUBLIC DOES NOT.
THE ENTIRE PUBLIC DOES NOT. BUT THE NOTION, TO YOUR POINT,
BUT THE NOTION, TO YOUR POINT, THE NOTION THAT THE NATIONAL
THE NOTION THAT THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE DIRECTOR SITTING
INTELLIGENCE DIRECTOR SITTING DOWN WITH OUR OWN ANDREA
DOWN WITH OUR OWN ANDREA MITCHELL TONIGHT IS SAYING IN
MITCHELL TONIGHT IS SAYING IN PUBLIC, PERHAPS AS A SIGNAL TO
PUBLIC, PERHAPS AS A SIGNAL TO PEOPLE THAT SOMETHING'S OFF, I
PEOPLE THAT SOMETHING'S OFF, I AM BEING KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP ON
AM BEING KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP ON THIS AND I KNOW MORE THAN THE
THIS AND I KNOW MORE THAN THE PRESIDENT, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO
PRESIDENT, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE GUARDING OUR NATION'S SECRETS
BE GUARDING OUR NATION'S SECRETS IN A NONPARTISAN WAY.
IN A NONPARTISAN WAY. WHY IS HE BEING KEPT OUT?
WHY IS HE BEING KEPT OUT? >> THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> THAT'S THE QUESTION. THE FACT THAT HE'S GOING PUBLIC
THE FACT THAT HE'S GOING PUBLIC WITH THIS IS PRETTY STUNNING.
WITH THIS IS PRETTY STUNNING. THERE'S A LOT OF RED FLAGS BEING
THERE'S A LOT OF RED FLAGS BEING WAVED AROUND IN A LOT OF
WAVED AROUND IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUARTERS RIGHT NOW
DIFFERENT QUARTERS RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS SORT OF LIKE SOFT ATTEMPT,
THIS SORT OF LIKE SOFT ATTEMPT, MAYBE IT'S GETTING HARDER.
MAYBE IT'S GETTING HARDER. >> YEAH, BUT IT'S SOFT, IT'S
>> YEAH, BUT IT'S SOFT, IT'S SOFT.
SOFT. >> IT'S WAY TOO SOFT.
>> IT'S WAY TOO SOFT. >> WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THIS
>> WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THIS HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE ARE GOING
HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR
TO SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR GENERAL MATTIS, AND POMPEO.
GENERAL MATTIS, AND POMPEO. HISTORY WILL ASK, WHERE WERE
HISTORY WILL ASK, WHERE WERE YOU?
YOU? IF THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED
IF THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES IS AT ISSUE, WHERE WERE
STATES IS AT ISSUE, WHERE WERE YOU?
YOU? AND TO ALL OF YOU, AND I GO BACK
AND TO ALL OF YOU, AND I GO BACK TO MITCH McCONNELL, ABOUT
TO MITCH McCONNELL, ABOUT MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT,
MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT, ABOUT INSISTING THERE BE SOMEONE
ABOUT INSISTING THERE BE SOMEONE ELSE IN THE ROOM.
ELSE IN THE ROOM. GO TO THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET,
GO TO THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET, ARE THESE JOBS SO VALUABLE, IS
ARE THESE JOBS SO VALUABLE, IS BEING IN THE CABINET SO
BEING IN THE CABINET SO IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD
IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTRY TO BE
ALLOW THE COUNTRY TO BE COMPROMISED AND YOUR OWN
COMPROMISED AND YOUR OWN REPUTATION TO BE SULLIED,
REPUTATION TO BE SULLIED, PERHAPS NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE
PERHAPS NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE EYES OF HISTORY?
EYES OF HISTORY? IS THERE NOT A HOWARD BAKER IN
IS THERE NOT A HOWARD BAKER IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES
THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT?
GOVERNMENT? >> LET ME TAKE THAT TO --
>> LET ME TAKE THAT TO -- >> IS THERE NOT A PATRIOT IN THE
>> IS THERE NOT A PATRIOT IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT?
ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT? THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT?
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? SO THE ENTIRE CABINET IS
SO THE ENTIRE CABINET IS COMPLETELY NEUTERED RIGHT NOW.
COMPLETELY NEUTERED RIGHT NOW. >> WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO
>> WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
THIS QUESTION. MITCH McCONNELL WOULDN'T EVEN
MITCH McCONNELL WOULDN'T EVEN LET -- WAS GOING TO -- WAS GOING
LET -- WAS GOING TO -- WAS GOING TO PUNISH POLITICALLY ANYONE WHO
TO PUNISH POLITICALLY ANYONE WHO MENTIONED THIS PRIOR TO THE
MENTIONED THIS PRIOR TO THE RUNUP OF THE ELECTION.
RUNUP OF THE ELECTION. MITCH McCONNELL HAS MADE HIS
MITCH McCONNELL HAS MADE HIS BED.
BED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO
I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS MOMENT WHERE MITCH
BE THIS MOMENT WHERE MITCH McCONNELL ALL THE SUDDEN BECOMES
McCONNELL ALL THE SUDDEN BECOMES A DIFFERENT PERSON.
A DIFFERENT PERSON. >> THAT GOES TO WHETHER PEOPLE
>> THAT GOES TO WHETHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY STANDING BY BUT
ARE NOT ONLY STANDING BY BUT POTENTIALLY, ALLEGEDLY BECOMING
POTENTIALLY, ALLEGEDLY BECOMING THE KIND OF INTERFERENCE THAT
THE KIND OF INTERFERENCE THAT SUBVERSES DEMOCRACY, THE TYPE AS
SUBVERSES DEMOCRACY, THE TYPE AS CHARGED IN THE MUELLER
CHARGED IN THE MUELLER INDICTMENT, AN INTERNATIONAL
INDICTMENT, AN INTERNATIONAL ELECTION-RELATED CONSPIRACY.
ELECTION-RELATED CONSPIRACY. AMBASSADOR, AS SOMEONE WHO
AMBASSADOR, AS SOMEONE WHO SERVED, I'LL PLAY FOR YOU SOME
SERVED, I'LL PLAY FOR YOU SOME OF THE REACTION TO SOMETHING
OF THE REACTION TO SOMETHING THAT WAS THE BIG STORY EARLIER
THAT WAS THE BIG STORY EARLIER TODAY, BEFORE, AGAIN AS WE'RE
TODAY, BEFORE, AGAIN AS WE'RE REPORTING TONIGHT, BEFORE DONALD
REPORTING TONIGHT, BEFORE DONALD TRUMP JUST MADE A NEW OFFER TO
TRUMP JUST MADE A NEW OFFER TO VLADIMIR PUTIN TO COME TO THE
VLADIMIR PUTIN TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. BEFORE THAT THERE WAS THE WHITE
BEFORE THAT THERE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE BASICALLY LEAVING UP IN
HOUSE BASICALLY LEAVING UP IN THE AIR THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD
THE AIR THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD LET THE KREMLIN DEPOSE PEOPLE
LET THE KREMLIN DEPOSE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO'VE BEEN
LIKE YOURSELF WHO'VE BEEN AMBASSADORS BEFORE TO RUSSIA,
AMBASSADORS BEFORE TO RUSSIA, TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THE
TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THE RESPONSE TO THAT INSANITY.
RESPONSE TO THAT INSANITY. >> THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TO
>> THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS SHOWS TO ME
EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS SHOWS TO ME HOW NAIVE THEY ARE.
HOW NAIVE THEY ARE. >> THE PRESIDENT WOULD WORK WITH
>> THE PRESIDENT WOULD WORK WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN TO PUT IN DANGER
VLADIMIR PUTIN TO PUT IN DANGER OUR AMBASSADOR STRIKES ME AS
OUR AMBASSADOR STRIKES ME AS ALMOST PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT
ALMOST PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY.
TO THE ENEMY. >> IT WAS INCREDIBLE, ALL RIGHT,
>> IT WAS INCREDIBLE, ALL RIGHT, WHAT A STUPID IDEA BY PUTIN,
WHAT A STUPID IDEA BY PUTIN, CONTINUALLY WALKING BACK, IT'S A
CONTINUALLY WALKING BACK, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
BIG PROBLEM. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CART WHEELS
I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CART WHEELS THEY'RE DOING OVER IN RUSSIA.
THEY'RE DOING OVER IN RUSSIA. >> AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, YOU HAVE
>> AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, YOU HAVE HELD THIS TYPE OF POST.
HELD THIS TYPE OF POST. WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW OF THAT,
WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW OF THAT, WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE IS WALKING
WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE IS WALKING AWAY FROM, AND HAVE YOU EVER
AWAY FROM, AND HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
HEARD OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TRYING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DEAL
TRYING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DEAL WITH RUSSIA?
WITH RUSSIA? >> NEVER, NEVER HAVE I EVER, IN
>> NEVER, NEVER HAVE I EVER, IN ALL MY YEARS, GOING BACK TO THE
ALL MY YEARS, GOING BACK TO THE DAYS THAT I WORKED FOR SENATOR
DAYS THAT I WORKED FOR SENATOR KENNEDY ON THE HILL, NEVER HAVE
KENNEDY ON THE HILL, NEVER HAVE I SEEN ANY OBSEQUIOUSNESS, THE
I SEEN ANY OBSEQUIOUSNESS, THE IDEA THAT TRUMP COULD CALL THIS
IDEA THAT TRUMP COULD CALL THIS AN INCREDIBLE OFFER AND PUT IN
AN INCREDIBLE OFFER AND PUT IN JEOPARDY, FIRST OF ALL, MY GOOD
JEOPARDY, FIRST OF ALL, MY GOOD FRIEND MICHAEL McFAUL, FORMER
FRIEND MICHAEL McFAUL, FORMER AMBASSADOR OF RUSSIA, DURING HIS
AMBASSADOR OF RUSSIA, DURING HIS TOUR OF DUTY IN RUSSIA WAS
TOUR OF DUTY IN RUSSIA WAS SUBJECTED TO THE WORST TYPE OF
SUBJECTED TO THE WORST TYPE OF HARASSMENT BY PUTIN AND HIS
HARASSMENT BY PUTIN AND HIS THUGS, HIS FAMILY, HIMSELF
THUGS, HIS FAMILY, HIMSELF UNDERMINING THE INTEGRITY,
UNDERMINING THE INTEGRITY, ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTED THE
ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTED THE PROTECTION OF THE VIENNA
PROTECTION OF THE VIENNA CONVENTION FOR DIPLOMATS.
CONVENTION FOR DIPLOMATS. PUTIN WILL STOP AT NOTHING.
PUTIN WILL STOP AT NOTHING. BY THE WAY, MAY I ADD, THE FACT
BY THE WAY, MAY I ADD, THE FACT THAT PUTIN OFFERED TO LET
THAT PUTIN OFFERED TO LET MUELLER COME OVER AND QUESTION
MUELLER COME OVER AND QUESTION HIS AGENTS, HIS MILITARY AGENTS
HIS AGENTS, HIS MILITARY AGENTS ONLY SHOWS YOU THAT PUTIN KNEW
ONLY SHOWS YOU THAT PUTIN KNEW AND IN EFFECT RECOGNIZES THAT
AND IN EFFECT RECOGNIZES THAT THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR
THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM.
HIM. SO MAYBE IN THE END WE GOT THAT
SO MAYBE IN THE END WE GOT THAT LITTLE PIECE OUT OF IT.
LITTLE PIECE OUT OF IT. BUT LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR,
BUT LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, ARI, THE FACT THAT THIS WHITE
ARI, THE FACT THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE REQUIRED PEOPLE LIKE MIKE
HOUSE REQUIRED PEOPLE LIKE MIKE McFAUL AND MR. BROWDER TO HAVE
McFAUL AND MR. BROWDER TO HAVE TO WORRY WHETHER OR NOT THEY
TO WORRY WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE SERVED UP ON A SILVER
WOULD BE SERVED UP ON A SILVER PLATTER TO MR. PUTIN BY THE
PLATTER TO MR. PUTIN BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS DESPICABLE.
IS DESPICABLE. >> I THINK IT'S WELL PUT.
>> I THINK IT'S WELL PUT. AND IT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
AND IT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE MAY BE
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE MAY BE TRYING TO RUN FROM TONIGHT WITH
TRYING TO RUN FROM TONIGHT WITH THE OTHER MOVES IT'S MAKING
THE OTHER MOVES IT'S MAKING WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY NEWSWORTHY,
WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY NEWSWORTHY, THE INVITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE
THE INVITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR PUTIN, AND YET WAS A
FOR PUTIN, AND YET WAS A REMARKABLE PIECE OF STATE CRAFT
REMARKABLE PIECE OF STATE CRAFT OVER THESE LAST FEW DAYS THAT IT
OVER THESE LAST FEW DAYS THAT IT WAS EVEN, AS YOU SAY, PUT OUT
WAS EVEN, AS YOU SAY, PUT OUT THERE.
THERE. AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, MY THANKS

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