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ALL OF IT AS THE 11th HOUR GETS UNDER WAY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
UNDER WAY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. >>> GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK.
>>> GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK. DAY 554 OF THE TRUMP
DAY 554 OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT
ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT ESCALATES THE WAR ON HIS FORMER
ESCALATES THE WAR ON HIS FORMER LAWYER AND CONFIDANT MICHAEL
LAWYER AND CONFIDANT MICHAEL COHEN WHILE DENYING HE HAD ANY
COHEN WHILE DENYING HE HAD ANY ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE JUNE
ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE JUNE 2016 MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER.
2016 MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER. A SOURCE HAS TOLD NBC NEWS COHEN
A SOURCE HAS TOLD NBC NEWS COHEN IS WILLING TO TELL ROBERT
IS WILLING TO TELL ROBERT MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR
MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR INFORMED HIS FATHER ABOUT THE
INFORMED HIS FATHER ABOUT THE MEETING BEFORE IT TOOK PLACE.
MEETING BEFORE IT TOOK PLACE. TRUMP SON HAD THE MEETING WITH
TRUMP SON HAD THE MEETING WITH SEVERAL RUSSIANS AFTER HE WAS
SEVERAL RUSSIANS AFTER HE WAS TOLD THEY WERE COMING PREPARED
TOLD THEY WERE COMING PREPARED WITH DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT
WITH DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON.
HILLARY CLINTON. THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED SO THE
THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED SO THE FAKE NEWS DOESN'T WASTE MY TIME
FAKE NEWS DOESN'T WASTE MY TIME WITH DUMB QUESTIONS, NO I DID
WITH DUMB QUESTIONS, NO I DID NOT KNOW OF THE MEETING WITH MY
NOT KNOW OF THE MEETING WITH MY SON.
SON. SOUNDS
SOUNDS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES TO GET
TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF AN UNRELATED JAM.
HIMSELF OUT OF AN UNRELATED JAM. TAXICABS, MAYBE.
TAXICABS, MAYBE. WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE.
WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE. HE RETAINED BILL AND CROOKED
HE RETAINED BILL AND CROOKED HILLARY'S LAWYER.
HILLARY'S LAWYER. I WONDER IF THEY MADE HIM HELP
I WONDER IF THEY MADE HIM HELP THE CHOICE.
THE CHOICE. THE
THE THE PRESIDENT STEERED CLEAR OF
THE PRESIDENT STEERED CLEAR OF THIS TOPIC DURING HIS EVENT AT
THIS TOPIC DURING HIS EVENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY DESIGNED
THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY DESIGNED TO HIGHLIGHT ECONOMIC NUMBERS.
TO HIGHLIGHT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. AS TRUMP WRAPPED UP KRISTEN
AS TRUMP WRAPPED UP KRISTEN WELKER ASKED HIM ABOUT MICHAEL
WELKER ASKED HIM ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN.
COHEN. >> IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
>> IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
TRUTH? IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
TRUTH? IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
TRUTH? >> AS WE SAY IT'S BEEN TEN TIMES
>> AS WE SAY IT'S BEEN TEN TIMES NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS IGNORED
NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS IGNORED REPORTERS QUESTIONS SINCE THE
REPORTERS QUESTIONS SINCE THE COHEN AUDIO FIRST AIRED TUESDAY
COHEN AUDIO FIRST AIRED TUESDAY EVENING.
EVENING. THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE WHITE
THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS IN THE
HOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS IN THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY.
ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY. ON THE COHEN FRONT POLITICO
ON THE COHEN FRONT POLITICO REPORTS THE PRESIDENT ADVISORS
REPORTS THE PRESIDENT ADVISORS HAVE BEEN TAKEN ABACK BY COHEN'S
HAVE BEEN TAKEN ABACK BY COHEN'S NO HOLDS BARRED APPROACH AND HIS
NO HOLDS BARRED APPROACH AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO PUBLICLY REVEAL
WILLINGNESS TO PUBLICLY REVEAL POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING DETAILS
POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING DETAILS OF HIS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS
OF HIS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT.
WITH THE PRESIDENT. ASKED TO DESCRIBE THE MOOD AMONG
ASKED TO DESCRIBE THE MOOD AMONG TRUMP'S CLOSE CONFIDANTS, ONE
TRUMP'S CLOSE CONFIDANTS, ONE PERSON CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT
PERSON CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT REPLIED SIMPLY NOT GOOD.
REPLIED SIMPLY NOT GOOD. TRUMP IS ENRANGED OVER THE COHEN
TRUMP IS ENRANGED OVER THE COHEN REVELATIONS.
REVELATIONS. EMILY JANE FOX WHO IS STANDING
EMILY JANE FOX WHO IS STANDING BY SDWROINTO JOIN US, HER LATEST
BY SDWROINTO JOIN US, HER LATEST OUT JUST LATE TODAY DETAILS THE
OUT JUST LATE TODAY DETAILS THE CURRENT MOOD IN THE COHEN CAMP.
CURRENT MOOD IN THE COHEN CAMP. NOW THE BOND BETWEEN TRUMP AND
NOW THE BOND BETWEEN TRUMP AND COHEN APPEARS TO BE IRREVOCABLY
COHEN APPEARS TO BE IRREVOCABLY TORN ASUNDAYER.
TORN ASUNDAYER. MAYBE COHEN WILL BE THE ONE TO
MAYBE COHEN WILL BE THE ONE TO PULL THIS WHOLE THING APART.
PULL THIS WHOLE THING APART. HE'S THE NEXT JOHN DEAN.
HE'S THE NEXT JOHN DEAN. FOX ALSO REPORTS ONE OF THE
FOX ALSO REPORTS ONE OF THE PEOPLE SHE SPOKE TO REFERRED TO
PEOPLE SHE SPOKE TO REFERRED TO COHEN AS HAVING QUOTE, A
COHEN AS HAVING QUOTE, A TREASURE-TROVE OF INFORMATION
TREASURE-TROVE OF INFORMATION THAT HE SAYS HE COULD UNLEASH IN
THAT HE SAYS HE COULD UNLEASH IN ORDER TO RECIPROCALLY COMPLICATE
ORDER TO RECIPROCALLY COMPLICATE THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE.
THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE. >> WHAT MICHAEL HAS MADE VERY
>> WHAT MICHAEL HAS MADE VERY CLEAR AND THIS IS MAN HE WORKED
CLEAR AND THIS IS MAN HE WORKED FOR, NOTHING WENT ON IN THIS
FOR, NOTHING WENT ON IN THIS BUSINESS WITHOUT DONALD KNOWING
BUSINESS WITHOUT DONALD KNOWING ABOUT IT AND HE LED ME TO
ABOUT IT AND HE LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD BRING
BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD BRING TRUMP BACK TO RUSSIA.
TRUMP BACK TO RUSSIA. WHAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY TO ME
WHAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY TO ME WAS NOT A SURPRISED BASED ON
WAS NOT A SURPRISED BASED ON CONVERSATIONS MICHAEL AND I HAD.
CONVERSATIONS MICHAEL AND I HAD. >> DID HE REFERENCE THIS MEETING
>> DID HE REFERENCE THIS MEETING IN PARTICULAR?
IN PARTICULAR? >> YES, HE DID.
>> YES, HE DID. >> ROBERT MUELLER, FOR HIS PART,
>> ROBERT MUELLER, FOR HIS PART, HAS NOT YET SPOKEN TO DONALD
HAS NOT YET SPOKEN TO DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR BUT THE TWO MEN
TRUMP JUNIOR BUT THE TWO MEN WERE A FEW FEET APART TODAY.
WERE A FEW FEET APART TODAY. POLITICO PUBLISHED OF BOTH MEN
POLITICO PUBLISHED OF BOTH MEN WAITING FOR THE SAME FLIGHT OUT
WAITING FOR THE SAME FLIGHT OUT OF D.C. WHILE SEEMINGLY UNAWARE
OF D.C. WHILE SEEMINGLY UNAWARE OF EACH OTHER AT WASHINGTON
OF EACH OTHER AT WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT.
NATIONAL AIRPORT. THERE'S ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT
THERE'S ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT REGARDING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
REGARDING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. MUELLER'S OFFICE PLANS TO CALL
MUELLER'S OFFICE PLANS TO CALL 35 WITNESSES IN FINANCIAL CRIMES
35 WITNESSES IN FINANCIAL CRIMES TRIAL OF PAUL MANAFORT WHICH IS
TRIAL OF PAUL MANAFORT WHICH IS SLATED TO BEGIN TUESDAY.
SLATED TO BEGIN TUESDAY. THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO TRIALS
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO TRIALS FOR MANAFORT.
FOR MANAFORT. THE WITNESS LIST WAS MADE PUBLIC
THE WITNESS LIST WAS MADE PUBLIC JUST TODAY.
JUST TODAY. THE BIGGEST NAME ON IT, NO
THE BIGGEST NAME ON IT, NO SURPRISE IS RICK GATES.
SURPRISE IS RICK GATES. MANAFORT'S FORMER PARTNER AND
MANAFORT'S FORMER PARTNER AND ONE TIME DEPUTY ON THE TRUMP
ONE TIME DEPUTY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHO PLEADED GUILTY AND
CAMPAIGN WHO PLEADED GUILTY AND IS COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER
IS COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. AFTER ALL OF THAT, LET'S BRING
AFTER ALL OF THAT, LET'S BRING IN OUR LEAD OFF PANEL.
IN OUR LEAD OFF PANEL. EMILY JANE FOX.
EMILY JANE FOX. SHE WROTE THE BOOK ON THE TRUMP
SHE WROTE THE BOOK ON THE TRUMP FAMILY.
FAMILY. IT'S CALLED "BORN TRUMP, INSIDE
IT'S CALLED "BORN TRUMP, INSIDE AMERICA'S FIRST FAMILY."
AMERICA'S FIRST FAMILY." JILL WINEBANKS.
JILL WINEBANKS. GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL.
GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. EMILY, HERE IN NEW YORK, I'D
EMILY, HERE IN NEW YORK, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU.
LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU. IN THIS RELATIONSHIP HASN'T
IN THIS RELATIONSHIP HASN'T SOURED, I'D HATE TO SEE A
SOURED, I'D HATE TO SEE A RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS.
RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS. >> SEEMS A LITTLE CHILLY.
>> SEEMS A LITTLE CHILLY. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. HELP ME GO THROUGH THE TWO CAMPS
HELP ME GO THROUGH THE TWO CAMPS OF BELIEF, WILL YOU PLEASE.
OF BELIEF, WILL YOU PLEASE. HOW THESE RECORDINGS HAVE
HOW THESE RECORDINGS HAVE ENTERING THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
ENTERING THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. THERE'S BELIEF NUMBER ONE THAT
THERE'S BELIEF NUMBER ONE THAT COHEN HAS LEAKED THESE AS A
COHEN HAS LEAKED THESE AS A BRUSH BACK PITCH TO SAY MR.
BRUSH BACK PITCH TO SAY MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S A LOT MORE
PRESIDENT, THERE'S A LOT MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
WHERE THIS CAME FROM. THEORY NUMBER TWO IS THIS IS
THEORY NUMBER TWO IS THIS IS COME FRGING FROM THE TRUMP TEAM,
COME FRGING FROM THE TRUMP TEAM, EMBRACE AND OWN SOME OF THE
EMBRACE AND OWN SOME OF THE WORSE THEY KNOW IS COMING
WORSE THEY KNOW IS COMING BECAUSE THAT TAKES AN ARROW AWAY
BECAUSE THAT TAKES AN ARROW AWAY FROM COHEN AND HIS VALUE AS A
FROM COHEN AND HIS VALUE AS A FLIP TARGET TO THE FEDS.
FLIP TARGET TO THE FEDS. >> THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND
>> THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY COMPLICATED PARLOR GAME
VERY COMPLICATED PARLOR GAME THAT WE'RE PLAYING HERE.
THAT WE'RE PLAYING HERE. IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE BOTH
IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES
SIDES HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES HERE.
HERE. ON THE ONE SIDE THE COHEN CAMP
ON THE ONE SIDE THE COHEN CAMP NOT ONLY HAVE PEOPLE BEEN
NOT ONLY HAVE PEOPLE BEEN SAYING, AS YOU SAID, PERHAPS
SAYING, AS YOU SAID, PERHAPS HE'S SENDING THIS AS A SIGNAL TO
HE'S SENDING THIS AS A SIGNAL TO WHAT HE CAN OFFER TO DONALD
WHAT HE CAN OFFER TO DONALD TRUMP BUT SOME HAVE ARGUED HE'S
TRUMP BUT SOME HAVE ARGUED HE'S SENDING A SMOKE SIGNAL LOOKING
SENDING A SMOKE SIGNAL LOOKING FOR PARDON.
FOR PARDON. PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO COHEN
PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO COHEN AND FAMILIAR WITH HIS THINKING
AND FAMILIAR WITH HIS THINKING HAVE FLAT OUT DENIED THAT TIME
HAVE FLAT OUT DENIED THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND TIME AGAIN. THEY HAVE SAID THE WAY THAT YOU
THEY HAVE SAID THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD GET A PARDON IS NOT BY
WOULD GET A PARDON IS NOT BY ANGERING THE PRESIDENT AND STIB
ANGERING THE PRESIDENT AND STIB STICKING A THUMB IN HIS EYE.
STICKING A THUMB IN HIS EYE. IF HE WERE TO GET A PRE-PARDON
IF HE WERE TO GET A PRE-PARDON HE WOULD BE SUBPOENAED AND WOULD
HE WOULD BE SUBPOENAED AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLEAD THE FIFTH.
NOT BE ABLE TO PLEAD THE FIFTH. THAT'S ACCORDING TO ALL OF MY
THAT'S ACCORDING TO ALL OF MY REPORTING HE HAS TAKEN OFFER THE
REPORTING HE HAS TAKEN OFFER THE TABLE.
TABLE. ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE
ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMP AND THERE
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMP AND THERE WAS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT ON
WAS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT ON FRIDAY WHEN THE REPORTINGS WERE
FRIDAY WHEN THE REPORTINGS WERE FIRST RELAESEASED AND RUDY GIULI
FIRST RELAESEASED AND RUDY GIULI WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE
WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE RECORD DESCRIBING THE SUBJECT
RECORD DESCRIBING THE SUBJECT MATTER.
MATTER. HE WAS ABLE TO CONTROL THE
HE WAS ABLE TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE FOR A FEW DAYS UNTIL
NARRATIVE FOR A FEW DAYS UNTIL LA IN
LA IN LANNY DAVIS PUT IT OUT THIS
LANNY DAVIS PUT IT OUT THIS WEEK.
WEEK. IT WAS A SMART TACTIC TO DEFINE
IT WAS A SMART TACTIC TO DEFINE THE NARRATIVE EVEN THOUGH WE
THE NARRATIVE EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED
KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE NARRATIVE THAT HE LAID
ABOUT THE NARRATIVE THAT HE LAID OUT THERE.
OUT THERE. WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMPLICATED
WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMPLICATED SET OF MOTIVATIONS FROM EACH
SET OF MOTIVATIONS FROM EACH SIDE.
SIDE. CHARACTERS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE
CHARACTERS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST
NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY OR HAVE THE GREATEST
TRUSTWORTHY OR HAVE THE GREATEST CREDIBILITY AND TRY AND
CREDIBILITY AND TRY AND DETERMINE WHO LEAKED WHAT WHEN
DETERMINE WHO LEAKED WHAT WHEN IS A DIFFICULT GAME.
IS A DIFFICULT GAME. I WILL SAY THAT FROM MY
I WILL SAY THAT FROM MY REPORTING IN THE COHEN WORLD OF
REPORTING IN THE COHEN WORLD OF THE PAST 24 HOURS AFTER THIS
THE PAST 24 HOURS AFTER THIS RELATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT WHAT
RELATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MAY NOT ABOUT THE
MICHAEL COHEN MAY NOT ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, THEY HAVE
TRUMP TOWER MEETING, THEY HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE DID
SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE DID NOT LEAK THIS BECAUSE THIS DOES
NOT LEAK THIS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT SERVE US.
NOT SERVE US. TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC
TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC WAS NOT OUR STRATEGY.
WAS NOT OUR STRATEGY. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO
WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER WITH THIS INFORMATION.
MUELLER WITH THIS INFORMATION. IT DOESN'T SERVE US TO HAVE THIS
IT DOESN'T SERVE US TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
OUT IN THE PUBLIC. IT'S POSSIBLE, IN SOME WAY, THAT
IT'S POSSIBLE, IN SOME WAY, THAT IT DOES SERVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
IT DOES SERVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DAMAGING
HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DAMAGING THINGS OUT THERE PERHAPS TO
THINGS OUT THERE PERHAPS TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AND MAKE
CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MICHAEL
IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MICHAEL COHEN TO COOPERATE.
COHEN TO COOPERATE. IF HE'S NOT GOING TO COOPERATE
IF HE'S NOT GOING TO COOPERATE THEN MAYBE THE PRESIDENT CAN
THEN MAYBE THE PRESIDENT CAN BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER TONIGHT.
BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER TONIGHT. >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH
>> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH CONVERSATIONS, THE LIKES OF
CONVERSATIONS, THE LIKES OF WHICH WE'RE HAVING HERE IS, IT'S
WHICH WE'RE HAVING HERE IS, IT'S ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF LEAKING
ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF LEAKING AND WE'RE FORGETTING THE STORY
AND WE'RE FORGETTING THE STORY IN CHIEF IS OH, YEAH, BY THE
IN CHIEF IS OH, YEAH, BY THE WAY.
WAY. IT'S ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT HAD A
IT'S ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT HAD A HEADS UP ON RUSSIANS COMING TO
HEADS UP ON RUSSIANS COMING TO HIS OFFICE BUILDING IN NEW YORK
HIS OFFICE BUILDING IN NEW YORK PRIOR TO HIM BECOMING PRESIDENT
PRIOR TO HIM BECOMING PRESIDENT WITH DIRT ON HIS OPPONENT.
WITH DIRT ON HIS OPPONENT. ONE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SILENT
ONE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SILENT BUT FOR HIS TWITTER FEED THIS
BUT FOR HIS TWITTER FEED THIS WEEK.
WEEK. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. GIVEN HIS NO COLLUSION MANTRE
GIVEN HIS NO COLLUSION MANTRE THAT HE'S PUT FORWARD TIME AND
THAT HE'S PUT FORWARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THERE COULD HARDLY
TIME AGAIN, THERE COULD HARDLY BE A MORE DAMAGING ALLEGATION
BE A MORE DAMAGING ALLEGATION THAT HE WAS AWARE IN ADVANCE HIS
THAT HE WAS AWARE IN ADVANCE HIS CAMPAIGN WAS ENDEVOURING TO GET
CAMPAIGN WAS ENDEVOURING TO GET DAMAGING POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE
DAMAGING POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE ABOUT HIS OPPONENT FROM RUSSIANS
ABOUT HIS OPPONENT FROM RUSSIANS AND RUSSIANS THAT I BELIEVE HIS
AND RUSSIANS THAT I BELIEVE HIS OWN FAMILY HAD BEEN TOLD HAD
OWN FAMILY HAD BEEN TOLD HAD SOME CONNECTION TO THE RUSSIAN
SOME CONNECTION TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. THERE'S NO QUESTION THIS WOULD
THERE'S NO QUESTION THIS WOULD INJURE HIS NARRATIVE IF PEOPLE
INJURE HIS NARRATIVE IF PEOPLE BELIEVE IT.
BELIEVE IT. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS AS EMILY
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS AS EMILY POINTS OUT THERE'S A NEED FOR
POINTS OUT THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CORROBORATION.
SOME ADDITIONAL CORROBORATION. THE FIGURES KREBLTDS ARE NOT
THE FIGURES KREBLTDS ARE NOT FAMILIAR HIGH AND MADE A NUMBER
FAMILIAR HIGH AND MADE A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS NOT TO BE
OF STATEMENTS NOT TO BE ACCURATE.
ACCURATE. THE REAL QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER
THE REAL QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER MICHAEL COHEN HAS STORIES THAT
MICHAEL COHEN HAS STORIES THAT COULD DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT BUT
COULD DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT BUT WHETHER HE COULD LEAD OTHER
WHETHER HE COULD LEAD OTHER FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS TO
FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS TO PROVABLE FACTS TO OIR SOURCETHER
PROVABLE FACTS TO OIR SOURCETHER OF INFORMATION THAT COULD ALLOW
OF INFORMATION THAT COULD ALLOW THEM TO ASSEMBLE A DAMAGING CASE
THEM TO ASSEMBLE A DAMAGING CASE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. IF IT'S STORIES HE'S TELLING
IF IT'S STORIES HE'S TELLING MICHAEL COHEN, I DON'T THINK
MICHAEL COHEN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DAMAGE.
IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DAMAGE. >> NOW THE JILL WINEBANKS.
>> NOW THE JILL WINEBANKS. IF THERE'S A SHORT VERSION OF
IF THERE'S A SHORT VERSION OF THIS ANSWER, IF IT'S ANSWERABLE,
THIS ANSWER, IF IT'S ANSWERABLE, IF YOUR VIEW HOW HAS COHEN'S
IF YOUR VIEW HOW HAS COHEN'S CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK SINCE
CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK SINCE TUESDAY?
TUESDAY? HOW HAS TRUMP'S CASE CHANGED
HOW HAS TRUMP'S CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK?
THIS WEEK? >> I WOULD SAY THAT COHEN IS IN
>> I WOULD SAY THAT COHEN IS IN THE SAME POSITION HE WAS IN
THE SAME POSITION HE WAS IN TERMS OF WHATEVER EVIDENCE
TERMS OF WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS AGAINST HIM BUT THAT HE
EXISTS AGAINST HIM BUT THAT HE HAS PUT HIMSELF IN A BETTER
HAS PUT HIMSELF IN A BETTER POSITION BECAUSE IF HE REALLY
POSITION BECAUSE IF HE REALLY DOES HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO
DOES HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO TESTIFY THAT HE WAS IN THE ROOM
TESTIFY THAT HE WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN DONALD TRUMP SENIOR LEARNED
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SENIOR LEARNED ABOUT THE MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER
ABOUT THE MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER AND IF HE WILL IDENTIFY THE
AND IF HE WILL IDENTIFY THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO, RUMOR HAS IT,
OTHER PEOPLE WHO, RUMOR HAS IT, WERE ALSO IN THE ROOM IT MEANS
WERE ALSO IN THE ROOM IT MEANS IT'S NOT HIS WORD AGAINST THE
IT'S NOT HIS WORD AGAINST THE PRESIDENT'S WORD AND AS
PRESIDENT'S WORD AND AS EVERYBODY HAS POINTED OUT, THEY
EVERYBODY HAS POINTED OUT, THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES.
BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES. RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING THAT
RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING THAT COHEN IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND
COHEN IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND HE KNOWS THAT BECAUSE COHEN LIED
HE KNOWS THAT BECAUSE COHEN LIED FOR HIS CLIENT FOR MANY YEARS,
FOR HIS CLIENT FOR MANY YEARS, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY A VERY
WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY A VERY SFRONG
SFRONG STRONG DEFENSE.
STRONG DEFENSE. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THE CLIENT
WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THE CLIENT WHO HIRED THE LAWYER TO LIE FOR
WHO HIRED THE LAWYER TO LIE FOR HIM?
HIM? THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY
THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES.
ISSUES. IF HE CAN IDENTIFY THE OTHER
IF HE CAN IDENTIFY THE OTHER WITNESSES, IT MEANS THERE'S A
WITNESSES, IT MEANS THERE'S A REALLY CREDIBLE CASE.
REALLY CREDIBLE CASE. IF I'M VIEWING THIS AS A TRIAL
IF I'M VIEWING THIS AS A TRIAL LAWYER, JURORS REALLY CAN MAKE
LAWYER, JURORS REALLY CAN MAKE LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS.
LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS. THE EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT IS
THE EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT IS GETTING VERY COMPELLING THAT
GETTING VERY COMPELLING THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR WILLINGNESS TO
THERE WAS A CLEAR WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS TO
ACCEPT HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS TO WIN THE ELECTION, TO COLLUDE
WIN THE ELECTION, TO COLLUDE WITH THEM AS THE PUBLIC IS
WITH THEM AS THE PUBLIC IS CALLING IT OR ENTER INTO A
CALLING IT OR ENTER INTO A CONSPIRACY WITH THEM, WHICH IS
CONSPIRACY WITH THEM, WHICH IS WHAT THE CRIME IS.
WHAT THE CRIME IS. IT'S GONE TO THE STAGE WHERE

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