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/S >> HI, EVERYONE.
>> HI, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. IT'S
IT'S IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL TWEET THAT
IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL TWEET THAT MAY AMOUNT TO A SMOKING GUN INTO
MAY AMOUNT TO A SMOKING GUN INTO THE INVESTIGATION WHETHER DONALD
THE INVESTIGATION WHETHER DONALD TRUMP, JR. CONSPIRED WITH THE
TRUMP, JR. CONSPIRED WITH THE RUSSIANS TO IMPACT THE 2016
RUSSIANS TO IMPACT THE 2016 ELECTION AND WHETHER THE
ELECTION AND WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES OBSTRUCTED
PRESIDENT'S AIDES OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE WHEN THEY LIED ABOUT THE
JUSTICE WHEN THEY LIED ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING BEING ABOUT
TRUMP TOWER MEETING BEING ABOUT ADOPTION.
ADOPTION. WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW
WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER
SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER UP IN THE AIR, PRESIDENT TRUMP
UP IN THE AIR, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING HIS BEST TO ANSWER AS
IS DOING HIS BEST TO ANSWER AS MANY OF ROBERT MUELLER'S
MANY OF ROBERT MUELLER'S QUESTIONS ON TWITTER AS
QUESTIONS ON TWITTER AS POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. TWEETING A CONFIRMATION THAT HIS
TWEETING A CONFIRMATION THAT HIS SON DID INDEED MEET WITH
SON DID INDEED MEET WITH RUSSIANS TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY
RUSSIANS TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
CLINTON. PRESIDENT WRITING, QUOTE, THIS
PRESIDENT WRITING, QUOTE, THIS WAS A MEETING TO GET INFORMATION
WAS A MEETING TO GET INFORMATION ON AN OPPONENT, TOTALLY LEGAL
ON AN OPPONENT, TOTALLY LEGAL AND DONE ALL THE TIME IN
AND DONE ALL THE TIME IN POLITICS -- AND IT WENT NOWHERE.
POLITICS -- AND IT WENT NOWHERE. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT.
I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" FACT CHECKS
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" FACT CHECKS THAT FOR US WRITING, IT IS
THAT FOR US WRITING, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR A CAMPAIGN TO ACCEPT
ILLEGAL FOR A CAMPAIGN TO ACCEPT HELP FROM A FOREIGN INDIVIDUAL
HELP FROM A FOREIGN INDIVIDUAL OR GOVERNMENT.
OR GOVERNMENT. THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SON HAVE
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SON HAVE MAINTAINED THAT THE CAMPAIGN DID
MAINTAINED THAT THE CAMPAIGN DID NOT ULTIMATELY RECEIVE ANY
NOT ULTIMATELY RECEIVE ANY DAMAGING MATERIALS ABOUT
DAMAGING MATERIALS ABOUT MRS. CLINTON AS A RESULT OF THE
MRS. CLINTON AS A RESULT OF THE MEETING.
MEETING. BUT SOME LEGAL EXPERTS CONTEND
BUT SOME LEGAL EXPERTS CONTEND THAT BY SIMPLY SITTING FOR THE
THAT BY SIMPLY SITTING FOR THE MEETING, DONALD TRUMP, JR. BROKE
MEETING, DONALD TRUMP, JR. BROKE THE LAW.
THE LAW. ASIDE FROM BEING ILLEGAL, THE
ASIDE FROM BEING ILLEGAL, THE PRESIDENT IS ALSO WRONG ABOUT
PRESIDENT IS ALSO WRONG ABOUT SUCH MEETINGS BEING DONE ALL THE
SUCH MEETINGS BEING DONE ALL THE TIME IN POLITICS.
TIME IN POLITICS. THEY ARE NOT.
THEY ARE NOT. BUT HIS TWEET SIGNALS GROWING
BUT HIS TWEET SIGNALS GROWING PANIC FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF
PANIC FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF AND THERE MAY VERY WELL BE AMPLE
AND THERE MAY VERY WELL BE AMPLE CAUSE FOR HIS CONCERN.
CAUSE FOR HIS CONCERN. A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP
A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP LEGAL EFFORT TELLS ME TODAY THAT
LEGAL EFFORT TELLS ME TODAY THAT THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT SINCE
THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT SINCE THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, HIS
THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, HIS EFFORTS TO COVER UP THE REAL
EFFORTS TO COVER UP THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND
PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND CONVERSATIONS HE HAS HAD WITH
CONVERSATIONS HE HAS HAD WITH WHITE HOUSE AIDES ABOUT IT POINT
WHITE HOUSE AIDES ABOUT IT POINT TO AN INCREASING LIKELIHOOD THE
TO AN INCREASING LIKELIHOOD THE PRESIDENT COULD BE VULNERABLE TO
PRESIDENT COULD BE VULNERABLE TO CHARGES OF WITNESS TAMPERING AND
CHARGES OF WITNESS TAMPERING AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. IT ALSO BRINGS BACK INTO FOCUS
IT ALSO BRINGS BACK INTO FOCUS THE ONGOING LEGAL JEOPARDY
THE ONGOING LEGAL JEOPARDY FACING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS
FACING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TO ROBERT
WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TO ROBERT MUELLER ABOUT THE CRAFTING OF
MUELLER ABOUT THE CRAFTING OF THE ORIGINAL FALSE STATEMENT AND
THE ORIGINAL FALSE STATEMENT AND ANY CONVERSATIONS THEY MAY HAVE
ANY CONVERSATIONS THEY MAY HAVE HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT
HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONY.
THEIR TESTIMONY. WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, WE
WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, WE WONDERED WHAT DID HOPE HICKS AND
WONDERED WHAT DID HOPE HICKS AND THE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT ON THE
THE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT ON THE PLANE THIS WEEKEND?
PLANE THIS WEEKEND? JOINING US TO DISCUSS THAT AND
JOINING US TO DISCUSS THAT AND ALL THE DAY'S DEVELOPMENTS, SOME
ALL THE DAY'S DEVELOPMENTS, SOME OF OUR FAVORITE FRIENDS AND
OF OUR FAVORITE FRIENDS AND REPORTERS.
REPORTERS. MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST
MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT
FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTER
DIRECTOR FOR COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI.
INTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI. AARON BLAKE, SENIOR POLITICAL
AARON BLAKE, SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST
REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST AND HERE AT THE TABLE ANITA
AND HERE AT THE TABLE ANITA KUMAR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
KUMAR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR McCLATCHY AND NBC AND MSNBC
FOR McCLATCHY AND NBC AND MSNBC NEWS ANALYST JOHN HEILMAN.
NEWS ANALYST JOHN HEILMAN. THANK YOU FOR ANCHORING THURSDAY
THANK YOU FOR ANCHORING THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
AND FRIDAY. >> IT WAS MY PLEASURE.
>> IT WAS MY PLEASURE. YOU HAVE THE BEST AUDIENCE IN
YOU HAVE THE BEST AUDIENCE IN THE BUSINESS.
THE BUSINESS. THEY ARE SO, GREAT AUDIENCE,
THEY ARE SO, GREAT AUDIENCE, GREAT GUESTS AND GREAT STAFF.
GREAT GUESTS AND GREAT STAFF. THE STAFF ON THE SHOW, SO TOP
THE STAFF ON THE SHOW, SO TOP NOTCH.
NOTCH. >> I LOVE ALL THE LOVE FOR YOU.
>> I LOVE ALL THE LOVE FOR YOU. I'M GOING TO START, THOUGH, WITH
I'M GOING TO START, THOUGH, WITH YOU, FRANK FIGLIUZZI.
YOU, FRANK FIGLIUZZI. THIS SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP
THIS SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP LEGAL TEAM AND STILL IN CONTACT
LEGAL TEAM AND STILL IN CONTACT WITH MEMBERS OF IT PAST AND
WITH MEMBERS OF IT PAST AND CURRENT TELLING ME THAT THE
CURRENT TELLING ME THAT THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT AND THE FACT
PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT AND THE FACT THAT HE'S THRUSTING THIS TRUMP
THAT HE'S THRUSTING THIS TRUMP TOWER MEETING THE LIES TOLD
TOWER MEETING THE LIES TOLD ABOUT IT, THE ACTUAL GENESIS OF
ABOUT IT, THE ACTUAL GENESIS OF IT BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT
IT BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT SUGGESTS THAT HE MAY HAVE SOME
SUGGESTS THAT HE MAY HAVE SOME INCREASING AWARENESS EITHER
INCREASING AWARENESS EITHER CONSCIOUS OR SUBCONSCIOUS OF HIS
CONSCIOUS OR SUBCONSCIOUS OF HIS OWN LEGAL JEOPARDY.
OWN LEGAL JEOPARDY. >> YEAH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING'S
>> YEAH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING'S PARTICULARLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN
PARTICULARLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, NICOLLE.
OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, NICOLLE. AND WHILE WE'D BE ENGAGING IN
AND WHILE WE'D BE ENGAGING IN CONJECTURE, I THINK IT'S MORE
CONJECTURE, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST MEDIA COVERAGE OF
THAN JUST MEDIA COVERAGE OF THIS.
THIS. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON HERE.
GOING ON HERE. HE MAY SENSE OR EVEN HAVE
HE MAY SENSE OR EVEN HAVE INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS DON
INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS DON JUNIOR IS CRIMINALLY EXPOSED AND
JUNIOR IS CRIMINALLY EXPOSED AND LOOKING AT A TARGET LETTER OR
LOOKING AT A TARGET LETTER OR SOME FORM OF GRAND JURY
SOME FORM OF GRAND JURY PROCEEDING.
PROCEEDING. IT MAY BE THAT HE'S HEARD
IT MAY BE THAT HE'S HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT COHEN AND THE
SOMETHING ABOUT COHEN AND THE VERACITY OF COHEN'S ASSERTION
VERACITY OF COHEN'S ASSERTION ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING,
ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, AND THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW
AND THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. SOMETHING DIRECTLY HAS HIM
SOMETHING DIRECTLY HAS HIM SPOOKED.
SPOOKED. BUT IT'S CAUSED HIM TO MAKE A
BUT IT'S CAUSED HIM TO MAKE A TACTICAL ERROR, WHICH IS TO COME
TACTICAL ERROR, WHICH IS TO COME OUT AND ESSENTIALLY THROW HIS
OUT AND ESSENTIALLY THROW HIS SON AND HIS SON-IN-LAW UNDER THE
SON AND HIS SON-IN-LAW UNDER THE BUS AND SAY, YES, THEY WERE
BUS AND SAY, YES, THEY WERE THERE TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY
THERE TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
CLINTON. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. JOINING JARED AND HIS SON UNDER
JOINING JARED AND HIS SON UNDER THE BUS WAS JAY SEKULOW, ONE OF
THE BUS WAS JAY SEKULOW, ONE OF HIS LAST REMAINING TV LAWYERS
HIS LAST REMAINING TV LAWYERS OTHER THAN RUDY GIULIANI WHO MAY
OTHER THAN RUDY GIULIANI WHO MAY JUST HAVE THE TV PART OF THAT
JUST HAVE THE TV PART OF THAT JOB.
JOB. LET'S LOOK AT HIS STATEMENTS NOW
LET'S LOOK AT HIS STATEMENTS NOW RENDERED AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN
RENDERED AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW
ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING.
ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING --
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING,
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING, GEORGE, THAT TOOK PLACE A YEAR
GEORGE, THAT TOOK PLACE A YEAR BEFORE, NOW TWO YEARS AGO, THE
BEFORE, NOW TWO YEARS AGO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT LAW, STATUTE,
QUESTION IS WHAT LAW, STATUTE, RULE OR REGULATION HAS BEEN
RULE OR REGULATION HAS BEEN VIOLATED.
VIOLATED. NO ONE HAS POINTED TO ONE.
NO ONE HAS POINTED TO ONE. >> THEY POINTED TO "OLYMPIC
>> THEY POINTED TO "OLYMPIC ZONE" SPIR SI TO DEE FRAUTD THE
ZONE" SPIR SI TO DEE FRAUTD THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE
THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE CHARGE.
CHARGE. AIDING AND ABETTING A
AIDING AND ABETTING A CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. >> DO YOU BUY THAT'S A SERIOUS
>> DO YOU BUY THAT'S A SERIOUS RISK FOR DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND
RISK FOR DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND JARED, FRANK?
JARED, FRANK? >> LET ME TELL YOU, JAY SEKULOW
>> LET ME TELL YOU, JAY SEKULOW IS TELLING ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ED
IS TELLING ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ED IF RALEIGH ALEXIS CAMPAIGN LAWS,
IF RALEIGH ALEXIS CAMPAIGN LAWS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MORE OF A
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN WE REALIZE.
PROBLEM THAN WE REALIZE. OF COURSE IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
OF COURSE IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. THERE IS A CONSPIRACY ASPECT
THERE IS A CONSPIRACY ASPECT EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE HAVE COMMUNICATION FROM DON
WE HAVE COMMUNICATION FROM DON JUNIOR SAYING, I LOVE IT, IN
JUNIOR SAYING, I LOVE IT, IN RESPONSE TO THERE'S DIRT ON
RESPONSE TO THERE'S DIRT ON HILLARY AND HE SHOWS UP FOR THE
HILLARY AND HE SHOWS UP FOR THE MEETING, THERE'S A LEGAL PROBLEM
MEETING, THERE'S A LEGAL PROBLEM TO THAT.
TO THAT. SEKULOW IS JUST IN ANOTHER
SEKULOW IS JUST IN ANOTHER PLANET AT THIS POINT.
PLANET AT THIS POINT. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMEONE
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE WHO MAY WISH HE'S ON
ELSE WHO MAY WISH HE'S ON ANOTHER PLANET.
ANOTHER PLANET. THE THEORY WAS POSITED TO ME
THE THEORY WAS POSITED TO ME THAT HOPE HICKS, BETWEEN THE
THAT HOPE HICKS, BETWEEN THE TIME THAT SHE WAS KNOWN TO HAVE
TIME THAT SHE WAS KNOWN TO HAVE GONE BEFORE MUELLER'S
GONE BEFORE MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS AND THE TIME THAT
INVESTIGATORS AND THE TIME THAT SHE ULTIMATELY LEFT THE WHITE
SHE ULTIMATELY LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE, MAY HAVE HAD A FEW
HOUSE, MAY HAVE HAD A FEW CHALLENGES IN THE WORKPLACE.
CHALLENGES IN THE WORKPLACE. ONE, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN QUERIED
ONE, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN QUERIED BY THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT SHE
BY THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID TO ROBERT MUELLER'S
SAID TO ROBERT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS.
INVESTIGATORS. TWO, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN
TWO, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED EITHER BY MUELLER'S
CONFRONTED EITHER BY MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS OR BACK CHANNEL
INVESTIGATORS OR BACK CHANNEL CONVERSATIONS THAT HER LAWYER
CONVERSATIONS THAT HER LAWYER HAD WITH OTHER LAWYERS, THAT HER
HAD WITH OTHER LAWYERS, THAT HER ACCOUNTS WEREN'T NECESSARILY IN
ACCOUNTS WEREN'T NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH THOSE GIVEN BY OTHER
LINE WITH THOSE GIVEN BY OTHER PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. I THINK THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE.
I THINK THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE. HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE
HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN AND JOSH
PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN AND JOSH RAFAEL, JAMES BERMAN WHO WAS
RAFAEL, JAMES BERMAN WHO WAS DEPUTY IN THE COUNSEL'S OFFICE
DEPUTY IN THE COUNSEL'S OFFICE WHO WERE ADDED TO BOB MUELLER'S
WHO WERE ADDED TO BOB MUELLER'S LIST OF PEOPLE HE WANTED TO
LIST OF PEOPLE HE WANTED TO INTERVIEW SOMETIME AROUND THAT
INTERVIEW SOMETIME AROUND THAT PERIOD AFTER THE STATEMENT WAS
PERIOD AFTER THE STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE.
CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE. DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY
DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY SCENARIO WHERE HOPE HICKS HAS
SCENARIO WHERE HOPE HICKS HAS NOW OFFERED TO COOPERATE OR
NOW OFFERED TO COOPERATE OR OFFERED SOMETHING UP TO BOB
OFFERED SOMETHING UP TO BOB MUELLER IF SHE DID, IN FACT,
MUELLER IF SHE DID, IN FACT, GIVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT
GIVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT ACCOUNT OR IF SHE DID HAVE TO
ACCOUNT OR IF SHE DID HAVE TO CALL AND SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT
CALL AND SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD ASKED HER ABOUT HER
HAD ASKED HER ABOUT HER TESTIMONY?
TESTIMONY? >> THE WAY THIS USUALLY WORKS,
>> THE WAY THIS USUALLY WORKS, NICOLLE, IS THAT SUCH A PERSON,
NICOLLE, IS THAT SUCH A PERSON, A WITNESS IS CALLED IN AND GIVEN
A WITNESS IS CALLED IN AND GIVEN A SHOT.
A SHOT. LOOK, YOU'VE GIVEN US
LOOK, YOU'VE GIVEN US INFORMATION THAT'S INCONSISTENT
INFORMATION THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHERS ARE TELLING US.
WITH WHAT OTHERS ARE TELLING US. THERE IS A VERACITY PROBLEM HERE
THERE IS A VERACITY PROBLEM HERE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY FACING A
AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY FACING A VIOLATION OF USC SECTION 1001
VIOLATION OF USC SECTION 1001 LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT.
LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE SHOT
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE SHOT TO CORRECT THAT AND COOPERATE.
TO CORRECT THAT AND COOPERATE. SHE EITHER HAS OR SHE HASN'T.
SHE EITHER HAS OR SHE HASN'T. THE MYSTERIOUS APPEARANCE OVER
THE MYSTERIOUS APPEARANCE OVER THE WEEKEND ON AIR FORCE ONE IS
THE WEEKEND ON AIR FORCE ONE IS A HEAD SCRATCHER TO ME.
A HEAD SCRATCHER TO ME. AND I HOPE THAT NO ONE IS
AND I HOPE THAT NO ONE IS ATTEMPTING TO TAMMERPER WITH THI
ATTEMPTING TO TAMMERPER WITH THI WITNESS BECAUSE THAT IS A
WITNESS BECAUSE THAT IS A SERIOUS FEDERAL VIOLATION.
SERIOUS FEDERAL VIOLATION. >> AARON BLAKE, WE KNOW FROM
>> AARON BLAKE, WE KNOW FROM REPORTING IN "THE NEW YORK
REPORTING IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
TIMES" THAT THE PRESIDENT IS BEING -- AND I BELIEVE YOUR
BEING -- AND I BELIEVE YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE RUN THIS DOWN AS
COLLEAGUES HAVE RUN THIS DOWN AS WELL, THE PRESIDENT IS BEING
WELL, THE PRESIDENT IS BEING INVESTIGATED UNDER BEEFED UP
INVESTIGATED UNDER BEEFED UP WITNESS TAMPERING LAW PUT INTO
WITNESS TAMPERING LAW PUT INTO EFFECT AFTER ENRON.
EFFECT AFTER ENRON. THERE ARE PROSECUTORS ALSO PART
THERE ARE PROSECUTORS ALSO PART OF BOB MUELLER'S TEAM.
OF BOB MUELLER'S TEAM. THIS IS A REAL RAW NERVE FOR THE
THIS IS A REAL RAW NERVE FOR THE PRESIDENT, REAL EXPOSURE, AREA
PRESIDENT, REAL EXPOSURE, AREA OF EXPOSURE.
OF EXPOSURE. >> YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST
>> YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A WHIFF
TIME THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A WHIFF OF THIS KIND OF THING
OF THIS KIND OF THING POTENTIALLY GOING ON, OR AT
POTENTIALLY GOING ON, OR AT LEAST FACED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT
LEAST FACED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT POTENTIALLY GOING ON.
POTENTIALLY GOING ON. THERE WERE A COUPLE INSTANCES
THERE WERE A COUPLE INSTANCES BACK WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE
BACK WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN WHICH HE TALKED TO
HOUSE IN WHICH HE TALKED TO REINCE PRIEBUS AND DON McGAHN
REINCE PRIEBUS AND DON McGAHN THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY
THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY RUNNING INTO SOME FOUL TERRITORY
RUNNING INTO SOME FOUL TERRITORY HERE.
HERE. THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT
THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE PRESIDENT JUST BY
WHETHER THE PRESIDENT JUST BY HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD
HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD ADD, IS REALLY ABLE TO SEPARATE
ADD, IS REALLY ABLE TO SEPARATE WHAT HE'S ABLE TO SAY AND DO AS
WHAT HE'S ABLE TO SAY AND DO AS THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION
THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION AND WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY SUPPOSED
AND WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO DO.
TO DO. SO THE IDEA HE WOULDN'T BE DOING
SO THE IDEA HE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS NECESSARILY BEHIND CLOSED
THIS NECESSARILY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IS I THINK A LITTLE BIT
DOORS IS I THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO
DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO SWALLOW.
SWALLOW. NOW, WHETHER ANY OF THAT RISES
NOW, WHETHER ANY OF THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF ILLEGALITY IS
TO THE LEVEL OF ILLEGALITY IS ANOTHER QUESTION ENTIRELY, BUT
ANOTHER QUESTION ENTIRELY, BUT CERTAINLY HE'S SHOWN THAT HE'S
CERTAINLY HE'S SHOWN THAT HE'S NOT TERRIBLY CAREFUL ABOUT
NOT TERRIBLY CAREFUL ABOUT THESE, AT LEAST BY OUTWARD
THESE, AT LEAST BY OUTWARD APPEARANCES.
APPEARANCES. >> AND YOU WRITE TODAY THAT --
>> AND YOU WRITE TODAY THAT -- HERE'S THE THING.
HERE'S THE THING. THIS IS A TWEET -- THIS IS ABOUT
THIS IS A TWEET -- THIS IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S TWEET YESTERDAY
THE PRESIDENT'S TWEET YESTERDAY MORNING.
MORNING. THIS IS A TWEET ABOUT HOW THE
THIS IS A TWEET ABOUT HOW THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING WAS TOTALLY
TRUMP TOWER MEETING WAS TOTALLY FINE.
FINE. NOTHING ILLEGAL TO SEE HER.
NOTHING ILLEGAL TO SEE HER. IF YOU HAVE NO REAL CONCERN
IF YOU HAVE NO REAL CONCERN ABOUT LEGAL EXPOSURE FROM THE
ABOUT LEGAL EXPOSURE FROM THE MEETING WHY DISTANCE YOURSELF
MEETING WHY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM IT?
FROM IT? HAS ANYONE OFFERED YOU ANY
HAS ANYONE OFFERED YOU ANY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION S TO YOUR
PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION S TO YOUR VERY ASTUTE POINT THERE?
VERY ASTUTE POINT THERE? >> YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY IS
>> YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY IS FOCUSING ON THE ADMISSION THAT
FOCUSING ON THE ADMISSION THAT THIS WAS IN FACT ABOUT
THIS WAS IN FACT ABOUT OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
OPPOSITION RESEARCH. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN THE
WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN THE SPACE OF ONE TWEET WE HAVE THE
SPACE OF ONE TWEET WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT BOTH ARGUING THAT THIS
PRESIDENT BOTH ARGUING THAT THIS IS TOTALLY MUCH ADO ABOUT
IS TOTALLY MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING, NOT ILLEGAL AT ALL, OH,
NOTHING, NOT ILLEGAL AT ALL, OH, AND BY THE WAY, I WASN'T
AND BY THE WAY, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT AT ALL, JUST IN
INVOLVED IN IT AT ALL, JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING
CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
ON HERE. THERE'S NO REASON TO SEPARATE
THERE'S NO REASON TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM SOMETHING LIKE
YOURSELF FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG
THIS IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. SO THE FACT THAT HE SLIPPED THAT
SO THE FACT THAT HE SLIPPED THAT IN AT THE END OF A TWEET ABOUT
IN AT THE END OF A TWEET ABOUT HOW THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING
HOW THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING WRONG HERE, I THINK BELIES THE
WRONG HERE, I THINK BELIES THE ACTUAL FEELINGS AND WHAT HE'S
ACTUAL FEELINGS AND WHAT HE'S BEING TOLD BY HIS LAWYERS WHICH
BEING TOLD BY HIS LAWYERS WHICH IS COLLUSION IS A CRIME AND THIS
IS COLLUSION IS A CRIME AND THIS IS AT LEAST IN A VERY MUCH
IS AT LEAST IN A VERY MUCH ILLEGAL GRAY AREA.
ILLEGAL GRAY AREA. >> JOHN, I'VE HEARD THERE WAS A
>> JOHN, I'VE HEARD THERE WAS A DEBATE AT THE TIME -- THE TIMES
DEBATE AT THE TIME -- THE TIMES AND THE POST WERE CALLING ABOUT
AND THE POST WERE CALLING ABOUT THIS MEETING AND WHEN THAT
THIS MEETING AND WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR
STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE.
FORCE ONE. THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE LEGAL
THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE LEGAL TEAM AND AROUND IT THAT ARGUED
TEAM AND AROUND IT THAT ARGUED FOR JUST GOING TO MUELLER AND
FOR JUST GOING TO MUELLER AND TELLING THEM THE WHOLE STORY.
TELLING THEM THE WHOLE STORY. THOSE PEOPLE LOST.
THOSE PEOPLE LOST. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THE LIE WAS TOLD, THAT THE
>> THE LIE WAS TOLD, THAT THE MEETING WAS ABOUT RUSSIAN
MEETING WAS ABOUT RUSSIAN ADOPTIONS.
ADOPTIONS. THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE.
THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE. THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW KRERKTEDCO
THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW KRERKTEDCO THE RECORD.
THE RECORD. IF YOU LOOK AT SCOOTER LIBBY,
IF YOU LOOK AT SCOOTER LIBBY, LOOK AT BILL CLINTON.
LOOK AT BILL CLINTON. IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS OBSTRUCTION
IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY THAT
OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY THAT TRIPS PEOPLE UP IN SPECIAL
TRIPS PEOPLE UP IN SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATIONS.
COUNSEL INVESTIGATIONS. >> AND THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS IN
>> AND THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS IN ALL OF THE SPECIAL COUNSELS THAT
ALL OF THE SPECIAL COUNSELS THAT I'VE COVERED, THERE IS ALWAYS A
I'VE COVERED, THERE IS ALWAYS A CADRE WITHIN EVERY
CADRE WITHIN EVERY ADMINISTRATION WHO IS MAKING
ADMINISTRATION WHO IS MAKING THAT ARGUMENT FOR MORE
THAT ARGUMENT FOR MORE DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, RIP THE
DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, RIP THE BAND AID OFF, LET'S GET WHATEVER
BAND AID OFF, LET'S GET WHATEVER THE TROUBLES ARE GET THEM OUT AS
THE TROUBLES ARE GET THEM OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
FAST AS POSSIBLE. IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US
IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US IN THE LONG RUN POLITICALLY AND
IN THE LONG RUN POLITICALLY AND LEGALLY, ALMOST ALWAYS THEY LOSE
LEGALLY, ALMOST ALWAYS THEY LOSE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS
WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS PERIOD.
PERIOD. WE'VE NOT HEARD EVERYTHING THAT
WE'VE NOT HEARD EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT PERIOD TO THIS POINT.
PERIOD TO THIS POINT. BUT I THINK THE PRESIDENT --
BUT I THINK THE PRESIDENT -- IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING.
IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING. AND I THINK IT'S JUST WORTH
AND I THINK IT'S JUST WORTH STEPPING BACK FOR A SECOND AND
STEPPING BACK FOR A SECOND AND ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT JUST HAPPENED
ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE.
HERE. THE PRESIDENT LIES ALL THE TIME.
THE PRESIDENT LIES ALL THE TIME. WE KNOW HE LIES ALL THE TIME.
WE KNOW HE LIES ALL THE TIME. THE LIES AREN'T ACCEPTABLE.
THE LIES AREN'T ACCEPTABLE. 4,000 WHATEVER HE'S TOLD IN
4,000 WHATEVER HE'S TOLD IN EIGHT MONTHS ACCORDING TO THESE
EIGHT MONTHS ACCORDING TO THESE COUNTS.
COUNTS. BUT THIS LIE IS A DIFFERENT
BUT THIS LIE IS A DIFFERENT ORDER OF LIE.
ORDER OF LIE. FOR THE PRESIDENT TO GO ON KIND
FOR THE PRESIDENT TO GO ON KIND OF IN SOME KIND OF A FIT OVER
OF IN SOME KIND OF A FIT OVER THE WEEKEND AND BASICALLY SAY,
THE WEEKEND AND BASICALLY SAY, JUST COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAID,
JUST COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU KNOW WHAT? THE STORY I TOLD YOU, I LIED
THE STORY I TOLD YOU, I LIED ABOUT THIS AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT
ABOUT THIS AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY SON.
MY SON. I'M EITHER TOO DUMB OR ACTUALLY
I'M EITHER TOO DUMB OR ACTUALLY DON'T CARE, BUT ONE WAY OR THE
DON'T CARE, BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I AM, AS FRANK SAID, HE
OTHER, I AM, AS FRANK SAID, HE JUST THREW HIS SON UNDER THE
JUST THREW HIS SON UNDER THE BUS.
BUS. I MEAN, THE ADMISSION OF IT IS
I MEAN, THE ADMISSION OF IT IS AN ADD MYTHS OF INCREDIBLE WILL
AN ADD MYTHS OF INCREDIBLE WILL LAW.
LAW. >> HIS SON CAN BE CHARGED.
>> HIS SON CAN BE CHARGED. >> THE LIE IS AN HISTORIC LIE
>> THE LIE IS AN HISTORIC LIE THAT HE TOLD.
THAT HE TOLD. THE ADMISSION IS A POTENTIALLY
THE ADMISSION IS A POTENTIALLY CATACLYSMIC ADMISSION FOR THE
CATACLYSMIC ADMISSION FOR THE WHOLE -- THIS ELEMENT OF THE
WHOLE -- THIS ELEMENT OF THE INVESTIGATION AND PARTICULARLY
INVESTIGATION AND PARTICULARLY FOR HIS SON WHO HIS FATHER HAS
FOR HIS SON WHO HIS FATHER HAS BASICALLY WENT ON TWITTER AND
BASICALLY WENT ON TWITTER AND TESTIFIED AGAINST.
TESTIFIED AGAINST. >> FRANK, CAN YOU UNPACK THAT
>> FRANK, CAN YOU UNPACK THAT FOR US?
FOR US? WE STARE AT THOSE TREES.
WE STARE AT THOSE TREES. WE STARE AT THE TWEET AS IF IT'S
WE STARE AT THE TWEET AS IF IT'S A TREE.
A TREE. THE FOREST STARTED AS A COUNTER
THE FOREST STARTED AS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION BY
INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI FOR THE BUREAU YOU'RE
THE FBI FOR THE BUREAU YOU'RE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH. AND WE NOW HAVE THE PRESIDENT
AND WE NOW HAVE THE PRESIDENT CORROBORATING A FACT ABOUT WHY
CORROBORATING A FACT ABOUT WHY HIS SON WENT IN AND MET WITH
HIS SON WENT IN AND MET WITH RUSSIANS.
RUSSIANS. AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW
AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MEETING
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MEETING AND SAID THAT THEY ALWAYS KNEW
AND SAID THAT THEY ALWAYS KNEW THIS WAS A MEETING.
THIS WAS A MEETING. AND IN ATTENDANCE WERE RUSSIANS
AND IN ATTENDANCE WERE RUSSIANS CLOSE TO THE KREMLIN AND WITH
CLOSE TO THE KREMLIN AND WITH TIES TO RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
TIES TO RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
OFFICIALS. IS THAT POTENTIALLY MORE
IS THAT POTENTIALLY MORE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSECUTORS
EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSECUTORS COULD USE, INVESTIGATORS COULD
COULD USE, INVESTIGATORS COULD USE AGAINST DON JUNIOR?
USE AGAINST DON JUNIOR? >> THERE'S NO QUESTION HERE.
>> THERE'S NO QUESTION HERE. WHAT HEIGHT OF IRONY FOR A
WHAT HEIGHT OF IRONY FOR A FATHER'S TWEET TO BECOME EXHIBIT
FATHER'S TWEET TO BECOME EXHIBIT A IN EVIDENCE AGAINST HIS SON.
A IN EVIDENCE AGAINST HIS SON. I WAS JOKING OVER THE WEEKEND ON
I WAS JOKING OVER THE WEEKEND ON THE AIR THAT THE FOLKS AT
THE AIR THAT THE FOLKS AT TWITTER SHOULD ESSENTIALLY
TWITTER SHOULD ESSENTIALLY INSTALL A POP-UP MIRANDA WARNING
INSTALL A POP-UP MIRANDA WARNING ON THE PRESIDENT'S TWITTER
ON THE PRESIDENT'S TWITTER ACCOUNT JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU
ACCOUNT JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. PLEASE USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN
PLEASE USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
SILENT. BUT YES, INDEED.
BUT YES, INDEED. WE HAVE POTENTIALLY EVIDENCE IN
WE HAVE POTENTIALLY EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF A TWEET.
THE FORM OF A TWEET. AND IRONICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT
AND IRONICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT HAD COME OUT PREVIOUSLY AND JUST
HAD COME OUT PREVIOUSLY AND JUST SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NEW AT THIS,
SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NEW AT THIS, WE WERE VOTED IN BECAUSE WE'RE
WE WERE VOTED IN BECAUSE WE'RE FROM OUTSIDE WASHINGTON.
FROM OUTSIDE WASHINGTON. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.
DOING. HERE'S THE STORY.
HERE'S THE STORY. THE COVER UP IS ALWAYS WORSE
THE COVER UP IS ALWAYS WORSE THAN THE CRIME.
THAN THE CRIME. >> THE STUPIDITY DEFENSE.
>> THE STUPIDITY DEFENSE. IT CAN BE DEPLOYED AND IT'S
IT CAN BE DEPLOYED AND IT'S PLAUSIBLE.
PLAUSIBLE. >> BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT.
>> BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT. THE PRESIDENT'S HUBRIS, HIS
THE PRESIDENT'S HUBRIS, HIS INABILITY TO SAY I SCREWED UP
INABILITY TO SAY I SCREWED UP AND GOT IT WRONG IS GOING TO
AND GOT IT WRONG IS GOING TO CAUSE HIS DOWNFALL.
CAUSE HIS DOWNFALL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED TODAY.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED TODAY. >> HOPE HICKS, THE PERIOD OF
>> HOPE HICKS, THE PERIOD OF TIME FROM WHICH WE KNOW SHE WENT
TIME FROM WHICH WE KNOW SHE WENT IN AND TESTIFIED TO ROBERT
IN AND TESTIFIED TO ROBERT MUELLER, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
MUELLER, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HER TESTIMONY WAS CONSISTENT
HER TESTIMONY WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I
WITH THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK WE CAN PUT THEIR NAMES UP.
THINK WE CAN PUT THEIR NAMES UP. HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE
HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN, JOSH
PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN, JOSH RAFAEL, THEIR NAMES WERE ALL
RAFAEL, THEIR NAMES WERE ALL SUBMITTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN
SUBMITTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN THAT PERIOD RIGHT AFTER THAT
THAT PERIOD RIGHT AFTER THAT STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR
STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE THAT TURNED OUT TO BE
FORCE ONE THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A LIE.
A LIE. THE PRESIDENT NOW AGREEING THAT
THE PRESIDENT NOW AGREEING THAT STATEMENT WAS A LIE.
STATEMENT WAS A LIE. ARE YOU HEARING ANY REPORTING
ARE YOU HEARING ANY REPORTING FROM YOUR SOURCES ABOUT EITHER
FROM YOUR SOURCES ABOUT EITHER THE ROLE HOPE HICKS MAY HAVE
THE ROLE HOPE HICKS MAY HAVE PLAYED IN PROVIDING INFORMATION
PLAYED IN PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THE
ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THE PRESIDENT WAS PRONE TO HAVE WITH
PRESIDENT WAS PRONE TO HAVE WITH CLOSE AIDES ABOUT WHAT THE
CLOSE AIDES ABOUT WHAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE IN THE
EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE IN THE MUELLER ROOM?
MUELLER ROOM? >> I AM HEARING THEY PUSHED BACK
>> I AM HEARING THEY PUSHED BACK ON IT.
ON IT. THAT'S NOT WHY SHE WAS THERE.
THAT'S NOT WHY SHE WAS THERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S THE REASON.
THE REASON. THE LIST YOU HAVE IS INTERESTING
THE LIST YOU HAVE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE
BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T WORK THERE ANY MORE.
DON'T WORK THERE ANY MORE. ONE THING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP
ONE THING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS YOU CAN LEAVE, BUT YOU'RE

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