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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO YOU ALL.
ALL. ROBERT COSTA, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN
ROBERT COSTA, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU WITH THE PROVISO, THE
WITH YOU WITH THE PROVISO, THE REMINDER TO EVERYBODY WATCHING
REMINDER TO EVERYBODY WATCHING WE ARE SEEING EXACTLY ONE SIDE
WE ARE SEEING EXACTLY ONE SIDE OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS OVER A
OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS OVER A SIT-DOWN MEETING BETWEEN THE
SIT-DOWN MEETING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND MUELLER.
PRESIDENT AND MUELLER. THE MUELLER TEAM DOESN'T TALK.
THE MUELLER TEAM DOESN'T TALK. AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY DON'T LEAK.
DON'T LEAK. SO ROBERT, IS THIS ALL KIND OF A
SO ROBERT, IS THIS ALL KIND OF A TV GAME SHOW WE'RE WATCHING?
TV GAME SHOW WE'RE WATCHING? IS ANY OF THIS TRULY SERIOUS OR
IS ANY OF THIS TRULY SERIOUS OR BINDING?
BINDING? AND WILL YOU BELIEVE ANY OF IT
AND WILL YOU BELIEVE ANY OF IT UNTIL IT HAPPENS?
UNTIL IT HAPPENS? >> YOUR HEALTHY SKEPTICISM IS
>> YOUR HEALTHY SKEPTICISM IS RIGHT ON, BRIAN, BECAUSE I'VE
RIGHT ON, BRIAN, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO MAYOR GIULIANI
BEEN TALKING TO MAYOR GIULIANI IN RECENT DAYS AND KEEP URGING
IN RECENT DAYS AND KEEP URGING HIM, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS
HIM, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS LETTER, THE RESPONSE YOU'VE
LETTER, THE RESPONSE YOU'VE GIVEN TO BOB MUELLER AND HIS
GIVEN TO BOB MUELLER AND HIS INVESTIGATORS.
INVESTIGATORS. BUT THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS WILL
BUT THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS WILL NOT RELEASE THE LAWYERS WHO ARE
NOT RELEASE THE LAWYERS WHO ARE RELYING ON THEIR ACCOUNTS.
RELYING ON THEIR ACCOUNTS. AND THEY CONTINUE TO REITERATE
AND THEY CONTINUE TO REITERATE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE
THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE PRESIDENT SITTING DOWN WITH
PRESIDENT SITTING DOWN WITH MUELLER TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRING
MUELLER TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRING OF JIM COMEY AT THE FBI, TO TALK
OF JIM COMEY AT THE FBI, TO TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MIKE FLYNN AND WHAT THE
ADVISER MIKE FLYNN AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID TO COMEY ABOUT
PRESIDENT SAID TO COMEY ABOUT LETTING IT GO, AND AS GIULIANI
LETTING IT GO, AND AS GIULIANI SAYS, THEY REALLY BELIEVE
SAYS, THEY REALLY BELIEVE MUELLER HAS A PERJURY TRAP HERE.
MUELLER HAS A PERJURY TRAP HERE. BUT MUELLER, HE IS TRYING TO
BUT MUELLER, HE IS TRYING TO FINISH THIS REPORT BASED ON OUR
FINISH THIS REPORT BASED ON OUR REPORTING WITH FEDERAL
REPORTING WITH FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS.
INVESTIGATORS. AND HE'S TRYING TO GET IT DONE
AND HE'S TRYING TO GET IT DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER, BUT HE NEEDS
BEFORE SEPTEMBER, BUT HE NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT THE PRESIDENT'S
TO FIGURE OUT THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT.
INTENT. AND UNTIL THE PRESIDENT SITS
AND UNTIL THE PRESIDENT SITS DOWN, BRIAN, HE IS NOT GOING TO
DOWN, BRIAN, HE IS NOT GOING TO REALLY HAVE THAT.
REALLY HAVE THAT. >> BARBARA, YOU'RE THE LAWYER
>> BARBARA, YOU'RE THE LAWYER HERE.
HERE. REAL QUICK, THIS PHRASE "PERJURY
REAL QUICK, THIS PHRASE "PERJURY TRAP" THAT WE HEAR ON A NEAR
TRAP" THAT WE HEAR ON A NEAR DAILY BASIS.
DAILY BASIS. I'VE HEARD SOME LAWYERS LIKE YOU
I'VE HEARD SOME LAWYERS LIKE YOU ON TV SAY LISTEN, THE TRUTH WILL
ON TV SAY LISTEN, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
SET YOU FREE. THAT IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH, IF
THAT IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH, IF THOSE AROUND YOU TELL THE TRUTH,
THOSE AROUND YOU TELL THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERJURY TRAP.
PERJURY TRAP. WHAT DO PEOPLE MEAN BY PERJURY
WHAT DO PEOPLE MEAN BY PERJURY TRAP?
TRAP? >> AT LEAST AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
>> AT LEAST AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE IDEA OF A PERJURY
JUSTICE, THE IDEA OF A PERJURY TRAP IS FORBIDDEN.
TRAP IS FORBIDDEN. AND THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE NO
AND THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE NO LEGITIMATE PURPOSE FOR CALLING
LEGITIMATE PURPOSE FOR CALLING SOMEONE THE A GRAND JURY OTHER
SOMEONE THE A GRAND JURY OTHER THAN TO TRY TO CATCH THEM IN A
THAN TO TRY TO CATCH THEM IN A LIE.
LIE. THAT IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE
THAT IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE COMMITTED ANY OTHER
THEY'VE COMMITTED ANY OTHER CRIME.
CRIME. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO CATCH
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO CATCH THEM IN A LIE SO YOU CAN CHARGE
THEM IN A LIE SO YOU CAN CHARGE THEM WITH THAT LIE.
THEM WITH THAT LIE. I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE IT'S
I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE IT'S CLEAR THAT ROBERT MUELLER HAS A
CLEAR THAT ROBERT MUELLER HAS A LOT OF LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT
LOT OF LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT HE WANTS TO ASK OF PRESIDENT
HE WANTS TO ASK OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
TRUMP. AND THE IDEA THAT IT'S A PERJURY
AND THE IDEA THAT IT'S A PERJURY TRAP ONLY EXISTS IF HE CHOOSES
TRAP ONLY EXISTS IF HE CHOOSES TO LIE.
TO LIE. >> NOW JONATHAN LEMIRE, THE
>> NOW JONATHAN LEMIRE, THE QUESTION FOR YOU WHICH MAY CALL
QUESTION FOR YOU WHICH MAY CALL FOR A JUDGMENT, WHAT IS GREATER
FOR A JUDGMENT, WHAT IS GREATER DO YOU THINK IN THE TRUMP CAMP?
DO YOU THINK IN THE TRUMP CAMP? THE FEAR OF A SUBPOENA OR THE
THE FEAR OF A SUBPOENA OR THE FEAR OF PERJURY?
FEAR OF PERJURY? >> I THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT
>> I THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT BOTH.
BOTH. I MEAN, THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE
I MEAN, THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE LEGAL ARGUMENTS TO PROTECT THEM
LEGAL ARGUMENTS TO PROTECT THEM AGAINST A SUBPOENA.
AGAINST A SUBPOENA. THEY DENT BELIEVE THAT THE
THEY DENT BELIEVE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN THE CODE THERE THAT MUELLER IS
CODE THERE THAT MUELLER IS CERTAINLY A BUY THE BOOK
CERTAINLY A BUY THE BOOK PROSECUTOR, AND WE BELIEVE THAT
PROSECUTOR, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD NOT
THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD NOT FOR THAT.
FOR THAT. PERHAPS IT'S PERJURY.
PERHAPS IT'S PERJURY. EVERYONE, AS I REPORTED BEFORE,
EVERYONE, AS I REPORTED BEFORE, PEOPLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT JUST
PEOPLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT JUST FEEL THAT HE IS WALKING INTO A
FEEL THAT HE IS WALKING INTO A LAND MINE SITUATION IF HE GOES
LAND MINE SITUATION IF HE GOES IN THERE, THAT HE IS SO
IN THERE, THAT HE IS SO UNDISCIPLINED WHEN HE SPEAKS,
UNDISCIPLINED WHEN HE SPEAKS, AND THAT HE SOMETIMES WILL TRY
AND THAT HE SOMETIMES WILL TRY TO SAY THINGS TO WIN OVER THE
TO SAY THINGS TO WIN OVER THE ROOM AND TO CURRY FAVOR WITH
ROOM AND TO CURRY FAVOR WITH THESE INVESTIGATORS.
THESE INVESTIGATORS. HE'S GOING TO WALK IN THERE AND
HE'S GOING TO WALK IN THERE AND SOME SOME MISTRUTHS OR SAY
SOME SOME MISTRUTHS OR SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T RIGHT OR BE
THINGS THAT AREN'T RIGHT OR BE SELECTIVE IN WHAT HE SAYS AND
SELECTIVE IN WHAT HE SAYS AND THEREFORE AS GIULIANI SAYS, WALK
THEREFORE AS GIULIANI SAYS, WALK HIMSELF INTO PERJURY.
HIMSELF INTO PERJURY. THE PRESIDENT, THOUGH, TO THIS
THE PRESIDENT, THOUGH, TO THIS POINT IS PUBLICLY SAYING HE
POINT IS PUBLICLY SAYING HE STILL WANTS TO DO THIS.
STILL WANTS TO DO THIS. I THINK THE LONG THEIR GOES ON,
I THINK THE LONG THEIR GOES ON, THE MORE THAT GIULIANI AND THE
THE MORE THAT GIULIANI AND THE LEGAL TEAM MOVES THE GOALPOST
LEGAL TEAM MOVES THE GOALPOST SORT OF MAKING IT ALMOST
SORT OF MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR MUELLER TO
IMPOSSIBLE FOR MUELLER TO FINALLY TO AGREE TO THIS.
FINALLY TO AGREE TO THIS. AS MUCH AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
AS MUCH AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL DOES WANT THIS INTERVIEW.
DOES WANT THIS INTERVIEW. AS BOB JUST SAID THAT.
AS BOB JUST SAID THAT. >> NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY.
>> NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY. THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE
THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE INTENT WHAT WAS BEHIND THE
INTENT WHAT WAS BEHIND THE PRESIDENT, THE ACTIONS WHEN HE
PRESIDENT, THE ACTIONS WHEN HE MOVED WHETHER IT WAS COMEY OR
MOVED WHETHER IT WAS COMEY OR FLYNN AND SO ON.
FLYNN AND SO ON. BUT AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING
BUT AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, IF
TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, IF HE IS NOT GOING TO SIT DOWN,
HE IS NOT GOING TO SIT DOWN, THEN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
THEN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE SUBPOENA.
SUBPOENA. I THINK AT THIS POINT, GIULIANI
I THINK AT THIS POINT, GIULIANI AND OTHERS, THEY'RE TRYING TO
AND OTHERS, THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK HERE.
RUN OUT THE CLOCK HERE. THEY KNOW THAT MUELLER IS TRYING
THEY KNOW THAT MUELLER IS TRYING NOT TO WADE INTO THE MID TERMS.
NOT TO WADE INTO THE MID TERMS. THAT IF HE DOESN'T DO IT THEN,
THAT IF HE DOESN'T DO IT THEN, HE TABLES IT AS OF LABOR DAY AND
HE TABLES IT AS OF LABOR DAY AND REVISITS IN NOVEMBER OR
REVISITS IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, EVEN THOUGH, OF
DECEMBER, EVEN THOUGH, OF COURSE, WE DID SEE JIM COMEY
COURSE, WE DID SEE JIM COMEY OPEN UP A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION
OPEN UP A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION THAT ABSOLUTELY MATTERED TO AN
THAT ABSOLUTELY MATTERED TO AN ELECTION JUST ABOUT TEN DAYS
ELECTION JUST ABOUT TEN DAYS BEFORE VOTERS WENT TO THE BALLOT
BEFORE VOTERS WENT TO THE BALLOT BOX.
BOX. >> MORE ON THAT IN A MOMENT.
>> MORE ON THAT IN A MOMENT. BARB, I WATCHED GIULIANI ON FOX
BARB, I WATCHED GIULIANI ON FOX TONIGHT.
TONIGHT. AT A CERTAIN POINT, GIULIANI
AT A CERTAIN POINT, GIULIANI STOPPED TALKING ABOUT THIS.
STOPPED TALKING ABOUT THIS. HE KIND OF REFERRED TO --
HE KIND OF REFERRED TO -- DEFERRED TO JAY SEKULOW.
DEFERRED TO JAY SEKULOW. A, IT IS POSSIBLE ONE OF THE
A, IT IS POSSIBLE ONE OF THE FEDS SAID YOUR SIDE SHOULD
FEDS SAID YOUR SIDE SHOULD REALLY STOP TALKING ABOUT THESE
REALLY STOP TALKING ABOUT THESE NEGOTIATIONS?
NEGOTIATIONS? AND, B, WHAT ARE THE FEDS LIKELY
AND, B, WHAT ARE THE FEDS LIKELY TO MAKE OF ALL THIS PUBLIC
TO MAKE OF ALL THIS PUBLIC SHARING OF LETTERS AND DEMANDS
SHARING OF LETTERS AND DEMANDS AND NO QUESTIONS ON OBSTRUCTION
AND NO QUESTIONS ON OBSTRUCTION AND THE LIKE?
AND THE LIKE? >> WELL, ORDINARILY, THE
>> WELL, ORDINARILY, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOESN'T
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOESN'T WANT TO SILENCE PEOPLE WHO WANT
WANT TO SILENCE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK.
TO TALK. THEY HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
THEY HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO DO THAT.
TO DO THAT. SO I'M SURE THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
SO I'M SURE THEY DON'T LIKE IT. THEY PROBABLY AREN'T HAPPY WITH
THEY PROBABLY AREN'T HAPPY WITH IT.
IT. IT MAY NOT EVEN BE ACCURATE.
IT MAY NOT EVEN BE ACCURATE. BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING
BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF
TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF GIULIANI AND SEKULOW WANT TO
GIULIANI AND SEKULOW WANT TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK IT ADVANCES THEIR
I DON'T THINK IT ADVANCES THEIR POSITION IN NEGOTIATING BY
POSITION IN NEGOTIATING BY TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE PUBLIC
TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE.
SPHERE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO ORDER THEM TO STOP IN ANY WAY.
ORDER THEM TO STOP IN ANY WAY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE AFFECT
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE AFFECT OF IT ALL IS WE GET THIS VERY
OF IT ALL IS WE GET THIS VERY ONE-SIDED NARRATIVE.
ONE-SIDED NARRATIVE. WE DENT EVEN KNOW WHETHER IT'S
WE DENT EVEN KNOW WHETHER IT'S TRUE.
TRUE. THEY MADE REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT
THEY MADE REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THEIR LETTER.
THEIR LETTER. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE LETTER AND
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE LETTER AND CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM
CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM ROBERT MUELLER.
ROBERT MUELLER. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. BUT I DO GET THE SENSE THAT
BUT I DO GET THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE SLOW-WALKING THIS.
THEY'RE SLOW-WALKING THIS. THEY'RE TRYING GET THEMSELVES AS
THEY'RE TRYING GET THEMSELVES AS CLOSE TO SEPTEMBER AS POSSIBLE.
CLOSE TO SEPTEMBER AS POSSIBLE. SAY WE'RE NEGOTIATING, WE'RE
SAY WE'RE NEGOTIATING, WE'RE STILL KEEPING THE DOOR OPEN
STILL KEEPING THE DOOR OPEN BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT AS THAT
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT AS THAT ELECTION APPROACHES, IT'S LESS
ELECTION APPROACHES, IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT ROBERT MUELLER WOULD
LIKELY THAT ROBERT MUELLER WOULD SERVE THAT SUBPOENA AND LAUNCH
SERVE THAT SUBPOENA AND LAUNCH WHAT'S LIKELY TO BE SOME VERY
WHAT'S LIKELY TO BE SOME VERY EXPLOSIVE LITIGATION.
EXPLOSIVE LITIGATION. >> ALSO, BARB, WHAT IS RUDY
>> ALSO, BARB, WHAT IS RUDY TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAYS THIS
TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAYS THIS INVESTIGATION WILL VIOLATE DOJ
INVESTIGATION WILL VIOLATE DOJ RULES IF IT GOES PAST SEPTEMBER
RULES IF IT GOES PAST SEPTEMBER 1?
1? >> WELL, HE IS CONFLATING SOME
>> WELL, HE IS CONFLATING SOME THINGS HERE.
THINGS HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S INTENTIONAL OR NOT, BUT THERE
INTENTIONAL OR NOT, BUT THERE ARE SOMETIMES SOMETHING REFERRED
ARE SOMETIMES SOMETHING REFERRED TO AS A 60-DAY RULE BEFORE AN
TO AS A 60-DAY RULE BEFORE AN ELECTION, THERE IS USUALLY A
ELECTION, THERE IS USUALLY A COOLING OFF PERIOD.
COOLING OFF PERIOD. THE LANGUAGE OF THE RULE REALLY
THE LANGUAGE OF THE RULE REALLY IS VERY BROAD.
IS VERY BROAD. IT JUST SAYS PROSECUTORS
IT JUST SAYS PROSECUTORS SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO
SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN
INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION.
ELECTION. AND WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T DO
AND WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T DO REALLY DEPENDS ON THE FACTS OF
REALLY DEPENDS ON THE FACTS OF THE CASE.
THE CASE. BUT MANY PEOPLE HAVE INTERPRETED
BUT MANY PEOPLE HAVE INTERPRETED THAT TO BE SORT OF A 60-DAY RULE
THAT TO BE SORT OF A 60-DAY RULE THAT SAYS WHEN YOU GET 60 DAYS
THAT SAYS WHEN YOU GET 60 DAYS OUT OF AN ELECTION, YOU PROBABLY
OUT OF AN ELECTION, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD COOL OFF AND NOT FILE
SHOULD COOL OFF AND NOT FILE ANYTHING PUBLICLY.
ANYTHING PUBLICLY. SO WITH THE ELECTIONS IN
SO WITH THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT
NOVEMBER, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT LABOR DAY.
LABOR DAY. SO I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN MANY
SO I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN MANY SUGGESTING THAT ROBERT MUELLER
SUGGESTING THAT ROBERT MUELLER WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO SERVE A
WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO SERVE A SUBPOENA THEN.
SUBPOENA THEN. BUT TO SUGGEST THE INVESTIGATION
BUT TO SUGGEST THE INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO BE OVER BY THEN IS A
NEEDS TO BE OVER BY THEN IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING.
VERY DIFFERENT THING. EVEN IF HE DOES GO INTO A
EVEN IF HE DOES GO INTO A COOLING OFF PERIOD, WHICH HE MAY
COOLING OFF PERIOD, WHICH HE MAY OR MAY NOT DO WITH TRUMP ON THE
OR MAY NOT DO WITH TRUMP ON THE BALLOT, NOTHING SAYS HE HAS TO
BALLOT, NOTHING SAYS HE HAS TO BE DONE BY THAT POINT.
BE DONE BY THAT POINT. >> NO ONE EXPECTS MUELLER TO DO
>> NO ONE EXPECTS MUELLER TO DO ANYTHING INCAUTIOUS, A.
ANYTHING INCAUTIOUS, A. AND B, ONE OF THE HARDENED
AND B, ONE OF THE HARDENED CYNICS IN OUR BUSINESS PROFFERED
CYNICS IN OUR BUSINESS PROFFERED THIS THEORY TONIGHT, AND THAT IS
THIS THEORY TONIGHT, AND THAT IS THAT BY SAYING SEPTEMBER 1, BY
THAT BY SAYING SEPTEMBER 1, BY GETTING THAT OUT INTO THE
GETTING THAT OUT INTO THE BLOODSTREAM, RUDY, WHO IS A
BLOODSTREAM, RUDY, WHO IS A MEMBER OF THIS TEAM THAT SAYS
MEMBER OF THIS TEAM THAT SAYS NOTHING REALLY BY ACCIDENT.
NOTHING REALLY BY ACCIDENT. USUALLY IT'S BACK REFERENCED,
USUALLY IT'S BACK REFERENCED, MAY BE GETTING INTO THE PUBLIC
MAY BE GETTING INTO THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS WHAT HE SEES AS A
CONSCIOUSNESS WHAT HE SEES AS A WIN IF AND ABOUT WHEN MUELLER
WIN IF AND ABOUT WHEN MUELLER SUSPENDS FOR ELECTION SEASON,
SUSPENDS FOR ELECTION SEASON, THEY CAN SAY IT'S BEEN PROPERLY
THEY CAN SAY IT'S BEEN PROPERLY THIS INVESTIGATION BEEN PAUSED,
THIS INVESTIGATION BEEN PAUSED, AND THAT'S A VICTORY FOR US.
AND THAT'S A VICTORY FOR US. >> THAT'S RIGHT, BRIAN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, BRIAN. TALKING TO MAYOR GIULIANI, YOU
TALKING TO MAYOR GIULIANI, YOU SEE HIM PREPARING RIGHT NOW POUR
SEE HIM PREPARING RIGHT NOW POUR THE SUBPOENA, FIGHT THAT
THE SUBPOENA, FIGHT THAT SUBPOENA THREAT, GOES ALL THE
SUBPOENA THREAT, GOES ALL THE WAY BECOME TO MARCH WHEN MUELLER
WAY BECOME TO MARCH WHEN MUELLER MADE IT IN A PRIVATE EXCHANGE
MADE IT IN A PRIVATE EXCHANGE WITH THEN TRUMP ATTORNEY JOHN
WITH THEN TRUMP ATTORNEY JOHN DOWD.
DOWD. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON EDGE,
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON EDGE, ESPECIALLY AFTER TUESDAY'S
ESPECIALLY AFTER TUESDAY'S PRIMARIES IN OHIO AND ELSEWHERE
PRIMARIES IN OHIO AND ELSEWHERE ABOUT THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
ABOUT THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE
THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE MUELLER REPORT HANGING OVER
MUELLER REPORT HANGING OVER THEIR HEADS.
THEIR HEADS. IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH
IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ON CAPITOL
REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ON CAPITOL HILL, THEY'RE TELLING THE WHITE
HILL, THEY'RE TELLING THE WHITE HOUSE, THEY'RE TELLING TRUMP
HOUSE, THEY'RE TELLING TRUMP ALLIES, THEY'RE TELLING GIULIANI
ALLIES, THEY'RE TELLING GIULIANI AND THE PRESIDENT, ANYTHING YOU
AND THE PRESIDENT, ANYTHING YOU CAN TO GET RUSSIA OFF OF OUR
CAN TO GET RUSSIA OFF OF OUR PLATE, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
PLATE, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. AND THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO TAKE
AND THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO TAKE A TOUGH LINE AND SANCTIONS.
A TOUGH LINE AND SANCTIONS. THE PARTY IS MORE HAWKISH THAN
THE PARTY IS MORE HAWKISH THAN THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA, BUT
THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA, BUT THEY WANT THIS MUELLER REPORT TO
THEY WANT THIS MUELLER REPORT TO BE NOT HANGING OUT THERE AS A
BE NOT HANGING OUT THERE AS A VARIABLE.
VARIABLE. AND SO THAT'S WHY IN PART THIS
AND SO THAT'S WHY IN PART THIS IS A POLITICAL STRATEGY FOR
IS A POLITICAL STRATEGY FOR GIULIANI AS MUCH AS A LEGAL
GIULIANI AS MUCH AS A LEGAL STRATEGY.
STRATEGY. >> JONATHAN LEMIRE, I WANT TO
>> JONATHAN LEMIRE, I WANT TO READ YOU THE QUOTE, TWO VERY
READ YOU THE QUOTE, TWO VERY YOUNG PROMISING WRITERS A THE
YOUNG PROMISING WRITERS A THE ASSOCIATED PRESS HAVE WORKED
ASSOCIATED PRESS HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ON THIS PIECE.
TOGETHER ON THIS PIECE. OH, LOOK, IT'S YOU AND YOUR
OH, LOOK, IT'S YOU AND YOUR CO-AUTHOR.
CO-AUTHOR. TRUMP HAS SEETHED TO CONFIDANTES
TRUMP HAS SEETHED TO CONFIDANTES THAT HE VIEWS THE MANAFORT
THAT HE VIEWS THE MANAFORT CHARGES AS A WARNING SHOT FROM
CHARGES AS A WARNING SHOT FROM MUELLER.
MUELLER. HE HAS TOLD THOSE CLOSE TO HIM
HE HAS TOLD THOSE CLOSE TO HIM THAT AS HE WATCHES THE COURTROOM
THAT AS HE WATCHES THE COURTROOM PROCEEDINGS, HE FEARS THAT
PROCEEDINGS, HE FEARS THAT DONALD TRUMP JR. COULD AT SOME
DONALD TRUMP JR. COULD AT SOME POINT BE THE ONE ON TRIAL, LEFT
POINT BE THE ONE ON TRIAL, LEFT OUT ALL THE CAREFUL SOURCING
OUT ALL THE CAREFUL SOURCING THAT YOU WERE CAREFUL TO PUT IN
THAT YOU WERE CAREFUL TO PUT IN THIS.
THIS. YOU'RE JUST BACK FROM
YOU'RE JUST BACK FROM BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY.
BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY. HOW IS THE PRESIDENT ENJOYING
HOW IS THE PRESIDENT ENJOYING HIS VACATION?
HIS VACATION? >> WE HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MUCH OF
>> WE HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MUCH OF HIM ON THE VACATION.
HIM ON THE VACATION. >> EXACTLY THE WAY THEY PLANNED
>> EXACTLY THE WAY THEY PLANNED IT.
IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. HE DID HAVE A DINNER WITH
HE DID HAVE A DINNER WITH BUSINESS LEADER LAST NIGHT.
BUSINESS LEADER LAST NIGHT. WE SAW THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF
WE SAW THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF IT.
IT. BUT LARGELY HE HAS BEEN LAYING
BUT LARGELY HE HAS BEEN LAYING LOW.
LOW. THE WHITE HOUSE HASN'T BEEN
THE WHITE HOUSE HASN'T BEEN SPEAKING OUT WHO HE HAS BEEN
SPEAKING OUT WHO HE HAS BEEN READING WITH AND GOLFING WITH.
READING WITH AND GOLFING WITH. WE KNOW OVER THE LAST TEN DAYS
WE KNOW OVER THE LAST TEN DAYS OR SO, WE HAVE SEEN REFLECTED IN
OR SO, WE HAVE SEEN REFLECTED IN HIS TWEETS, AS WELL AS THESE
HIS TWEETS, AS WELL AS THESE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS HOW UPSET
PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS HOW UPSET HE HAS BEEN WATCHING THE
HE HAS BEEN WATCHING THE MANAFORT TRIAL DAY AFTER DAY.
MANAFORT TRIAL DAY AFTER DAY. IT'S THE CABLE COVERAGE, IT'S IN
IT'S THE CABLE COVERAGE, IT'S IN HIS FACE.
HIS FACE. IT'S MOSTLY YOU, INESCAPABLE
IT'S MOSTLY YOU, INESCAPABLE EVERY DAY THAT HE SEES IT THERE.
EVERY DAY THAT HE SEES IT THERE. AND THAT HE -- AS HE'S TOLD
AND THAT HE -- AS HE'S TOLD PEOPLE AROUND HIM, HE FEELS THAT
PEOPLE AROUND HIM, HE FEELS THAT SORT OF MUELLER'S OPENING ACT.
SORT OF MUELLER'S OPENING ACT. EVEN THOUGH THIS TRIAL IS NOT
EVEN THOUGH THIS TRIAL IS NOT ABOUT RUSSIA, BUT HE FEELS
ABOUT RUSSIA, BUT HE FEELS MUELLER'S HAND IS INVOLVED,
MUELLER'S HAND IS INVOLVED, OBVIOUSLY MANAFORT WAS A
OBVIOUSLY MANAFORT WAS A PROMINENT PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN
PROMINENT PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN AND IT'S A SENSE OF WHAT COULD
AND IT'S A SENSE OF WHAT COULD STILL BE TO COME.
STILL BE TO COME. EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T BELIEVE
EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T BELIEVE HIS SON DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT
HIS SON DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT HE SUGGESTS THAT A, HE
HE SUGGESTS THAT A, HE INADVERTENTLY BROKE THE LAW,
INADVERTENTLY BROKE THE LAW, PERHAPS, OR B, HE IS SIMPLY THE
PERHAPS, OR B, HE IS SIMPLY THE VICTIM OF A WITCH-HUNT.
VICTIM OF A WITCH-HUNT. STOP ME IF YOU'VE HEARD THAT
STOP ME IF YOU'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE FROM THE PRESIDENT.
BEFORE FROM THE PRESIDENT. AND IN THIS CASE, HE FEELS THAT
AND IN THIS CASE, HE FEELS THAT THAT COULD BE NEXT.
THAT COULD BE NEXT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVEN
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVEN THOUGH PUBLICLY HE IS SUGGESTING
THOUGH PUBLICLY HE IS SUGGESTING I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DON JR.,
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DON JR., PRIVATELY HE IS.
PRIVATELY HE IS. DON JR. HIMSELF ALSO VERY MUCH
DON JR. HIMSELF ALSO VERY MUCH TAKING THIS BRASH APPROACH,
TAKING THIS BRASH APPROACH, MOVING FOR WARD.
MOVING FOR WARD. HE HAS BECOME A VERY POPULAR
HE HAS BECOME A VERY POPULAR SURROGATE AMONG REPUBLICANS FOR
SURROGATE AMONG REPUBLICANS FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS
THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS CRISSCROSSING THE COUNTRY.
CRISSCROSSING THE COUNTRY. SO HE IS NOT LETTING THIS SLOW
SO HE IS NOT LETTING THIS SLOW HIM DOWN.
HIM DOWN. >> BIG THANKS TO OUR BIG THREE

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