
>>, I DO NOT. >> SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
>> SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN
FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT IS ON TRIAL.
PAUL MANAFORT IS ON TRIAL. CHARGES PREDATE THE TRUMP
CHARGES PREDATE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN BUT COULD HAVE
CAMPAIGN BUT COULD HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE CAMPAIGN
RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE CAMPAIGN IF HE IS CONVICTED AND COULD
IF HE IS CONVICTED AND COULD FACE UP TO 10 YEARS.
FACE UP TO 10 YEARS. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE
EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AGAINST PAUL
SPECIAL COUNSEL AGAINST PAUL MANAFORT.
MANAFORT. CASE STANDS ON TWO BASIC LEGS.
CASE STANDS ON TWO BASIC LEGS. ONE THAT MANAFORT MADE TENS OF
ONE THAT MANAFORT MADE TENS OF MILLIONS WORKING FOR UKRAINIAN
MILLIONS WORKING FOR UKRAINIAN POLITICIANS AND RUSSIAN
POLITICIANS AND RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS THAT HE NEVER PAID
OLIGARCHS THAT HE NEVER PAID TAXES ON AND TWO THAT HE TOOK
TAXES ON AND TWO THAT HE TOOK OUT FRAUDULENT LOANS FROM U.S.
OUT FRAUDULENT LOANS FROM U.S. BANKS.
BANKS. MANAFORT SPENT UPWARD OF THERE
MANAFORT SPENT UPWARD OF THERE IS 14 MILLION TO BUY SEVERAL
IS 14 MILLION TO BUY SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN ALEXANDRIA,
PROPERTIES IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA, LANDSCAPING,
VIRGINIA, LANDSCAPING, HOUSEKEEPING AND HOME
HOUSEKEEPING AND HOME IMPROVEMENTS DONE TO BOOST THE
IMPROVEMENTS DONE TO BOOST THE VALUE OF THE HOMES.
VALUE OF THE HOMES. THEN ALLEGEDLY INFLATED HIS
THEN ALLEGEDLY INFLATED HIS WORTH ON LOAN APPLICATIONS LIKE
WORTH ON LOAN APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS ONE, TAKING OUT EVEN MORE
THIS ONE, TAKING OUT EVEN MORE MONEY.
MONEY. AS THE SPECIALTY COUNSEL PUT IT,
AS THE SPECIALTY COUNSEL PUT IT, HE CREATED CASH OUT OF THIN AIR.
HE CREATED CASH OUT OF THIN AIR. HE SPENT MORE THAN $1.4 MILLION
HE SPENT MORE THAN $1.4 MILLION AT CLOTHING STORES IN NEW YORK
AT CLOTHING STORES IN NEW YORK AND
AND AND -- BEVERLY HILLS.
AND -- BEVERLY HILLS. THIS IS A PYTHON JACKET, $18,000
THIS IS A PYTHON JACKET, $18,000 JACKET.
JACKET. AND, BY THE WAY, THAT'S NOT ALL.
AND, BY THE WAY, THAT'S NOT ALL. I'M GOING TO SWIPE THIS OVER TO
I'M GOING TO SWIPE THIS OVER TO THE NEXT ONE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT
THE NEXT ONE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT A $15,000 OSTRICH JACKET LOOKS
A $15,000 OSTRICH JACKET LOOKS LIKE.
LIKE. HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM. EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WHATEVER
EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WHATEVER LIFESTYLE THEY WANT BUT THIS ONE
LIFESTYLE THEY WANT BUT THIS ONE WAS NEARLY TAX FREE.
WAS NEARLY TAX FREE. JOINING KNEEME NOW LIVE OUTSIDE
JOINING KNEEME NOW LIVE OUTSIDE COURT.
COURT. KEN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
KEN, GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE. OUTSIDE THERE SINCE THE
OUTSIDE THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS TRIAL.
BEGINNING OF THIS TRIAL. WHAT'S THE EARLY TAKE ON HOW
WHAT'S THE EARLY TAKE ON HOW IT'S GOING?
IT'S GOING? >> Reporter: WELL, YOU NEVER NOW
>> Reporter: WELL, YOU NEVER NOW HOW A JURY IS PROCESSING THIS,
HOW A JURY IS PROCESSING THIS, BUT THE EVIDENCE FROM WHERE I
BUT THE EVIDENCE FROM WHERE I SIT LOOKS OVERWHELMING.
SIT LOOKS OVERWHELMING. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE, IN THE
IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE, IN THE SOCK
SOCK DOCUMENTS.
DOCUMENTS. FOR ALL THE PURCHASES YOU'RE
FOR ALL THE PURCHASES YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND MANY MORE, FOR
DESCRIBING AND MANY MORE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS JUST A
EXAMPLE, THERE WAS JUST A WITNESS WHO SAID THAT MANAFORT
WITNESS WHO SAID THAT MANAFORT SPEND $2.2 MILLION ON HOME
SPEND $2.2 MILLION ON HOME AUTOMATION SERVICES, AND SORT OF
AUTOMATION SERVICES, AND SORT OF INTERNET AND TELEVISION
INTERNET AND TELEVISION CONNECTIONS AT HIS VARIOUS
CONNECTIONS AT HIS VARIOUS HOMES.
HOMES. OVER FOUR YEARS.
OVER FOUR YEARS. FOR EACH OF THESE TRANSACTIONS,
FOR EACH OF THESE TRANSACTIONS, THE GOVERNMENT IS SWING THE
THE GOVERNMENT IS SWING THE MONEY WAS WIRED FROM THESE
MONEY WAS WIRED FROM THESE ACCOUNTS AND LLC's IN CYPRESS
ACCOUNTS AND LLC's IN CYPRESS WHICH THE GOVERNMENT ALLEGED WAS
WHICH THE GOVERNMENT ALLEGED WAS PARKED THERE TO AVOID TAXES.
PARKED THERE TO AVOID TAXES. THEY'RE LATER GOING TO SHOW HE
THEY'RE LATER GOING TO SHOW HE CHECKED THE BOX THAT SAID HE DID
CHECKED THE BOX THAT SAID HE DID NOT HAVE CONTROL OF FOREIGN
NOT HAVE CONTROL OF FOREIGN ACCOUNTS.
ACCOUNTS. THAT'S IR REFUTABLE.
THAT'S IR REFUTABLE. THE DEFENSE FROM THE OPENING
THE DEFENSE FROM THE OPENING STATEMENTS ARE GOING TO STAY HE
STATEMENTS ARE GOING TO STAY HE DIDN'T MEAN TO FILL IT OUT
DIDN'T MEAN TO FILL IT OUT INCORRECTLY, RELIED ON
INCORRECTLY, RELIED ON ACCOUNTANTS AND ADVISERS, TRYING
ACCOUNTANTS AND ADVISERS, TRYING TO BLAME RICK GATES, HIS RIGHT
TO BLAME RICK GATES, HIS RIGHT HAND MAN.
HAND MAN. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE HOW THAT'S
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO FLY.
GOING TO FLY. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. SOMEBODY ON THE JURY MAY SAY
SOMEBODY ON THE JURY MAY SAY YOU'RE PICKING ON THE GUY FOR
YOU'RE PICKING ON THE GUY FOR BUYING OSTRICH JACKETS AND
BUYING OSTRICH JACKETS AND HAVING A LOT OF HOUSES.
HAVING A LOT OF HOUSES. CAN THEY NOT MAKE THEIR CASE
CAN THEY NOT MAKE THEIR CASE WITHOUT SAYING THIS LAVISH
WITHOUT SAYING THIS LAVISH LIFESTYLE WAS PAID FOR BY EITHER
LIFESTYLE WAS PAID FOR BY EITHER ILL GOTTEN MEANS OR TAXES WERE
ILL GOTTEN MEANS OR TAXES WERE NOT PAID?
NOT PAID? >> KEEP IN MIND YOU'RE ASKING A
>> KEEP IN MIND YOU'RE ASKING A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, BUT I AGREE,
DEFENSE ATTORNEY, BUT I AGREE, THIS IS GOVERNMENT OVERKILL TO
THIS IS GOVERNMENT OVERKILL TO THE DEGREE THEY'RE SHOWING ALL
THE DEGREE THEY'RE SHOWING ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE OF A LAVISH
OF THIS EVIDENCE OF A LAVISH LIFESTYLE.
LIFESTYLE. IT IS, ADMISSIBLE, HOWEVER TO
IT IS, ADMISSIBLE, HOWEVER TO SHOW HE HAD A MOTIVE TO KEEP UP
SHOW HE HAD A MOTIVE TO KEEP UP THIS LIFESTYLE.
THIS LIFESTYLE. MOTIVE WAS TO HAVE ILL-GOTTEN
MOTIVE WAS TO HAVE ILL-GOTTEN GAINS, TO RECEIVE HIS MONEY
GAINS, TO RECEIVE HIS MONEY WITHOUT PAYING TAXES ON IT.
WITHOUT PAYING TAXES ON IT. HOWEVER, AND EVEN THE JUDGE HAS
HOWEVER, AND EVEN THE JUDGE HAS POINTED THIS OUT.
POINTED THIS OUT. IF IT CROSSES OVER INTO A FORM
IF IT CROSSES OVER INTO A FORM OF HEY, JURY, LOOK AT THIS RICH
OF HEY, JURY, LOOK AT THIS RICH GUY AND HATE HIM BECAUSE HE HAS
GUY AND HATE HIM BECAUSE HE HAS A LOT OF MONEY, THAT'S NOT A
A LOT OF MONEY, THAT'S NOT A PROCEDURE PURPOSE FOR THE
PROCEDURE PURPOSE FOR THE EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. SO THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO WALK
SO THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO WALK THE LINE.
THE LINE. BUT, IT JUST SHOWS -- I WROTE A
BUT, IT JUST SHOWS -- I WROTE A COLUMN ABOUT THIS -- THAT THE
COLUMN ABOUT THIS -- THAT THE GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE, WANTS A
GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE, WANTS A WIN BADLY.
WIN BADLY. THAT'S WHY THEY CHARGE CRIMES
THAT'S WHY THEY CHARGE CRIMES LIKE TAX PERJURY, LIGHTER
LIKE TAX PERJURY, LIGHTER BURDEN, EASIER TO PROVE AND EVEN
BURDEN, EASIER TO PROVE AND EVEN WITH ALL OF THIS DOCUMENTARY
WITH ALL OF THIS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE, THIS OVERWHELMING
EVIDENCE, THIS OVERWHELMING AVALANCHE OF DATA AGAINST PAUL
AVALANCHE OF DATA AGAINST PAUL MANAFORT IN BLACK AND WHITE,
MANAFORT IN BLACK AND WHITE, THEY STILL TROT IN THE EVIDENCE
THEY STILL TROT IN THE EVIDENCE OF THIS LIFESTYLE JUST TO PUT
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