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MIDWIN CHARLES IS AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM MIDWIN CHARLES
WITH THE LAW FIRM MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES.
AND ASSOCIATES. ALL RIGHT, SHANNON, WHY SHOULD
ALL RIGHT, SHANNON, WHY SHOULD THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS HOME
THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS HOME RIGHT NOW HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE
RIGHT NOW HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, WHY DO
ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, WHY DO THEY CARE ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT
THEY CARE ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT AND RICK GATES?
AND RICK GATES? THESE ARE JUST TWO GUYS WHO
THESE ARE JUST TWO GUYS WHO SEEMED TO EMBEZZLE MONEY FOR
SEEMED TO EMBEZZLE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. >> I WOULD SAY TO PAY ATTENTION
>> I WOULD SAY TO PAY ATTENTION TO TODAY.
TO TODAY. THEY WERE JUST YESTERDAY
THEY WERE JUST YESTERDAY STARTING TO GET INTO THESE
STARTING TO GET INTO THESE CONNECTIONS TO UKRAINE.
CONNECTIONS TO UKRAINE. THAT COULD BE REALLY I GUESS
THAT COULD BE REALLY I GUESS ENLIGHTENING TO SHOW JUST HOW
ENLIGHTENING TO SHOW JUST HOW DEEPLY TIED PAUL MANAFORT WAS TO
DEEPLY TIED PAUL MANAFORT WAS TO PRO-KREMLIN INTEREST IN UKRAINE.
PRO-KREMLIN INTEREST IN UKRAINE. WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE $60
WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE $60 MILLION PAYMENT.
MILLION PAYMENT. BUT THERE IS A SENSE THAT
BUT THERE IS A SENSE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE HERE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE HERE. WE COULD GET A LOT MORE CLARITY
WE COULD GET A LOT MORE CLARITY ON HOW TIED HE IS TO THE
ON HOW TIED HE IS TO THE UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT EVEN
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO
THOUGH THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION, THERE IS
WITH THE ELECTION, THERE IS NOTHING RULING OUT THAT THERE
NOTHING RULING OUT THAT THERE WASN'T BE FURTHER INDICTMENTS
WASN'T BE FURTHER INDICTMENTS THAT COULD COME.
THAT COULD COME. I HAVE NO REPORTING TO INDICATE
I HAVE NO REPORTING TO INDICATE THERE ARE ANY MORE INDICTMENTS
THERE ARE ANY MORE INDICTMENTS COMING, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY
COMING, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY IN
LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY IN YOUR MIND THERE COULD STILL ALSO
YOUR MIND THERE COULD STILL ALSO BE MORE TO COME ON MANAFORT AND
BE MORE TO COME ON MANAFORT AND GATES AS MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION
GATES AS MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION CONTINUES OR AS HE UNROLLS
CONTINUES OR AS HE UNROLLS FURTHER INDICTMENTS OR FURTHER
FURTHER INDICTMENTS OR FURTHER REPORTS.
REPORTS. >> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A
>> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE.
CHANCE. WE KNOW WHAT MANAFORT'S
WE KNOW WHAT MANAFORT'S ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO DO.
ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO DO. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY GATES IS
THEY'RE GOING TO SAY GATES IS THE REAL CRIMINAL HERE.
THE REAL CRIMINAL HERE. MANAFORT WAS A BUSINESS GUY WITH
MANAFORT WAS A BUSINESS GUY WITH COMPLICATED TAXES AND HE MADE A
COMPLICATED TAXES AND HE MADE A COUPLE OF MISTAKES.
COUPLE OF MISTAKES. >> OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO
>> OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT.
SAY THAT. THEIR JOB IS TO DEFEND MANAFORT
THEIR JOB IS TO DEFEND MANAFORT AT PRETTY MUCH ALL COSTS HERE.
AT PRETTY MUCH ALL COSTS HERE. HOWEVER, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW
HOWEVER, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO FLY.
MUCH IT'S GOING TO FLY. I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE READ
I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT GATES' TESTIMONY, HE'S
ABOUT GATES' TESTIMONY, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE.
VERY CREDIBLE. >> HOLD ON, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE?
>> HOLD ON, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE? THIS GUY LIED TO
THIS GUY LIED TO INVESTIGATORS --
INVESTIGATORS -- >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> EVEN WHILE NEGOTIATING HIS
>> EVEN WHILE NEGOTIATING HIS PLEA DEAL.
PLEA DEAL. >> I THINK THAT MAKES HIS
>> I THINK THAT MAKES HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT MANAFORT
TESTIMONY ABOUT MANAFORT DIRECTING HIM TO LIE TO THE IRS,
DIRECTING HIM TO LIE TO THE IRS, DIRECTING HIM TO CHANGE.
DIRECTING HIM TO CHANGE. I THINK MAKES IT CREDIBLE.
I THINK MAKES IT CREDIBLE. THIS IS A GUY WHO IS WILLING TO
THIS IS A GUY WHO IS WILLING TO SORT OF BUCK THE SYSTEM AND
SORT OF BUCK THE SYSTEM AND CREATE A SITUATION WHERE
CREATE A SITUATION WHERE MANAFORT MAKES MONEY.
MANAFORT MAKES MONEY. WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS
WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS HE SAID ON THE STAND THAT HE
HE SAID ON THE STAND THAT HE NEVER BENEFITED PERSONALLY FROM
NEVER BENEFITED PERSONALLY FROM THE THINGS THAT MANAFORT
THE THINGS THAT MANAFORT DIRECTED HIM TO DO.
DIRECTED HIM TO DO. SO I THINK THAT -- WELL, NOT
SO I THINK THAT -- WELL, NOT NECESSARILY.
NECESSARILY. HE ALSO SAID HE EMBEZZLED
HE ALSO SAID HE EMBEZZLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FROM MANAFORT HIMSELF.
FROM MANAFORT HIMSELF. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT A
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT A GUY WHO'S UPRIGHT.
GUY WHO'S UPRIGHT. THIS IS NOT A GUY, YOU KNOW, WHO
THIS IS NOT A GUY, YOU KNOW, WHO IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LINE AND
IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LINE AND WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF IRS AND
WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF IRS AND WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF BANKING
WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF BANKING LAWS.
LAWS. >> THEN I ASK THE SAME QUESTION
>> THEN I ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, KEN.
TO YOU, KEN. IN TERMS OF GATES' CREDIBILITY
IN TERMS OF GATES' CREDIBILITY HERE, HE'S A KNOWN LIAR TOO.
HERE, HE'S A KNOWN LIAR TOO. >> THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THESE
>> THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THESE KINDS OF CASES.
KINDS OF CASES. WHEN YOU HAVE A COOPERATOR WHO'S
WHEN YOU HAVE A COOPERATOR WHO'S PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY,
PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, THEY TEND NOT TO COME FROM
THEY TEND NOT TO COME FROM LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR.
LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR. THEY'RE CRIMINALS.
THEY'RE CRIMINALS. THE POINT IS THE JURY IS NOT
THE POINT IS THE JURY IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS GUY.
GOING TO LIKE THIS GUY. BUT THE PROSECUTION WANTS THE
BUT THE PROSECUTION WANTS THE JURY TO BELIEVE THIS GUY.
JURY TO BELIEVE THIS GUY. THEY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY
THEY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY SURPRISES ON CROSS EXAMINATION.
SURPRISES ON CROSS EXAMINATION. BUT LOOK, GATES I THINK IS A
BUT LOOK, GATES I THINK IS A COMPELLING WITNESS.
COMPELLING WITNESS. HE'S A MILITARY VETERAN.
HE'S A MILITARY VETERAN. YES, HE'S A LIAR, YES, HE'S A
YES, HE'S A LIAR, YES, HE'S A CRIMINAL, BUT THIS TRIAL IS
CRIMINAL, BUT THIS TRIAL IS ABOUT CRIMES, IT'S ABOUT BANK
ABOUT CRIMES, IT'S ABOUT BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD AND HE'S
FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD AND HE'S BRINGING THE JURY INTO THE
BRINGING THE JURY INTO THE CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. >> SOFT TONES AND A MILITARY
>> SOFT TONES AND A MILITARY BACKGROUND AND THEN HE APPEARED
BACKGROUND AND THEN HE APPEARED TO HAVE FOUND A LIFE OF CRIME.
TO HAVE FOUND A LIFE OF CRIME. WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT -- IS
WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT -- IS THERE ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT
THERE ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE SUPER WORRIED ABOUT?
SHOULD BE SUPER WORRIED ABOUT? >> AT THIS POINT, NOT THAT WE
>> AT THIS POINT, NOT THAT WE KNOW OF.
KNOW OF. I THINK THE DYNAMICS OF THESE
I THINK THE DYNAMICS OF THESE TWO SHOULD SHOW A DIFFERENT
TWO SHOULD SHOW A DIFFERENT SENSE.
SENSE. MANAFORT AND GATES -- PEOPLE HAD
MANAFORT AND GATES -- PEOPLE HAD DESCRIBED THEM TO ME AS LIKE
DESCRIBED THEM TO ME AS LIKE BATMAN AND ROBIN.
BATMAN AND ROBIN. THAT GATES WAS MANAFORT'S ALLY
THAT GATES WAS MANAFORT'S ALLY THAT NO ONE EVER EXPECTED TO
THAT NO ONE EVER EXPECTED TO FLIP ON MANAFORT.
FLIP ON MANAFORT. THESE INVESTIGATIONS HAVE A WAY
THESE INVESTIGATIONS HAVE A WAY OF BREAKING DOWN OLD ALLIANCES.
OF BREAKING DOWN OLD ALLIANCES. TRUMP AND COHEN, GATES AND
TRUMP AND COHEN, GATES AND MANAFORT.
MANAFORT. AS THIS INVESTIGATION PLAYS OUT
AS THIS INVESTIGATION PLAYS OUT AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PUT UNDER
AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PUT UNDER STRESS FROM LEGAL FEES, FROM
STRESS FROM LEGAL FEES, FROM QUESTIONS FROM MUELLER, FROM
QUESTIONS FROM MUELLER, FROM GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, WE'RE
GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALLIANCES JUST LIKE
GOING TO SEE ALLIANCES JUST LIKE THIS ONE CRUMBLE AND BREAK DOWN
THIS ONE CRUMBLE AND BREAK DOWN AND I THINK ANYTHING GOES.
AND I THINK ANYTHING GOES. ALL LOYALTIES ARE OFF THE TABLE
ALL LOYALTIES ARE OFF THE TABLE AS THIS PROGRESSES.
AS THIS PROGRESSES. >> MIDWIN, HOW MUCH IS ON THE
>> MIDWIN, HOW MUCH IS ON THE LINE HERE?
LINE HERE? IF THIS CASE IS SUCCESSFUL IN
IF THIS CASE IS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING PAUL MANAFORT WHAT DOES
GETTING PAUL MANAFORT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO MUELLER'S
THAT DO TO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION?
INVESTIGATION? IF THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL, WHERE
IF THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL, WHERE DO THEY GO?
DO THEY GO? PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE ON THE WITCH HUNT MEGA PHONE.
ON THE WITCH HUNT MEGA PHONE. >> WHICH IS SURPRISING HE COULD
>> WHICH IS SURPRISING HE COULD BE ANY MORE.
BE ANY MORE. FROM WHAT WE HEARD THUS FAR.
FROM WHAT WE HEARD THUS FAR. I THINK THAT --
I THINK THAT -- >> HE CAN STAND ON TOP OF THE
>> HE CAN STAND ON TOP OF THE WALL.
WALL. >> I THINK THIS PROSECUTION
>> I THINK THIS PROSECUTION WOULD BODE WELL FOR MUELLER IF
WOULD BODE WELL FOR MUELLER IF HE'S SUCCESSFUL.
HE'S SUCCESSFUL. WHAT IT WILL SAY IS LISTEN, I'VE
WHAT IT WILL SAY IS LISTEN, I'VE DONE THE WORK AND I'VE DONE THE
DONE THE WORK AND I'VE DONE THE DIGGING AND I THINK THAT TRUMP
DIGGING AND I THINK THAT TRUMP WILL BE VERY NERVOUS.
WILL BE VERY NERVOUS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RICK GATES'
WHEN YOU LOOK AT RICK GATES' TESTIMONY, THAT'S ONE OF THE
TESTIMONY, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TRUMP IS CONCERNED
THINGS THAT TRUMP IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
ABOUT. PEOPLE FLIPPING.
PEOPLE FLIPPING. WE HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE HERE
WE HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE HERE THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCERN
THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCERN FOR ANYONE TO FLIP ON YOU IF
FOR ANYONE TO FLIP ON YOU IF YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR.
WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR. I THINK IF MUELLER SECURES A
I THINK IF MUELLER SECURES A VICTORY HERE, AS THESE
VICTORY HERE, AS THESE PROSECUTORS SECURE A VICTORY, IT
PROSECUTORS SECURE A VICTORY, IT WILL GIVE THIS INVESTIGATION
WILL GIVE THIS INVESTIGATION ADDED CREDIBILITY.
ADDED CREDIBILITY. MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING MUELLER
MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING MUELLER HAS GONE OFF ON A TANGENT HERE.
HAS GONE OFF ON A TANGENT HERE. HE WAS LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR
HE WAS LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN OUR
NOT RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION.
ELECTION. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO FEEL
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT THIS SORT OF ANGLE OF HIS
THAT THIS SORT OF ANGLE OF HIS INVESTIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY,
INVESTIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ORDER THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED
THE ORDER THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
TO DO. I THINK THAT THIS WILL GIVE HIM
I THINK THAT THIS WILL GIVE HIM ADDITIONAL CREDIBILITY.
ADDITIONAL CREDIBILITY. >> IF HE IS INNOCENT, WHY WOULD
>> IF HE IS INNOCENT, WHY WOULD ONE STORY KEEP CHANGING?
ONE STORY KEEP CHANGING? >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FRICTION BETWEEN THE PROSECUTORS
FRICTION BETWEEN THE PROSECUTORS AND THE JUDGE.
AND THE JUDGE. >> THAT'S BEEN A RE KURRING
>> THAT'S BEEN A RE KURRING THEME IN THIS TRIAL.
THEME IN THIS TRIAL. THIS JUDGE LIKES TO IMPOSE HIS
THIS JUDGE LIKES TO IMPOSE HIS WILL ON THE COURTROOM.
WILL ON THE COURTROOM. AND WHAT SOME OBSERVERS SAY IN A
AND WHAT SOME OBSERVERS SAY IN A VICIOUS MANNER.
VICIOUS MANNER. AS ONE OF OUR ANALYSTS SAID --
AS ONE OF OUR ANALYSTS SAID -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OFFICIOUS
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OFFICIOUS MEANS.
MEANS. >> IT MEANS OBNOXIOUSLY IMPOSING
>> IT MEANS OBNOXIOUSLY IMPOSING HIS AUTHORITY.
HIS AUTHORITY. AND I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF HIS
AND I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF HIS INTERFERENCE COMES WITH THE
INTERFERENCE COMES WITH THE PROSECUTORS.
PROSECUTORS. HE IS DIRECTING THEIR QUESTIONS,
HE IS DIRECTING THEIR QUESTIONS, CRITICIZING THEIR QUESTIONS,
CRITICIZING THEIR QUESTIONS, PREVENTING THEM FROM BRINGING
PREVENTING THEM FROM BRINGING IN, FOR EXAMPLE, PHOTOS OF THE
IN, FOR EXAMPLE, PHOTOS OF THE LUXURY GOODS MANAFORT PURCHASED.
LUXURY GOODS MANAFORT PURCHASED. SOME MAY ARGUE HE'S TRYING TO
SOME MAY ARGUE HE'S TRYING TO PROTECT THEM FROM AN APPEAL IN
PROTECT THEM FROM AN APPEAL IN THIS CASE AND TRYING TO MOVE THE
THIS CASE AND TRYING TO MOVE THE CASE ALONG.
CASE ALONG. SOMETIMES BY MOVING IT ALONG,
SOMETIMES BY MOVING IT ALONG, HE'S TAKING MORE TILE, BY
HE'S TAKING MORE TILE, BY REQUIRING SIDE BAR ARGUMENTS AND
REQUIRING SIDE BAR ARGUMENTS AND ASIDES BY THE JUDGE.
ASIDES BY THE JUDGE. IT'S BEEN KIND OF MADDENING AT
IT'S BEEN KIND OF MADDENING AT TIMES.
TIMES. >> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
>> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS. EVEN THOUGH MADDENING AT TIMES
EVEN THOUGH MADDENING AT TIMES IS RUDY GIULIANI.
IS RUDY GIULIANI. THERE'S A "WASHINGTON POST"
THERE'S A "WASHINGTON POST" REPORT OUT THAT SAYS PRESIDENT
REPORT OUT THAT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PUBLIC LAWYER RUDY
TRUMP'S PUBLIC LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI WILL SEND A LETTER THAT
GIULIANI WILL SEND A LETTER THAT WILL, QUOTE, LARGELY REBUFF
WILL, QUOTE, LARGELY REBUFF MUELLER'S REQUEST FOR A
MUELLER'S REQUEST FOR A PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW, ALTHOUGH
PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW, ALTHOUGH HE WON'T FORMERLY DECLINE.
HE WON'T FORMERLY DECLINE. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE TALKING
WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
ABOUT HERE? IS THIS RUDY GIULIANI JUST
IS THIS RUDY GIULIANI JUST TRYING TO RUN THE CLOCK AND
TRYING TO RUN THE CLOCK AND EXHAUST US?
EXHAUST US? I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MATTERS.
MATTERS. >> YES, IT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE
>> YES, IT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE -- I DON'T THINK IT
WHAT WE HAVE -- I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. WHAT DO WE HAVE LAIDLY FROM
WHAT DO WE HAVE LAIDLY FROM DONALD TRUMP?
DONALD TRUMP? WE HAVE HIS TWEETS.
WE HAVE HIS TWEETS. WHO WE KNOW FROM SEAN SPICER AND
WHO WE KNOW FROM SEAN SPICER AND THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE PRESS
THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY, THEY ARE OFFICIAL
SECRETARY, THEY ARE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS.
STATEMENTS. >> WHOUZ STATEMENTS.
>> WHOUZ STATEMENTS. >> THEY ARE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE
>> THEY ARE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT OF
STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
THE UNITED STATES. HE HAS ALREADY SAID AND
HE HAS ALREADY SAID AND ADMITTED, DESPITE THE FACT HE
ADMITTED, DESPITE THE FACT HE SAID THAT INITIAL MEETING WAS
SAID THAT INITIAL MEETING WAS ABOUT ADOPTIONS, WE NOW KNOW
ABOUT ADOPTIONS, WE NOW KNOW FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT WAS
FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT WAS ABOUT GETTING OPPOSITION
ABOUT GETTING OPPOSITION INFORMATION FROM A FOREIGN
INFORMATION FROM A FOREIGN ENTITY.
ENTITY. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. GIULIANI CAN SAY ALL THE LETTERS
GIULIANI CAN SAY ALL THE LETTERS HE WANTS TO MUELLER.
HE WANTS TO MUELLER. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FROM
ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FROM TRUMP'S MOUTH OF HIS OWN DOING
TRUMP'S MOUTH OF HIS OWN DOING THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON
THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON OR PERHAPS THERE WAS EVIDENCE.
OR PERHAPS THERE WAS EVIDENCE. >> YESTERDAY DON JR. TOLD LAURA
>> YESTERDAY DON JR. TOLD LAURA INGRAHAM IT WAS A BAIT AND
INGRAHAM IT WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH.
SWITCH. ONCE MEETING STARTED, THEY
ONCE MEETING STARTED, THEY DISCUSSED ADOPTION.
DISCUSSED ADOPTION. NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE. REMEMBER, IT WAS NEVER REALLY

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