
THANKS TO MARK BURNETT WE DON'T HAVE TO WATCH REALITY SHOWS
HAVE TO WATCH REALITY SHOWS ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING IN
ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING IN ONE.
ONE. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN "THE APPRENTICE"
THAT WHEN "THE APPRENTICE" PREMIERED, DONALD TRUMP WAS A
PREMIERED, DONALD TRUMP WAS A BANKRUPT BUNCH LINE IN THE NEW
BANKRUPT BUNCH LINE IN THE NEW YORK TABLOIDS, A GUY WHO GOT A
YORK TABLOIDS, A GUY WHO GOT A REAL ESTATE EMPIRE FROM DADDY
REAL ESTATE EMPIRE FROM DADDY AND MANAGED TO LOSE IT ALL UNTIL
AND MANAGED TO LOSE IT ALL UNTIL HE WAS CAST IN THE APPRENTICE BY
HE WAS CAST IN THE APPRENTICE BY THE PRODUCER OF SURVIVOR, ALL
THE PRODUCER OF SURVIVOR, ALL AROUND REALITY TV SAVANT MARK
AROUND REALITY TV SAVANT MARK BURNETT.
BURNETT. OTHERS SAW IN TRUMP A TATTERED
OTHERS SAW IN TRUMP A TATTERED CELEBRITY OF THE '80s BURNETT
CELEBRITY OF THE '80s BURNETT SAW CHARISMA, TO MAKE AMERICA
SAW CHARISMA, TO MAKE AMERICA BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS AN
BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS AN EXTRAORDINARILY RICH AND
EXTRAORDINARILY RICH AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, AN IMAGE
SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, AN IMAGE THAT PERSISTS TODAY.
THAT PERSISTS TODAY. THE AUTHOR OF THE PROFILE IS
THE AUTHOR OF THE PROFILE IS PATRICK ADAMS, IT'S A GREAT
PATRICK ADAMS, IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF JOURNALISM.
PIECE OF JOURNALISM. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> BURNETT IS LIKE DONALD TRUMP
>> BURNETT IS LIKE DONALD TRUMP IN MANY WAYS, IT STRIKES ME.
IN MANY WAYS, IT STRIKES ME. >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S A KIND OF SIMPLICITY.
THERE'S A KIND OF SIMPLICITY. THERE'S A CONFIDENCE IN YOUR
THERE'S A CONFIDENCE IN YOUR GUT.
GUT. HE'S WRITTEN A COUPLE OF BOOKS,
HE'S WRITTEN A COUPLE OF BOOKS, THEY'RE MEMOIRS.
THEY'RE MEMOIRS. DON'T WASTE TIME ON
DON'T WASTE TIME ON OVERPREPARATION, TRUST YOUR GUT.
OVERPREPARATION, TRUST YOUR GUT. LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCT THE.
LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCT THE. >> HE'S KIND OF A CONARTISTIST.
>> HE'S KIND OF A CONARTISTIST. THAT'S KIND OF HIS DEAL.
THAT'S KIND OF HIS DEAL. >> THIS IS HOW HE STARTED.
>> THIS IS HOW HE STARTED. HE WAS A BRITISH POWER TROOPER,
HE WAS A BRITISH POWER TROOPER, CAME HERE, WAS ACTUALLY -- CAME
CAME HERE, WAS ACTUALLY -- CAME TO THE U.S. WITHOUT A GREEN
TO THE U.S. WITHOUT A GREEN CARD.
CARD. >> HE WAS LITERALLY AN ILLEGAL
>> HE WAS LITERALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
IMMIGRANT. >> HE WAS.
>> HE WAS. AND HE COMES HERE ON A TOURIST
AND HE COMES HERE ON A TOURIST VISA, ENDS UP SELLING T-SHIRTS
VISA, ENDS UP SELLING T-SHIRTS ON THE BOARDWALK IN VENICE, AND
ON THE BOARDWALK IN VENICE, AND BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, HE SELLS
BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, HE SELLS THEM WHOLE SALE FOR 18, AND HE
THEM WHOLE SALE FOR 18, AND HE RESELLS US DONALD TRUMP AND
RESELLS US DONALD TRUMP AND TELLS US SOMETHING ELSE ALL
TELLS US SOMETHING ELSE ALL TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A
HOW THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A SOMEWHAT PREPOSTEROUS
SOMEWHAT PREPOSTEROUS UNDERTAKING, SOMEONE HAS A GREAT
UNDERTAKING, SOMEONE HAS A GREAT QUOTE.
QUOTE. THEY SAID HE HAD JUST GONE
THEY SAID HE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
THROUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BANKRUPTS, IT WAS LIKE MAKING
BANKRUPTS, IT WAS LIKE MAKING THE COURT JESTER THE KING.
THE COURT JESTER THE KING. >> THIS IS A WEIRD THING.
>> THIS IS A WEIRD THING. I TALKED TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
I TALKED TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. "THE APPRENTICE" WAS DELIVERED
"THE APPRENTICE" WAS DELIVERED WITH A WINK, THAT THE PEOPLE
WITH A WINK, THAT THE PEOPLE AROUND THE SHOW KNEW THAT TRUMP
AROUND THE SHOW KNEW THAT TRUMP WASN'T THIS BIG SUCCESS BUT THAT
WASN'T THIS BIG SUCCESS BUT THAT SOMEHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST
SOMEHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T GET THE JOKE.
DIDN'T GET THE JOKE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE?
>> DO YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE? >> I DON'T REALLY BUY IT.
>> I DON'T REALLY BUY IT. SO I WENT BACK AND WATCHED --
SO I WENT BACK AND WATCHED -- GOD, I WATCHED, YOU KNOW, TWO
GOD, I WATCHED, YOU KNOW, TWO DOZEN EPISODES OF "THE
DOZEN EPISODES OF "THE APPRENTICE."
APPRENTICE." I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING CAMPY.
CAMPY. THE WHOLE THING IS HE'S
THE WHOLE THING IS HE'S PRESENTED THIS MASTER OF THE
PRESENTED THIS MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT
UNIVERSE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT WAS THE WINNER BECOMES THE
WAS THE WINNER BECOMES THE APPRENTICE OF DONALD TRUMP, THE
APPRENTICE OF DONALD TRUMP, THE DREAM JOB OF A LIFETIME.
DREAM JOB OF A LIFETIME. >> BUT ALL THE PEOPLE YOU TALKED
>> BUT ALL THE PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO WHO ARE CLOSEST TO IT VIEW
TO WHO ARE CLOSEST TO IT VIEW THAT AS RIDICULOUS.
THAT AS RIDICULOUS. WHAT'S SO WEIRD ABOUT THIS IS
WHAT'S SO WEIRD ABOUT THIS IS WHAT THE SHOW IS PORTRAYING THIS
WHAT THE SHOW IS PORTRAYING THIS GUY IS A BRILLIANT BUSINESS
GUY IS A BRILLIANT BUSINESS MASTER AND LITERALLY EVERYONE AS
MASTER AND LITERALLY EVERYONE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL SAYS THIS GUY
FAR AS I CAN TELL SAYS THIS GUY IS LUDICROUS.
IS LUDICROUS. >> EVERYBODY EXCEPT BURNETT.
>> EVERYBODY EXCEPT BURNETT. THE RIDDLE FOR ME IS TO WHAT
THE RIDDLE FOR ME IS TO WHAT EXTENT DID BURNETT REALLY
EXTENT DID BURNETT REALLY BELIEVE IT?
BELIEVE IT? HE TELLS THIS STORY ABOUT BEING
HE TELLS THIS STORY ABOUT BEING THE YOUNG GUY ON THE BOARDWALK,
THE YOUNG GUY ON THE BOARDWALK, IMPLAUSIBLE STORY, BUT THE IDEA
IMPLAUSIBLE STORY, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT A ROLLER BLADER HAPPENS
IS THAT A ROLLER BLADER HAPPENS BUY AND HANDS HIM A COPY OF "THE
BUY AND HANDS HIM A COPY OF "THE ART OF THE DEAL" AND HE READS IT
ART OF THE DEAL" AND HE READS IT AND IT CHANGES HIS LIFE.
AND IT CHANGES HIS LIFE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO BELIEVE THE STORY.
BELIEVE THE STORY. I TALKED TO HIS WIFE AT THE TIME
I TALKED TO HIS WIFE AT THE TIME SAYING I DON'T REMEMBER READING
SAYING I DON'T REMEMBER READING THE BOOK.
THE BOOK. HE SAYS HE WAS INSPIRED BY TRUMP
HE SAYS HE WAS INSPIRED BY TRUMP TO BECOME A BUSINESSMAN HIMSELF.
TO BECOME A BUSINESSMAN HIMSELF. >> READING YO YOU ARE STORY MADE
>> READING YO YOU ARE STORY MADE ME FEEL LIKE REALLY OUR PROBLEM
ME FEEL LIKE REALLY OUR PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S DONALD TRUMPS ALL
IS THAT IT'S DONALD TRUMPS ALL THE WAY DOWN, THERE'S A CERTAIN
THE WAY DOWN, THERE'S A CERTAIN KIND OF LIKE SORT OF THE FER EL
KIND OF LIKE SORT OF THE FER EL SALES PERSON, THE CONARTIST,
SALES PERSON, THE CONARTIST, THAT ALMOST IS KIND OF AN
THAT ALMOST IS KIND OF AN AMERICAN ICON, NO ONE WENT BROKE
AMERICAN ICON, NO ONE WENT BROKE UNDERSTOOD -- THE PT BARNUM
UNDERSTOOD -- THE PT BARNUM QUOTE.
QUOTE. TRUMP IS THE MOST EXTREME
TRUMP IS THE MOST EXTREME VERSION WE HAVE OF THAT.
VERSION WE HAVE OF THAT. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND LOOK, BURNETT SAID AT THE
AND LOOK, BURNETT SAID AT THE TIME "THE APPRENTICE" CAME OUT,
TIME "THE APPRENTICE" CAME OUT, HE TALKED ABOUT HIM IN THESE
HE TALKED ABOUT HIM IN THESE TERMS.
TERMS. HE MADE "SURVIVOR," ANY
HE MADE "SURVIVOR," ANY INTERACTION IN LIFE IT'S YOU AND
INTERACTION IN LIFE IT'S YOU AND ME FACING OFF AGAINST A TABLE.
ME FACING OFF AGAINST A TABLE. ONE OF US IS GOING TO WIN AND
ONE OF US IS GOING TO WIN AND ONE OF US IS GOING TO LOSE.
ONE OF US IS GOING TO LOSE. THAT'S GOVERNMENT, FAMILY,
THAT'S GOVERNMENT, FAMILY, DAY-TO-DAY LIFE AND BUSINESS.
DAY-TO-DAY LIFE AND BUSINESS. >> THERE'S NO ONE IN THAT
>> THERE'S NO ONE IN THAT ARTICLE AROUND THE SHOW WHO HAS
ARTICLE AROUND THE SHOW WHO HAS ANY DOUBT THAT BUT FOR THE
ANY DOUBT THAT BUT FOR THE APPRENTICE, DONALD TRUMP IS
APPRENTICE, DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> SOMETHING THEY'VE ALL SAID.
>> SOMETHING THEY'VE ALL SAID. >> ALL OF THEM.
>> ALL OF THEM. >> A LOT OF THEM TOSS AND TURN
>> A LOT OF THEM TOSS AND TURN AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT THIS.
AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT THIS. >> WHAT DID WE DO?
>> WHAT DID WE DO? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE
THIS IS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE PRODUCERS ON THE SHOW, EDITORS
PRODUCERS ON THE SHOW, EDITORS ON THE SHOW, PEOPLE INVOLVED IN
ON THE SHOW, PEOPLE INVOLVED IN VARIOUS OTHER CAPACITIES.
VARIOUS OTHER CAPACITIES. BURNETT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY
BURNETT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO DOESN'T DO ANY OF
PERSON WHO DOESN'T DO ANY OF THIS SOUL SEARCHING.
THIS SOUL SEARCHING. >> DO YOU THINK -- THERE'S A
>> DO YOU THINK -- THERE'S A WHOLE PART IN THERE ABOUT THE
WHOLE PART IN THERE ABOUT THE SORT OF TRUMP TAPES, THERE'S GOT
SORT OF TRUMP TAPES, THERE'S GOT TO BE LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
TO BE LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS, LITERALLY OF THE GUY.
HOURS, LITERALLY OF THE GUY. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
>> THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE ALLEGED HE SAID RACIAL
HAVE ALLEGED HE SAID RACIAL EPITHETS, OTHER THINGS ON THERE.
EPITHETS, OTHER THINGS ON THERE. THE BURNETT AT MGM SAID WE CAN'T
THE BURNETT AT MGM SAID WE CAN'T GIVE IT OVER, LEGALLY BOUND.
GIVE IT OVER, LEGALLY BOUND. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF THIS VAULT?
IDEA OF THIS VAULT? >> WE KNOW IT EXISTS.
>> WE KNOW IT EXISTS. WHEN THEY MADE THE SHOW, OVER 14
WHEN THEY MADE THE SHOW, OVER 14 SEASONS WITH TRUMP, ACCORDING TO
SEASONS WITH TRUMP, ACCORDING TO BURNETT THEY WOULD SHOOT ROUGHLY
BURNETT THEY WOULD SHOOT ROUGHLY 300 HOURS OF FOOTAGE FOR EVERY
300 HOURS OF FOOTAGE FOR EVERY HOUR THEY AIRED.
HOUR THEY AIRED. THERE'S THIS HUGE, VAST CACHE OF
THERE'S THIS HUGE, VAST CACHE OF MATERIAL.
MATERIAL. MGM AND BURNETT SAY THEY CAN'T
MGM AND BURNETT SAY THEY CAN'T TURN THAT OVER.
TURN THAT OVER. I THINK THIS IS A BIT OF A SIDE
I THINK THIS IS A BIT OF A SIDE SHOW.
SHOW. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT -- LOOK, I
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT -- LOOK, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF
THINK THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL IN WHICH TRUMP CLEARLY
MATERIAL IN WHICH TRUMP CLEARLY SAYS AWFUL THINGS ABOUT WOMEN.
SAYS AWFUL THINGS ABOUT WOMEN. I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TOLD ME HE DID AND TOLD ME THIS
TOLD ME HE DID AND TOLD ME THIS ON THE RECORD.
ON THE RECORD. >> WE'VE HEARD THAT.
>> WE'VE HEARD THAT. >> WE'VE HEARD THAT.
>> WE'VE HEARD THAT. THE NOTION THAT THERE MIGHT BE
THE NOTION THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING -- SO THIS QUESTION OF
SOMETHING -- SO THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE'S A TAPE IN WHICH
WHETHER THERE'S A TAPE IN WHICH HE SAYS THE "N" WORD.
HE SAYS THE "N" WORD. A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID
A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY'VE HEARD IT.
THEY'VE HEARD IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID I
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID I WOULD KNOW IF THERE WAS ONE.
WOULD KNOW IF THERE WAS ONE. I HATE TRUMP, I WOULD BE THE
I HATE TRUMP, I WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU, THERE
FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU, THERE ISN'T ONE.
ISN'T ONE. >> THERE'S ALWAYS THIS DESIRE
>> THERE'S ALWAYS THIS DESIRE FOR THE SILVER BULLET TO SLAY
FOR THE SILVER BULLET TO SLAY THE MONSTER.
THE MONSTER. THE VAULT IS ONE OF THOSE IDEAS.
THE VAULT IS ONE OF THOSE IDEAS. >> THE CRAZY THING -- THE
>> THE CRAZY THING -- THE ECONOMIST DID THIS AMAZING POLL,
ECONOMIST DID THIS AMAZING POLL, THEY ASKED PEOPLE HOW THEY WOULD
THEY ASKED PEOPLE HOW THEY WOULD RESPOND.
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