Courtroom Surprise: Robert Mueller Grand Jury 'Continuing Robustly' | Rachel Maddow

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>>> TODAY IN FEDERAL COURT IN
>>> TODAY IN FEDERAL COURT IN WASHINGTON, D.C., LAWYERS FOR
WASHINGTON, D.C., LAWYERS FOR THE REPORTERS COMMITTEE FREEDOM
THE REPORTERS COMMITTEE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, THEY WERE DOING
OF THE PRESS, THEY WERE DOING GREAT IN A HEARING BEFORE A
GREAT IN A HEARING BEFORE A FEDERAL JUDGE IN WHICH THEY WERE
FEDERAL JUDGE IN WHICH THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF
TRYING TO GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF UNSEALED FROM ONE OF THE
STUFF UNSEALED FROM ONE OF THE ONGOING ROBERT MUELLER CASES.
ONGOING ROBERT MUELLER CASES. THINGS WERE GOING GREAT.
THINGS WERE GOING GREAT. THEY'RE SORT OF GETTING WHAT
THEY'RE SORT OF GETTING WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF THIS CASE.
THEY WANT OUT OF THIS CASE. THEY'RE GETTING STUFF
THEY'RE GETTING STUFF UNREDACTED.
UNREDACTED. THEY'RE GETTING STUFF UNSEALED.
THEY'RE GETTING STUFF UNSEALED. AND AT ONE POINT TODAY THEY'RE
AND AT ONE POINT TODAY THEY'RE SORT OF GETTING WHAT I THINK
SORT OF GETTING WHAT I THINK THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE THE KILL
THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE THE KILL SHOT IN THEIR CASE, WHERE THEY
SHOT IN THEIR CASE, WHERE THEY WOULD POINT OUT TO THE JUDGE
WOULD POINT OUT TO THE JUDGE THAT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN ARGUING
THAT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN ARGUING FOR ALL THIS STUFF TO BE
FOR ALL THIS STUFF TO BE UNSEALED ALL ALONG.
UNSEALED ALL ALONG. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ALL
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ALL THESE REDACTIONS UNREDACTED ALL
THESE REDACTIONS UNREDACTED ALL ALONG.
ALONG. BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO POINT
BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO POINT OUT TO THE JUDGE TODAY, NOW
OUT TO THE JUDGE TODAY, NOW ROBERT MUELLER IS DONE.
ROBERT MUELLER IS DONE. THE INVESTIGATION'S OVER.
THE INVESTIGATION'S OVER. SO CLEARLY, WE SHOULD -- AND THE
SO CLEARLY, WE SHOULD -- AND THE JUDGE BASICALLY JUMPED IN AND
JUDGE BASICALLY JUMPED IN AND SAID NOT SO FAST.
SAID NOT SO FAST. THE LEGAL VERSION OF THAT
THE LEGAL VERSION OF THAT WITHOUT THE DRAMA.
WITHOUT THE DRAMA. BUT THE JUDGE TODAY IN THIS
BUT THE JUDGE TODAY IN THIS HEARING SURPRISED, REVEALED THAT
HEARING SURPRISED, REVEALED THAT IN FACT THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT
IN FACT THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER.
OVER. THE MUELLER GRAND JURY IS STILL
THE MUELLER GRAND JURY IS STILL AT WORK ON ITS INVESTIGATION.
AT WORK ON ITS INVESTIGATION. IN HER WORDS, THE GRAND JURY'S
IN HER WORDS, THE GRAND JURY'S INVESTIGATION IS, QUOTE,
INVESTIGATION IS, QUOTE, CONTINUING ROBUSTLY, WHICH IS
CONTINUING ROBUSTLY, WHICH IS BAD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
BAD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT
TRYING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE UNSEALED BECAUSE IT'S
THIS CASE UNSEALED BECAUSE IT'S APPARENTLY AN ONGOING
APPARENTLY AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BUT IT'S ALSO A BIG SURPRISE AS
BUT IT'S ALSO A BIG SURPRISE AS TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING ON
TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING ON WITH THE WORK OF THE SPECIAL
WITH THE WORK OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE.
COUNSEL'S OFFICE. JOINING US NOW IS DARREN
JOINING US NOW IS DARREN SAMUELSOHN.
SAMUELSOHN. HE IS A SENIOR REPORTER AT
HE IS A SENIOR REPORTER AT POLITICO WHO WAS IN THE
POLITICO WHO WAS IN THE COURTROOM TODAY FOR THIS LITTLE
COURTROOM TODAY FOR THIS LITTLE SURPRISE.
SURPRISE. MR. SAMUELSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH
MR. SAMUELSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.
>> THANK YOU, RACHEL. >> LET ME START WITH A LOGISTICS
>> LET ME START WITH A LOGISTICS QUESTION.
QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE ONLY GOT THE
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE ONLY GOT THE PUBLIC TRANSCRIPT OF WHAT
PUBLIC TRANSCRIPT OF WHAT HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MUST HAVE
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MUST HAVE STARTED SOME SORT OF SEALED
STARTED SOME SORT OF SEALED PROCEEDING TODAY, AND THEN LATER
PROCEEDING TODAY, AND THEN LATER THEY OPENED THE DOORS SO YOU AND
THEY OPENED THE DOORS SO YOU AND OTHER REPORTERS AND PEOPLE FROM
OTHER REPORTERS AND PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC COULD COVER SORT OF
THE PUBLIC COULD COVER SORT OF THE SECOND PART OF THIS?
THE SECOND PART OF THIS? IS THAT HOW THIS WENT DOWN?
IS THAT HOW THIS WENT DOWN? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THIS MORNING, I SHOWED UP AT
SO THIS MORNING, I SHOWED UP AT THE COURTHOUSE NOT EVEN KNOWING
THE COURTHOUSE NOT EVEN KNOWING IF THE DOORS WOULD BE OPEN AND
IF THE DOORS WOULD BE OPEN AND I'D BE ABLE TO GO IN.
I'D BE ABLE TO GO IN. I REALLY WAS THERE PRIMARILY
I REALLY WAS THERE PRIMARILY JUST TO SEE WHO WOULD BE
JUST TO SEE WHO WOULD BE REPRESENTING THE SPECIAL
REPRESENTING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, WHO WOULD BE GOING IN
COUNSEL, WHO WOULD BE GOING IN THE DOORS, KNOWING THAT THE
THE DOORS, KNOWING THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAD ENDED A COUPLE
INVESTIGATION HAD ENDED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, AND OBVIOUSLY
OF DAYS AGO, AND OBVIOUSLY LOOKING TO SEE WHO THE D.C. U.S.
LOOKING TO SEE WHO THE D.C. U.S. ATTORNEYS WOULD BE AND SIMPLY
ATTORNEYS WOULD BE AND SIMPLY LAY EYES ON THE SORT OF NEW
LAY EYES ON THE SORT OF NEW WORLD POST-ROBERT MUELLER.
WORLD POST-ROBERT MUELLER. THE DOORS WERE OPENED AFTER A
THE DOORS WERE OPENED AFTER A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF SEALED
COUPLE OF MINUTES OF SEALED PROCEEDINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET A
PROCEEDINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE.
CHANCE TO SEE. TED BOUTROS, THE LAWYER YOU WERE
TED BOUTROS, THE LAWYER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WAS STANDING
TALKING ABOUT, WAS STANDING OUTSIDE WITH THE REPORTERS
OUTSIDE WITH THE REPORTERS WAITING TO GO IN.
WAITING TO GO IN. THERE WAS A BRIEF INTERMISSION
THERE WAS A BRIEF INTERMISSION AND WE WERE BROUGHT INTO THE
AND WE WERE BROUGHT INTO THE COURTROOM.
COURTROOM. AND THAT IS WHEN THE ARGUMENTS
AND THAT IS WHEN THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU JUST READ THE
THAT YOU JUST READ THE TRANSCRIPT FROM PLAYED OUT, I
TRANSCRIPT FROM PLAYED OUT, I WOULD SAY FOR ABOUT 15, 20
WOULD SAY FOR ABOUT 15, 20 MINUTES.
MINUTES. >> SO THERE IS THIS STARTLING
>> SO THERE IS THIS STARTLING MOMENT IN COURT THAT I JUST
MOMENT IN COURT THAT I JUST RECOUNTED WHERE WE LEARNED THAT
RECOUNTED WHERE WE LEARNED THAT THE GRAND JURY THAT MUELLER
THE GRAND JURY THAT MUELLER CONVENED FOR HIS INVESTIGATION
CONVENED FOR HIS INVESTIGATION IS CONTINUING ROBUSTLY.
IS CONTINUING ROBUSTLY. OBVIOUSLY, I'M COVERING THAT
OBVIOUSLY, I'M COVERING THAT TONIGHT, BECAUSE THAT CAME AS A
TONIGHT, BECAUSE THAT CAME AS A SURPRISE TO ME AND TO EVERYBODY
SURPRISE TO ME AND TO EVERYBODY HERE.
HERE. YOU MENTIONED THAT TED BOUTROS
YOU MENTIONED THAT TED BOUTROS WAS NOT IN THERE FOR THE SEALED
WAS NOT IN THERE FOR THE SEALED PART OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
PART OF THE PROCEEDINGS. IT SORT OF SEEMS LIKE HE AND THE
IT SORT OF SEEMS LIKE HE AND THE OTHER LAWYERS ARGUING FOR THIS
OTHER LAWYERS ARGUING FOR THIS CASE TO BE UNSEALED, IT SEEMS
CASE TO BE UNSEALED, IT SEEMS THEY HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT
THEY HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT EITHER UNTIL THE JUDGE BASICALLY
EITHER UNTIL THE JUDGE BASICALLY DIRECTED THE PROSECUTOR TO SAY
DIRECTED THE PROSECUTOR TO SAY SO IN OPEN COURT.
SO IN OPEN COURT. THAT FAIR?
THAT FAIR? >> YEAH, THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.
>> YEAH, THAT'S FAIR TO SAY. I THINK WE WERE ALL WONDERING IF
I THINK WE WERE ALL WONDERING IF THIS QUESTION WOULD BE COMING UP
THIS QUESTION WOULD BE COMING UP AND HOW THE ANSWER WOULD PLAY
AND HOW THE ANSWER WOULD PLAY OUT.
OUT. OBVIOUSLY, KNOWING THE ROBERT
OBVIOUSLY, KNOWING THE ROBERT MUELLER HAD SUPPOSEDLY FINISHED
MUELLER HAD SUPPOSEDLY FINISHED FOUR DAYS AGO, THAT HE WAS TOLD
FOUR DAYS AGO, THAT HE WAS TOLD PENCILS UP BY BILL BARR, AND
PENCILS UP BY BILL BARR, AND BILL BARR RELEASES THE SUMMARY
BILL BARR RELEASES THE SUMMARY THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN PORING OVER
THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN PORING OVER HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF
HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
DAYS. SO IT WAS SHOCK NOT ONLY TO TED
SO IT WAS SHOCK NOT ONLY TO TED BOUTROS, BUT TO THE REPORTERS IN
BOUTROS, BUT TO THE REPORTERS IN THE ROOM.
THE ROOM. CERTAINLY MY EARS PERKED UP.
CERTAINLY MY EARS PERKED UP. I THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING OUT AND
I THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING OUT AND IMMEDIATELY FILING THAT FIRST
IMMEDIATELY FILING THAT FIRST STORY, BUT WAITED FOR THE
STORY, BUT WAITED FOR THE PROCEEDINGS TO END TO SEE HOW IT
PROCEEDINGS TO END TO SEE HOW IT WOULD PLAY OUT AND HOW
WOULD PLAY OUT AND HOW EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD GO DOWN.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD GO DOWN. IT WAS ABOUT FIVE OR TEN MORE
IT WAS ABOUT FIVE OR TEN MORE MINUTES OF QUESTIONING BETWEEN
MINUTES OF QUESTIONING BETWEEN THE JUDGE AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY
THE JUDGE AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY ASKING HIM A COUPLE MORE
ASKING HIM A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUANCES OF
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUANCES OF THE GRAND JURY PROCEEDINGS.
THE GRAND JURY PROCEEDINGS. AND THEN IT WAS ADJOURNED.
AND THEN IT WAS ADJOURNED. SHE BROUGHT TED BOUTROS BACK UP
SHE BROUGHT TED BOUTROS BACK UP ONE MORE TIME IF HE WANTED TO DO
ONE MORE TIME IF HE WANTED TO DO ANY COUNTER ARGUMENTS.
ANY COUNTER ARGUMENTS. AND SHE BASICALLY TOLD HIM, YOU
AND SHE BASICALLY TOLD HIM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO STOP.
MIGHT WANT TO STOP. YOU'VE DONE PRETTY GOOD SO FAR.
YOU'VE DONE PRETTY GOOD SO FAR. YOU MIGHT WANT TO END THIS THING
YOU MIGHT WANT TO END THIS THING RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. BOUTROS RECOGNIZED HE WAS BEING
BOUTROS RECOGNIZED HE WAS BEING GIVEN A PRETTY STRONG HINT.
GIVEN A PRETTY STRONG HINT. A 30-DAY WINDOW TO SEE IF JUDGE
A 30-DAY WINDOW TO SEE IF JUDGE BERYL HOWELL WILL RELEASE THE
BERYL HOWELL WILL RELEASE THE NAME OF THE COMPANY WE'VE BEEN
NAME OF THE COMPANY WE'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT FOR SO LONG.
WONDERING ABOUT FOR SO LONG. >> AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER
>> AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WE DID GET THIS
TO THIS, BUT WE DID GET THIS DEFINITIVE STATEMENT TODAY FROM
DEFINITIVE STATEMENT TODAY FROM THE PROSECUTORS AND FROM THE
THE PROSECUTORS AND FROM THE JUDGE THAT THE GRAND JURY
JUDGE THAT THE GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING, THAT
INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING, THAT THE GRAND JURY IS ALIVE AND
THE GRAND JURY IS ALIVE AND KICKING.
KICKING. WE DIDN'T GET ANY INDICATION OF
WE DIDN'T GET ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, RIGHT?
WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, RIGHT? >> WE DID NOT GET ANY INDICATION
>> WE DID NOT GET ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
OF WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING THE GRAND JURY CLOSELY, YOU
THE GRAND JURY CLOSELY, YOU KNOW.
KNOW. YOUR NETWORK AND OTHER NETWORKS
YOUR NETWORK AND OTHER NETWORKS HAVE HAD PEOPLE STAKED OUTSIDE
HAVE HAD PEOPLE STAKED OUTSIDE THAT COURTROOM FOR A LONG TIME,
THAT COURTROOM FOR A LONG TIME, WATCHING AND SEEING THAT THERE
WATCHING AND SEEING THAT THERE HAD BEEN SORT OF A DARK PERIOD
HAD BEEN SORT OF A DARK PERIOD FOR A COUPLE OF WEEK NEWS WHERE
FOR A COUPLE OF WEEK NEWS WHERE THE GRAND JURY HADN'T MET.
THE GRAND JURY HADN'T MET. I DON'T THINK SINCE ROGER STONE
I DON'T THINK SINCE ROGER STONE BACK AT THE END OF JANUARY.
BACK AT THE END OF JANUARY. IT HAD APPEARED THAT THE GRAND
IT HAD APPEARED THAT THE GRAND JURY WAS FINISHED FOR ALL
JURY WAS FINISHED FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
PRACTICAL PURPOSES. LEARNING TODAY IT WASN'T JUST
LEARNING TODAY IT WASN'T JUST JUDGE HOWELL, BUT IT WAS THE
JUDGE HOWELL, BUT IT WAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE INDICATING THAT THIS GRAND JURY
INDICATING THAT THIS GRAND JURY PROCEEDING IS CONTINUING
PROCEEDING IS CONTINUING ROBUSTLY.
ROBUSTLY. AND THE USE OF THE WORLD "ROBUST
AND THE USE OF THE WORLD "ROBUST "ROBUSTLY" AS I TALKED TO SOME
"ROBUSTLY" AS I TALKED TO SOME OTHER PEOPLE SOUNDED PURPOSEFUL,
OTHER PEOPLE SOUNDED PURPOSEFUL, THAT IT INDICATED INDEED THERE
THAT IT INDICATED INDEED THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ARE THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF SPECULATION
I'VE HEARD A LOT OF SPECULATION TODAY WHAT THEY COULD BE.
TODAY WHAT THEY COULD BE. AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD
AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO MAYBE HAD
THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO MAYBE HAD BEEN BREATHING EASY THINKING
BEEN BREATHING EASY THINKING THAT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION
THAT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WAS OVER MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE, AND
WAS OVER MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE, AND CONTINUING -- THAT ROBERT
CONTINUING -- THAT ROBERT MUELLER HANDED THINGS OFF TO
MUELLER HANDED THINGS OFF TO OTHER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.
OTHER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS. OBVIOUSLY YOU TALKED ABOUT
OBVIOUSLY YOU TALKED ABOUT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK,
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, POSSIBLE IN VIRGINIA, AND IT
POSSIBLE IN VIRGINIA, AND IT SEEMS LIKE POSSIBLE HERE IN
SEEMS LIKE POSSIBLE HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
WASHINGTON, D.C. THERE ARE ACTIVE GRAND JURIES
THERE ARE ACTIVE GRAND JURIES THAT ARE LOOKING INTO THINGS,
THAT ARE LOOKING INTO THINGS, AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE ROBERT
AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE ROBERT MUELLER, HE DID HAVE TO TAKE THE
MUELLER, HE DID HAVE TO TAKE THE PENCIL UP AND HAND THINGS OVER.
PENCIL UP AND HAND THINGS OVER. BUT THERE COULD STILL BE
BUT THERE COULD STILL BE INDICTMENTS TO COME IN THE
INDICTMENTS TO COME IN THE FUTURE.
FUTURE. >> DARREN SAMUELSOHN, SENIOR
>> DARREN SAMUELSOHN, SENIOR REPORTER OF POLITICO.COM.
REPORTER OF POLITICO.COM. DARREN, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT
DARREN, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT THE THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY OF
THE THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY OF YOUR POSE WHILE YOU'RE COVERING
YOUR POSE WHILE YOU'RE COVERING THIS COMPENSATED STADIUM.
THIS COMPENSATED STADIUM. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE ON

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