
>> GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN FROM OUR NBC NEWS HEADQUARTERS HERE
OUR NBC NEWS HEADQUARTERS HERE IN NEW YORK.
IN NEW YORK. DAY 798 OF THE TRUMP
DAY 798 OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, AND AS WE ALL
ADMINISTRATION, AND AS WE ALL CONTINUE TO REACT TO A FOUR-PAGE
CONTINUE TO REACT TO A FOUR-PAGE LETTER SUMMARIZEING THE MUELLER
LETTER SUMMARIZEING THE MUELLER REPORT AND NOT THE ACTUAL
REPORT AND NOT THE ACTUAL MUELLER REPORT, NOT YET, IT'S
MUELLER REPORT, NOT YET, IT'S CLEAR THE PRESIDENT HAS
CLEAR THE PRESIDENT HAS INTERPRETED THE LETTER FROM HIS
INTERPRETED THE LETTER FROM HIS OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL AS HIS
OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL AS HIS VINDICATION, AND HE MADE IT THE
VINDICATION, AND HE MADE IT THE THEME OF HIS RALLY IN GRAND
THEME OF HIS RALLY IN GRAND RAPIDS MICHIGAN TONIGHT.
RAPIDS MICHIGAN TONIGHT. >> THE RUSSIA HOAX IS FINALLY
>> THE RUSSIA HOAX IS FINALLY DEAD.
DEAD. ROBERT MUELLER WAS A GOD TO THE
ROBERT MUELLER WAS A GOD TO THE DEMOCRATS, WAS A GOD TO THEM
DEMOCRATS, WAS A GOD TO THEM UNTIL HE SAID THERE WAS NO
UNTIL HE SAID THERE WAS NO COLLUSION.
COLLUSION. THE CRAZY ATTEMPT BY THE
THE CRAZY ATTEMPT BY THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AND THE FAKE NEWS
DEMOCRAT PARTY AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA RIGHT BACK THERE AND THE
MEDIA RIGHT BACK THERE AND THE DEEP STATE TO OVERTURN THE
DEEP STATE TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2016 ELECTION
RESULTS OF THE 2016 ELECTION HAVE FAILED.
HAVE FAILED. THE RUSSIA WITCH HUNT WAS A PLAN
THE RUSSIA WITCH HUNT WAS A PLAN BY THOSE WHO LOST THE ELECTION
BY THOSE WHO LOST THE ELECTION TO TRY AND ILLEGALLY REGAIN
TO TRY AND ILLEGALLY REGAIN POWER BY FRAMING INNOCENT
POWER BY FRAMING INNOCENT AMERICANS, MANY OF THEM.
AMERICANS, MANY OF THEM. THEY SUFFERED WITH AN ELABORATE
THEY SUFFERED WITH AN ELABORATE HOAX.
HOAX. >> ONE REPORTED DETAIL ABOUT THE
>> ONE REPORTED DETAIL ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT HAS EMERGED.
MUELLER REPORT HAS EMERGED. TODAY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" NBC
TODAY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" NBC NEWS AND "THE WASHINGTON POST"
NEWS AND "THE WASHINGTON POST" SEPARATELY REPORTED THAT THE
SEPARATELY REPORTED THAT THE DOCUMENT IS MORE THAN 300 PAGES.
DOCUMENT IS MORE THAN 300 PAGES. TWO PEOPLE ON FOX NEWS HAVE SAID
TWO PEOPLE ON FOX NEWS HAVE SAID IT'S 700 PAGES, AND TO BE FAIR,
IT'S 700 PAGES, AND TO BE FAIR, THE CNN WEBSITE HAS A REPORT
THE CNN WEBSITE HAS A REPORT THAT IT'S 1,000 PAGES.
THAT IT'S 1,000 PAGES. EITHER WAY, IT'S LONGER THAN THE
EITHER WAY, IT'S LONGER THAN THE FOUR-PAGE SUMMERY EVERYONE SO
FOUR-PAGE SUMMERY EVERYONE SO FAR IS REACTING TO.
FAR IS REACTING TO. THE TIMES WRITES THE SIZE OF THE
THE TIMES WRITES THE SIZE OF THE REPORT SUGGESTS MR. MUELLER WENT
REPORT SUGGESTS MR. MUELLER WENT WELL BEYOND THE BARE BONES
WELL BEYOND THE BARE BONES SUMMERY REQUIRED BY JUSTICE
SUMMERY REQUIRED BY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REGULATION AND
DEPARTMENT REGULATION AND DETAILED HIS CONCLUSIONS AT
DETAILED HIS CONCLUSIONS AT LENGTH AND IT RAISES QUESTIONS
LENGTH AND IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT MR. BARR MIGHT HAVE
ABOUT WHAT MR. BARR MIGHT HAVE LEFT OUT.
LEFT OUT. OUR OWN JULIA ANIESLY
OUR OWN JULIA ANIESLY SUGGESTIONS HE PROVIDED EVIDENCE
SUGGESTIONS HE PROVIDED EVIDENCE TO BACKUP CONCLUSIONS RAISING
TO BACKUP CONCLUSIONS RAISING QUESTIONS HOW MUCH OF THAT
QUESTIONS HOW MUCH OF THAT EVIDENCE THE PUBLIC WILL SEE.
EVIDENCE THE PUBLIC WILL SEE. HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE TOLD BARR
HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE TOLD BARR THEY WANT THE REPORT BY NEXT
THEY WANT THE REPORT BY NEXT TUESDAY BUT BARR HAS TOLD THE
TUESDAY BUT BARR HAS TOLD THE HOUSE JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN
HOUSE JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN DEMOCRAT OF NEW YORK THAT HE IS
DEMOCRAT OF NEW YORK THAT HE IS UNLIKELY TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT
UNLIKELY TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.
DEADLINE. KASIE HUNT REPORTS THAT THE
KASIE HUNT REPORTS THAT THE DELAY COULD RESULT IN A MAJOR
DELAY COULD RESULT IN A MAJOR CONFROMNM
CONFROMNM CONFRONTATION BETWEEN DEMOCRATS
CONFRONTATION BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. EARLIER TODAY NANCY PELOSI
EARLIER TODAY NANCY PELOSI CRITICIZED BARR'S HANDLING OF
CRITICIZED BARR'S HANDLING OF THE MUELLER REPORT.
THE MUELLER REPORT. >> NO THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY
>> NO THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL.
GENERAL. WE DO NOT NEED YOUR INTERATION
WE DO NOT NEED YOUR INTERATION INTERPRETATION
INTERPRETATION INTERPRETATION.
INTERPRETATION. SHOW US THE REPORT AND WE CAN
SHOW US THE REPORT AND WE CAN DRAW OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
DRAW OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. WE DON'T NEED YOU INTERPRETING
WE DON'T NEED YOU INTERPRETING FOR US.
FOR US. IT WAS CONDESCENDING AND
IT WAS CONDESCENDING AND ARROGANT AND WASN'T THE RIGHT
ARROGANT AND WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THING TO DO. >> AND AGAIN, IN THE MEANTIME,
>> AND AGAIN, IN THE MEANTIME, IN THIS PERIOD BEFORE WE ARE
IN THIS PERIOD BEFORE WE ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED
ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO SEE OF THE MUELLER REPORT,
TO SEE OF THE MUELLER REPORT, REPUBLICANS HAVE LAUNCHED AN
REPUBLICANS HAVE LAUNCHED AN EFFORT TO UNSEAT HOUSE
EFFORT TO UNSEAT HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF, DEMOCRAT OF
ADAM SCHIFF, DEMOCRAT OF CALIFORNIA TO GET HIM TO RESIGN.
CALIFORNIA TO GET HIM TO RESIGN. AT HIS RALLY TONIGHT, THE
AT HIS RALLY TONIGHT, THE PRESIDENT CALLED SCHIFF A PENCIL
PRESIDENT CALLED SCHIFF A PENCIL NECK FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH.
NECK FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH. TODAY AT A COMMITTEE HEARING IT
TODAY AT A COMMITTEE HEARING IT BUST OUT WHEN THE REPUBLICAN
BUST OUT WHEN THE REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN SAID THIS TO CHAIRMAN
CHAIRMAN SAID THIS TO CHAIRMAN SCHIFF.
SCHIFF. >> YOU'VE BEEN AT THE CENTER
>> YOU'VE BEEN AT THE CENTER CLAIMING AMONG OTHER THINGS THE
CLAIMING AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE NO FAITH IN YOUR ABILITY
WE HAVE NO FAITH IN YOUR ABILITY TO DISCHARGE YOUR DUTIES WITH
TO DISCHARGE YOUR DUTIES WITH YOUR RESOURCEBILITY AND URGE
YOUR RESOURCEBILITY AND URGE YOUR IMMEDIATE RESIGNATION.
YOUR IMMEDIATE RESIGNATION. >> MY COLLEAGUES MAY THINK IT'S
>> MY COLLEAGUES MAY THINK IT'S OKAY THAT THE RUSSIANS OFFERED
OKAY THAT THE RUSSIANS OFFERED DIRT ON A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE
DIRT ON A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT AS PART OF WHAT
FOR PRESIDENT AS PART OF WHAT WAS DESCRIBED AS THE RUSSIAN
WAS DESCRIBED AS THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S EFFORT TO HELP THE
GOVERNMENT'S EFFORT TO HELP THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
TRUMP CAMPAIGN. YOU MIGHT THINK THAT'S OKAY.
YOU MIGHT THINK THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T.
I DON'T. >> SPECULATION ABOUT POSSIBLE
>> SPECULATION ABOUT POSSIBLE PARDONS IS BACK IN THE NEWS
PARDONS IS BACK IN THE NEWS TONIGHT AFTER THE PRESIDENT
TONIGHT AFTER THE PRESIDENT DECLINED TO SHUT IT DOWN DURING
DECLINED TO SHUT IT DOWN DURING AN INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT.
AN INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT. FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR
FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR MICHAEL FLYNN, THE FORMER
MICHAEL FLYNN, THE FORMER CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT SEEMED TO BE THE NAMES MOST
SEEMED TO BE THE NAMES MOST OFTEN MENTIONED.
OFTEN MENTIONED. TONIGHT, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
TONIGHT, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTING TRUMP HAS PRIVATELY
REPORTING TRUMP HAS PRIVATELY EXPRESSED SYMPATHY FOR MANAFORT
EXPRESSED SYMPATHY FOR MANAFORT SENTENCED TO SEVEN YEARS IN
SENTENCED TO SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON.
PRISON. ACCORDING TO THE A.P. SOME OF
ACCORDING TO THE A.P. SOME OF TRUMP'S CLOSEST ADVISORS AND GOP
TRUMP'S CLOSEST ADVISORS AND GOP ALLIES ARE ADVISING AGAINST
ALLIES ARE ADVISING AGAINST PARDONS BECAUSE OF THE SHEER
PARDONS BECAUSE OF THE SHEER POLITICAL COST.
POLITICAL COST. ON ANOTHER FRONT TODAY, JARED
ON ANOTHER FRONT TODAY, JARED KUSHNER SHOWED UP IN CONGRESS
KUSHNER SHOWED UP IN CONGRESS AND NBC NEWS REPORTING TRUMP'S
AND NBC NEWS REPORTING TRUMP'S SON-IN-LAW AND SENIOR ADVISOR
SON-IN-LAW AND SENIOR ADVISOR WAS THERE TO MEET WITH THE
WAS THERE TO MEET WITH THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME KUSHNER
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME KUSHNER WAS QUESTIONED BY SENATORS.
WAS QUESTIONED BY SENATORS. HIS APPEARANCE BACK IN 2017 ONLY
HIS APPEARANCE BACK IN 2017 ONLY INVOLVED QUESTIONING BY
INVOLVED QUESTIONING BY COMMITTEE STAFF.
COMMITTEE STAFF. THAT COMMITTEE STILL LOOKING AT
THAT COMMITTEE STILL LOOKING AT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA'S
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA'S ELECTION INTERFERENCE KUSHNER'S
ELECTION INTERFERENCE KUSHNER'S QUESTIONING TODAY MAY INDICATE
QUESTIONING TODAY MAY INDICATE THAT INVESTIGATION IS CLOSER TO
THAT INVESTIGATION IS CLOSER TO WRAPPING UP THE END OF THE
WRAPPING UP THE END OF THE SENATE INQUIRY WOULD LEAVE JUST
SENATE INQUIRY WOULD LEAVE JUST THE HOUSE WITH OPEN INQUIRIES
THE HOUSE WITH OPEN INQUIRIES INTO THE PRESIDENT.
INTO THE PRESIDENT. TONIGHT, TRUMP WORKED IN SOME
TONIGHT, TRUMP WORKED IN SOME BLUE LANGUAGE WHEN WARNING THE
BLUE LANGUAGE WHEN WARNING THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE INVESTIGATING
DEMOCRATS WHO ARE INVESTIGATING HIM.
HIM. >> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO NOW
>> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO NOW DECIDE WHETHER THEY WILL
DECIDE WHETHER THEY WILL CONTINUE DEFRAUDING THE PUBLIC
CONTINUE DEFRAUDING THE PUBLIC WITH RIDICULOUS BULL.
WITH RIDICULOUS BULL. >> SO OUR PRESIDENT HAS JUST
>> SO OUR PRESIDENT HAS JUST DECIDED TO LET IT FLY.
DECIDED TO LET IT FLY. LET'S BRING IN OUR LEAD OFF
LET'S BRING IN OUR LEAD OFF PANEL FOR A THURSDAY NIGHT PETER
PANEL FOR A THURSDAY NIGHT PETER BAKER WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
BAKER WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND
FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND BARBARA McQUAID, FORMER U.S.
BARBARA McQUAID, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE EASTERN
ATTORNEY FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN AND TESZSA,
DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN AND TESZSA, HER LATEST IS ABOUT ATTORNEY
HER LATEST IS ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR AND ITS HEADLINED
GENERAL BARR AND ITS HEADLINED THE
THE "THE DECIDER."
"THE DECIDER." PETER BAKER, DO WE HAVE THIS
PETER BAKER, DO WE HAVE THIS ABOUT RIGHT?
ABOUT RIGHT? ALL WE HAVE SO FAR IS THE BARR
ALL WE HAVE SO FAR IS THE BARR INTERPRETATION.
INTERPRETATION. WE DON'T HAVE THE MUELLER
WE DON'T HAVE THE MUELLER REPORT.
REPORT. DURING THIS INTERIM COULD BE
DURING THIS INTERIM COULD BE DAYS, COULD BE WEEKS, THE
DAYS, COULD BE WEEKS, THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO CEMENT
PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO CEMENT HIS STORY IN THE PUBLIC MIND.
HIS STORY IN THE PUBLIC MIND. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
RIGHT. ALL WE HAVE REALLY, NOT EVEN
ALL WE HAVE REALLY, NOT EVEN FOUR PAGES, WE HAVE TWO LINES,
FOUR PAGES, WE HAVE TWO LINES, TWO SENTENCES FROM ROBERT
TWO SENTENCES FROM ROBERT MUELLER AS QUOTED BY BILL BARR
MUELLER AS QUOTED BY BILL BARR AND TWO IMPORTANT SENTENCES.
AND TWO IMPORTANT SENTENCES. ONE OF THEM IS THE MUELLER
ONE OF THEM IS THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DID NOT ESTABLISH
INVESTIGATION DID NOT ESTABLISH ANY CONSPIRACY BETWEEN THE TRUMP
ANY CONSPIRACY BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA.
CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THAT'S THE MAIN ORIGINAL MISSION
THAT'S THE MAIN ORIGINAL MISSION AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THAT
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THAT ROBERT MUELLER DOES NOT ACCUSE
ROBERT MUELLER DOES NOT ACCUSE THE PRESIDENT OF ANY CRIME
THE PRESIDENT OF ANY CRIME OBSTRUCTION NOR DOES HE
OBSTRUCTION NOR DOES HE EXONERATE HIM FROM THAT.
EXONERATE HIM FROM THAT. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS WE KNOW
THOSE ARE TWO THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT THIS REPORT AT THIS POINT
ABOUT THIS REPORT AT THIS POINT AS QUOTED BY BILL BARR.
AS QUOTED BY BILL BARR. THE 300- PAGES WE COULD SEE AT
THE 300- PAGES WE COULD SEE AT SOME POINT, WE HOPE TO SEE HAVE
SOME POINT, WE HOPE TO SEE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
A LOT MORE INFORMATION. THE BOTTOM LINE IS STILL WHAT IS
THE BOTTOM LINE IS STILL WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO AROUND SAYING HE
CONTINUE TO GO AROUND SAYING HE WAS EXONERATED AND IF THERE IS
WAS EXONERATED AND IF THERE IS NOT ANY FURTHER CONSEQUENCE
NOT ANY FURTHER CONSEQUENCE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TWO CON
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TWO CON CONCLUSIONS
CONCLUSIONS CONCLUSIONS, THOSE ARE
CONCLUSIONS, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT
WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT ROBERT MUELLER DISCOVERED ABOUT
ROBERT MUELLER DISCOVERED ABOUT CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA AND WHAT
CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA AND WHAT THEY ADDED UP TO WHAT WAS GOING
THEY ADDED UP TO WHAT WAS GOING ON AND MORE ABOUT HIS VIEW OF
ON AND MORE ABOUT HIS VIEW OF OBSTRUCTION ALLEGATIONS.
OBSTRUCTION ALLEGATIONS. WHAT WE'RE TOLD IS MOST OF THE
WHAT WE'RE TOLD IS MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ADD UP TO THIS
THINGS THAT ADD UP TO THIS OBSTRUCTION CASE, IF ONE WERE TO
OBSTRUCTION CASE, IF ONE WERE TO BE MADE ARE THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT
BE MADE ARE THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT PRESUMABLY LIKE THE FIRING OF
PRESUMABLY LIKE THE FIRING OF JIM COMEY, THE FBI DIRECTOR, THE
JIM COMEY, THE FBI DIRECTOR, THE DISCUSSION WHETHER TO FIRE
DISCUSSION WHETHER TO FIRE MUELLER HIMSELF, THOSE THINGS.
MUELLER HIMSELF, THOSE THINGS. AT THAT POINT, THERE IS A BIG
AT THAT POINT, THERE IS A BIG DEBATE WHAT THE DETAILS OF THE
DEBATE WHAT THE DETAILS OF THE 300 PLUS PAGES ADD UP TO.
300 PLUS PAGES ADD UP TO. THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY STILL
THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY STILL CONTINUE TO SHADOW OVER THE
CONTINUE TO SHADOW OVER THE PRESIDENT DESPITE THE BOTTOM
PRESIDENT DESPITE THE BOTTOM LINE CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE MORE
LINE CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE MORE FAVORABLE TO HIM.
FAVORABLE TO HIM. >> TESSA, HOW ARE THINGS INSIDE
>> TESSA, HOW ARE THINGS INSIDE THE WEST WING THESE DAYS?
THE WEST WING THESE DAYS? >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAW AT
>> I THINK WHAT YOU SAW AT TRUMP'S RALLY TONIGHT IS A NICE
TRUMP'S RALLY TONIGHT IS A NICE ENCAPSULE OF HIS MOOD AND THEY
ENCAPSULE OF HIS MOOD AND THEY ARE OSCILLATING BETWEEN BEING
ARE OSCILLATING BETWEEN BEING EXUBERANT AND HAPPY OF WHAT WE
EXUBERANT AND HAPPY OF WHAT WE KNOW THROUGH BARR AND FEELING
KNOW THROUGH BARR AND FEELING INCREDIBLY ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED
INCREDIBLY ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED ABOUT THE COURSE OF THE
ABOUT THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION OVER THE PAST TWO
INVESTIGATION OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AND SO YOU REALLY SAW BOTH
YEARS AND SO YOU REALLY SAW BOTH ON DISPLAY AT TRUMP'S RALLY
ON DISPLAY AT TRUMP'S RALLY TONIGHT, AND HE WANTS TO MOVE
TONIGHT, AND HE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD BUT HE'S NOT QUITE READY
FORWARD BUT HE'S NOT QUITE READY TO MOVE ON AND HE WANTS REVENGE
TO MOVE ON AND HE WANTS REVENGE AND I WAS TALKING YESTERDAY WITH
AND I WAS TALKING YESTERDAY WITH RAJ SHAW, THE FORMER DEPUTY
RAJ SHAW, THE FORMER DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY AT THE WHITE
PRESS SECRETARY AT THE WHITE HOUSE HOW TRUMP MIGHT USE THIS
HOUSE HOW TRUMP MIGHT USE THIS NOW, USE THIS ANGER AS A
NOW, USE THIS ANGER AS A POLITICAL WEAPON IN 2020, AND
POLITICAL WEAPON IN 2020, AND RAJ WAS SAYING NOW WHENEVER
RAJ WAS SAYING NOW WHENEVER ANYONE CRITICIZED TRUMP IN THE
ANYONE CRITICIZED TRUMP IN THE ELECTION FAIRLY OR UNFAIRLY ON
ELECTION FAIRLY OR UNFAIRLY ON POLICY MATTERS, TRUMP CAN POINT
POLICY MATTERS, TRUMP CAN POINT AND SAY WELL, LOOK, THIS PERSON
AND SAY WELL, LOOK, THIS PERSON WAS WRONG ON DEAD WRONG ON THIS
WAS WRONG ON DEAD WRONG ON THIS BIG -- THE BIGGEST THING AND I
BIG -- THE BIGGEST THING AND I WAS RIGHT AND YOU SHOULDN'T
WAS RIGHT AND YOU SHOULDN'T TRUST THEM, AND RAJ SHAW AT
TRUST THEM, AND RAJ SHAW AT LEAST THINKS THAT WILL BE
LEAST THINKS THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE STRATEGY FOR TRUMP.
EFFECTIVE STRATEGY FOR TRUMP. >> LET ME PLAY SOMETHING FOR
>> LET ME PLAY SOMETHING FOR YOU.
YOU. THIS IS FORMER NEW YORK CITY
THIS IS FORMER NEW YORK CITY MEMBER OF CONGRESS FORMER MEMBER
MEMBER OF CONGRESS FORMER MEMBER HOUSE JUDICIARY WHO VOTED FOR
HOUSE JUDICIARY WHO VOTED FOR IMPEACHMENT DURING THE WATERGATE
IMPEACHMENT DURING THE WATERGATE MATTER.
MATTER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SIDE. >> THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS
>> THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS WHETHER WE'RE SEEING A COVERUP
WHETHER WE'RE SEEING A COVERUP IN SLOW MOTION OR FAST MOTION OR
IN SLOW MOTION OR FAST MOTION OR WHETHER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
WHETHER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET THE FACTS.
GOING TO GET THE FACTS. WE HAVE MR. BARR'S VERSION OF
WE HAVE MR. BARR'S VERSION OF WHAT IS CRIMINAL AND NOT BUT
WHAT IS CRIMINAL AND NOT BUT MAYBE MR. MUELLER'S ASSESSMENT
MAYBE MR. MUELLER'S ASSESSMENT OF THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTIONS
OF THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTIONS SOMETHING ELSE.
SOMETHING ELSE. >> SO BARB, WHAT'S THE REAL
>> SO BARB, WHAT'S THE REAL CHANCE OF THAT, THAT THERE IS
CHANCE OF THAT, THAT THERE IS THE BARR VERSION AND MUELLER
THE BARR VERSION AND MUELLER VERSION, THE BASELINE WHAT WE'RE
VERSION, THE BASELINE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS DIFFERENT
DEALING WITH HERE IS DIFFERENT OR DIFFERENT AT ALL.
OR DIFFERENT AT ALL. >> WELL, MY GUESS IS THAT
>> WELL, MY GUESS IS THAT WILLIAM BARR WOULD NOT MAKE
WILLIAM BARR WOULD NOT MAKE OVERT MISREPRESENTATIONS BUT
OVERT MISREPRESENTATIONS BUT THERE MAY BE CERTAINLY DETAIL
THERE MAY BE CERTAINLY DETAIL THAT IS NOT INCLUDED THERE AND
THAT IS NOT INCLUDED THERE AND WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT HIS
WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT HIS ANALYSIS IS HE ANALYZES THESE
ANALYSIS IS HE ANALYZES THESE ISSUES OF BOTH CONSPIRACY AND
ISSUES OF BOTH CONSPIRACY AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AS IF
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AS IF PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE SOMEONE WHO
PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE SOMEONE WHO COULD BE INDICTED BY A GRAND
COULD BE INDICTED BY A GRAND JURY.
JURY. WE KNOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
WE KNOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS AN OPINION THAT SAYS
JUSTICE HAS AN OPINION THAT SAYS A PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED
A PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED BY A GRAND JURY.
BY A GRAND JURY. SO INSTEAD OF APPLYING THE
SO INSTEAD OF APPLYING THE CRIMINAL STATUTES, WHAT CONGRESS
CRIMINAL STATUTES, WHAT CONGRESS WOULD APPLY IN AN IMPEACHMENT
WOULD APPLY IN AN IMPEACHMENT STANDARD IS NO STANDARD AT ALL.
STANDARD IS NO STANDARD AT ALL. IT NOT ARTICULATED IN THE
IT NOT ARTICULATED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. IT'S WHATEVER THEY DECIDE
IT'S WHATEVER THEY DECIDE AMOUNTS TO A HIGH CRIME OR
AMOUNTS TO A HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR.
MISDEMEANOR. LOOKING AT THE FACTS IS VERY
LOOKING AT THE FACTS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IN MANY
IMPORTANT AND I THINK IN MANY WAYS, WILLIAM BARR PREJUDGED THE
WAYS, WILLIAM BARR PREJUDGED THE EVERYDAY AND TOLD AMERICA THIS
EVERYDAY AND TOLD AMERICA THIS DOES NOT AMOUNT TO ANY KIND OF
DOES NOT AMOUNT TO ANY KIND OF CRIME.
CRIME. IT MAY NOT AMOUNT TO A VIOLATION
IT MAY NOT AMOUNT TO A VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL STATUTES BUT I
OF THE FEDERAL STATUTES BUT I THINK THIS DELAY THAT THEY HAVE
THINK THIS DELAY THAT THEY HAVE BUILT IN, WHICH I DON'T
BUILT IN, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND, GIVES PRESIDENT
UNDERSTAND, GIVES PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE SAYS WEEKS FOR THE
TRUMP, HE SAYS WEEKS FOR THE PUBLIC TO LET THIS NEWS SETTLE
PUBLIC TO LET THIS NEWS SETTLE IN BEFORE CONGRESS GETS A LOOK
IN BEFORE CONGRESS GETS A LOOK AT IT.
AT IT. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY ROBERT MUELLER COULD NOT HAVE
ROBERT MUELLER COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN A REPORT THAT WAS
WRITTEN A REPORT THAT WAS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY TO
WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE INCLUSION OF GRAND
MINIMIZE THE INCLUSION OF GRAND JURY MATERIAL SO THE PUBLIC AND
JURY MATERIAL SO THE PUBLIC AND CONGRESS COULD SEE IT.
CONGRESS COULD SEE IT. THERE ARE WITNESS INTERVIEWS AND
THERE ARE WITNESS INTERVIEWS AND AT LEAST 500 SEARCH WARRANTS
AT LEAST 500 SEARCH WARRANTS THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO GRAND
THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO GRAND JURY SECRECY.
JURY SECRECY. I DON'T KNOW WHY CONGRESS CAN'T
I DON'T KNOW WHY CONGRESS CAN'T SEE AT LEAST PART OF THAT REPORT
SEE AT LEAST PART OF THAT REPORT TODAY BUT I WONDER THE CYNIC IN
TODAY BUT I WONDER THE CYNIC IN ME WONDERS WHETHER IT'S AN
ME WONDERS WHETHER IT'S AN EFFORT TO BY WILLIAM BARR TO
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