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RIGHT NOW. GOOD EVENING, RACHEL.
GOOD EVENING, RACHEL. >> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS. THANKS, MY FRIEND.
THANKS, MY FRIEND. MUCH APPRECIATED.
MUCH APPRECIATED. THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR
THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR.
JOINING US THIS HOUR. WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS.
WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS. IT FEELS LIKE A FRIDAY.
IT FEELS LIKE A FRIDAY. LITERALLY SINCE DINNERTIME
LITERALLY SINCE DINNERTIME TONIGHT, WE HAVE LEARNED IN "THE
TONIGHT, WE HAVE LEARNED IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" THAT THE
WASHINGTON POST" THAT THE PRESIDENT'S SON JARED KUSHNER IS
PRESIDENT'S SON JARED KUSHNER IS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE WHO WAS DENIED A SECURITY
WHO WAS DENIED A SECURITY CLEARANCE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF
CLEARANCE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT FOREIGN INFLUENCE
CONCERNS ABOUT FOREIGN INFLUENCE OVER HIM, HIS PRIVATE BUSINESS
OVER HIM, HIS PRIVATE BUSINESS INTERESTS AND HIS PERSONAL
INTERESTS AND HIS PERSONAL CONDUCT.
CONDUCT. AFTER A RULING BY CAREER
AFTER A RULING BY CAREER SECURITY OFFICIALS THAT MR.
SECURITY OFFICIALS THAT MR. KUSHNER HAD TOO MANY SIGNIFICANT
KUSHNER HAD TOO MANY SIGNIFICANT DISQUALIFYING FACTORS TO RECEIVE
DISQUALIFYING FACTORS TO RECEIVE A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE, A TRUMP
A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE, A TRUMP POLITICAL APPOINTEE NEVERTHELESS
POLITICAL APPOINTEE NEVERTHELESS OVERRULED THAT DETERMINATION AND
OVERRULED THAT DETERMINATION AND GAVE JARED KUSHNER THE TOP
GAVE JARED KUSHNER THE TOP SECRET CLEARANCE ANYWAY.
SECRET CLEARANCE ANYWAY. KUSHNER YOU MIGHT REMEMBER
KUSHNER YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ISSUED A STATEMENT IN FEBRUARY
ISSUED A STATEMENT IN FEBRUARY SAYING THAT HIS SECURITY
SAYING THAT HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE WAS HANDLED IN THE
CLEARANCE WAS HANDLED IN THE REGULAR PROCESS.
REGULAR PROCESS. IT NOW SEEMS CLEAR ACCORDING TO
IT NOW SEEMS CLEAR ACCORDING TO A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN A POSITION
A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN A POSITION TO KNOW THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS
TO KNOW THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. "THE POST" REPORTS TONIGHT THAT
"THE POST" REPORTS TONIGHT THAT KUSHNER'S TOP SECRET CLEARANCE
KUSHNER'S TOP SECRET CLEARANCE WAS GRANTED AGAINST THE
WAS GRANTED AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION OF SECURITY
RECOMMENDATION OF SECURITY OFFICIALS ON MAY 1st.
OFFICIALS ON MAY 1st. IT WAS, IN FACT, INITIALED BY
IT WAS, IN FACT, INITIALED BY THE TRUMP APPOINTEE WHO
THE TRUMP APPOINTEE WHO OVERRULED SECURITY STAFF ON THAT
OVERRULED SECURITY STAFF ON THAT SAME DAY, ALSO ON MAY 1st,
SAME DAY, ALSO ON MAY 1st, IVANKA TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT'S
IVANKA TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER WHO IS MARRIED TO MR.
DAUGHTER WHO IS MARRIED TO MR. KUSHNER, SHE WAS ALSO GIVEN HER
KUSHNER, SHE WAS ALSO GIVEN HER CLEARANCE THAT SAME DAY AS WELL.
CLEARANCE THAT SAME DAY AS WELL. AND YOU AT HOME SHOULD LOOK
AND YOU AT HOME SHOULD LOOK UNDER YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU GET
UNDER YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE TOO, AND
A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE TOO, AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE
YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET
AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE.
CLEARANCE. EVERYBODY GETS ONE, NO MATTER
EVERYBODY GETS ONE, NO MATTER THE SERIOUS DISQUALIFYING RED
THE SERIOUS DISQUALIFYING RED FLAGS IN YOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS
FLAGS IN YOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HOW MANY WAYS ACTUAL
AND HOW MANY WAYS ACTUAL NATIONAL SECURITY SCREENERS
NATIONAL SECURITY SCREENERS BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T BE
BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH THE NATION'S MOST
TRUSTED WITH THE NATION'S MOST SECRET INFORMATION, YOU GET ONE
SECRET INFORMATION, YOU GET ONE ANYWAY.
ANYWAY. AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT'S
AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER BEING
SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER BEING NAMED AS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL
NAMED AS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE, PREVIOUSLY NOT
NUMBER ONE, PREVIOUSLY NOT DESCRIBED BY NAME IN THOSE
DESCRIBED BY NAME IN THOSE REPORTS.
REPORTS. WE'RE GOING HAVE MORE ON THAT
WE'RE GOING HAVE MORE ON THAT STORY AHEAD.
STORY AHEAD. >>> WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE
>>> WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE MORE AHEAD ON THIS MAJOR SHOT
MORE AHEAD ON THIS MAJOR SHOT ACROSS THE BOW TONIGHT FROM THE
ACROSS THE BOW TONIGHT FROM THE WAYS AND MEANS CHAIRMAN RICHARD
WAYS AND MEANS CHAIRMAN RICHARD NEIL.
NEIL. CONGRESSMAN RICHARD NEIL OF
CONGRESSMAN RICHARD NEIL OF MASSACHUSETTS HEADS THE WAYS AND
MASSACHUSETTS HEADS THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE.
MEANS COMMITTEE. TODAY HE NOTIFIED THE IRS IN
TODAY HE NOTIFIED THE IRS IN WRITING THAT HE IS INVOKING THE
WRITING THAT HE IS INVOKING THE SECTION OF THE FEDERAL TAX CODE
SECTION OF THE FEDERAL TAX CODE THAT REQUIRES THE IRS TO SHOW
THAT REQUIRES THE IRS TO SHOW HIM SPECIFIC TAX RETURNS THAT HE
HIM SPECIFIC TAX RETURNS THAT HE WANTS TO SEE AS CHAIRMAN OF WAYS
WANTS TO SEE AS CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS.
AND MEANS. CHAIRMAN NEIL IS REQUESTING SIX
CHAIRMAN NEIL IS REQUESTING SIX YEARS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
YEARS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERSONAL TAX RETURNS, STARTING
PERSONAL TAX RETURNS, STARTING IN 2013, TWO YEARS BEFORE HE
IN 2013, TWO YEARS BEFORE HE DECLARED HIS RUN FOR THE
DECLARED HIS RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH
PRESIDENCY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO 2018 LAST YEAR.
TO 2018 LAST YEAR. CONGRESSMAN NEIL HAS ALSO TOLD
CONGRESSMAN NEIL HAS ALSO TOLD THE IRS TO TURN OVER TAX RETURNS
THE IRS TO TURN OVER TAX RETURNS FOR THOSE SAME YEARS FOR ALL OF
FOR THOSE SAME YEARS FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TRUMP BUSINESS
THESE DIFFERENT TRUMP BUSINESS ENTITIES.
ENTITIES. ACCORDING TO BACKGROUND
ACCORDING TO BACKGROUND INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE WAYS
INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, THOSE
AND MEANS COMMITTEE, THOSE SPECIFIC ENTITIES, QUOTE, CUTE
SPECIFIC ENTITIES, QUOTE, CUTE THE CORE OF THE PRESIDENT'S
THE CORE OF THE PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. THE COMMITTEE SAYS THE FIST FIVE
THE COMMITTEE SAYS THE FIST FIVE ENTITIES ON THAT LIST, QUOTE,
ENTITIES ON THAT LIST, QUOTE, CONTROL HUNDREDS OF OTHER
CONTROL HUNDREDS OF OTHER BUSINESS ENTITIES ASSOCIATED
BUSINESS ENTITIES ASSOCIATED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. SO, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE MORE ON
SO, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THAT STORY AHEAD OVER THE COURSE
THAT STORY AHEAD OVER THE COURSE OF THIS EVENING, INCLUDING THE
OF THIS EVENING, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE IRS, YOU SHOULD
FACT THAT THE IRS, YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT BEING
UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT BEING ASKED FOR THESE RECORDS.
ASKED FOR THESE RECORDS. THEY'RE NOT BEING SUBPOENAED FOR
THEY'RE NOT BEING SUBPOENAED FOR THESE RECORDS.
THESE RECORDS. THEY APPEAR TO BE PLAINLY
THEY APPEAR TO BE PLAINLY REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAND THESE
REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAND THESE TAX RETURNS OVER NOW THAT THE
TAX RETURNS OVER NOW THAT THE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN HAS DEMANDED
COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN HAS DEMANDED THEM.
THEM. CONGRESSMAN NEAL CLAIMS TODAY
CONGRESSMAN NEAL CLAIMS TODAY THAT THE IRS HAS NEVER BEFORE IN
THAT THE IRS HAS NEVER BEFORE IN U.S. HISTORY REJECTED A REQUEST
U.S. HISTORY REJECTED A REQUEST FOR A TAX RETURN FILED UNDER
FOR A TAX RETURN FILED UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE TAX CODE.
THIS SECTION OF THE TAX CODE. BUT THOSE DEMANDS OF THE IRS ARE
BUT THOSE DEMANDS OF THE IRS ARE IN AND FORMALLY WORDED AND
IN AND FORMALLY WORDED AND FORMALLY REQUESTED/DEMANDED AS
FORMALLY REQUESTED/DEMANDED AS OF TONIGHT.
OF TONIGHT. THAT ONE IS RED-HOT AND
THAT ONE IS RED-HOT AND BRAND-NEW, AND JUST AS WE WERE
BRAND-NEW, AND JUST AS WE WERE DIGESTING THAT, THEN WE GOT
DIGESTING THAT, THEN WE GOT THIS.
THIS. AH, YOU DON'T SAY.
AH, YOU DON'T SAY. YEAH.
YEAH. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? THE HEADLINE IN THIS BREAKING
THE HEADLINE IN THIS BREAKING NEWS REPORT IN "THE NEW YORK
NEWS REPORT IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" TONIGHT, THIS HAS JUST
TIMES" TONIGHT, THIS HAS JUST BROKEN WITHIN THE LAST HOUR AND
BROKEN WITHIN THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF, YOU SEE THE HEADLINE
A HALF, YOU SEE THE HEADLINE THERE, "SOME ON MUELLER'S TEAM
THERE, "SOME ON MUELLER'S TEAM SEE THEIR FINDINGS AS MORE
SEE THEIR FINDINGS AS MORE DAMAGING FOR TRUMP THAN BARR
DAMAGING FOR TRUMP THAN BARR REVEALED."
REVEALED." OH.
OH. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WHEN THE
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WHEN THE NEWLY INSTALLED TRUMP ATTORNEY
NEWLY INSTALLED TRUMP ATTORNEY GENERAL DECIDED TO SIT ON THE
GENERAL DECIDED TO SIT ON THE MUELLER REPORT AND NOT RELEASE
MUELLER REPORT AND NOT RELEASE TO IT ANYONE, NOT A SINGLE PAGE,
TO IT ANYONE, NOT A SINGLE PAGE, AND INSTEAD THE WHITE HOUSE AND
AND INSTEAD THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND
CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA TRIED TO
CONSERVATIVE MEDIA TRIED TO CLAIM TOTAL VINDICATION FOR THE
CLAIM TOTAL VINDICATION FOR THE PRESIDENT IN MUELLER'S REPORT
PRESIDENT IN MUELLER'S REPORT BASED JUST ON ATTORNEY GENERAL
BASED JUST ON ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S ODD, VAGUE
BARR'S ODD, VAGUE CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT HE SAYS
CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT HE SAYS MUELLER CONCLUDED, WHICH THE AG
MUELLER CONCLUDED, WHICH THE AG THEN LATER SAID SHOULDN'T EVEN
THEN LATER SAID SHOULDN'T EVEN BE TAKEN AS A SUMMARY OF WHAT
BE TAKEN AS A SUMMARY OF WHAT MUELLER CONCLUDED.
MUELLER CONCLUDED. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT MAYBE
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT MAYBE THE MUELLER REPORT ISN'T AS
THE MUELLER REPORT ISN'T AS EXACTY EXCITING AND EXCULPATORY
EXACTY EXCITING AND EXCULPATORY FOR THE PRESIDENT AS THE TRUMP
FOR THE PRESIDENT AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND CONSERVATIVE
ADMINISTRATION AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA AND CONGRESSIONAL
MEDIA AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE YOU
REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE?
BELIEVE? REALLY?
REALLY? WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED YOUR VICTORY
HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED YOUR VICTORY LAPS.
LAPS. HERE IS THE LEAD TONIGHT IN "THE
HERE IS THE LEAD TONIGHT IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
NEW YORK TIMES." QUOTE, SOME OF ROBERT MUELLER'S
QUOTE, SOME OF ROBERT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD
INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD ASSOCIATES THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL
ASSOCIATES THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM P. BARR FAILED TO
WILLIAM P. BARR FAILED TO ADEQUATELY PORTRAY THE FINDINGS
ADEQUATELY PORTRAY THE FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY AND THAT THE
OF THEIR INQUIRY AND THAT THE FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY WERE
FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY WERE MORE TROUBLING FOR PRESIDENT
MORE TROUBLING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THAN MR. BARR INDICATED,
TRUMP THAN MR. BARR INDICATED, CITING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND
CITING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND OTHERS FAMILIAR WITH THE
OTHERS FAMILIAR WITH THE SIMMERING FRUSTRATIONS OF
SIMMERING FRUSTRATIONS OF MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS, "THE
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS, "THE TIMES" TONIGHT REPORTS, QUOTE,
TIMES" TONIGHT REPORTS, QUOTE, SOME MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM
SOME MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM ARE CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MR.
ARE CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MR. BARR CREATED THE FIRST PUBLIC
BARR CREATED THE FIRST PUBLIC NARRATIVE OF THE SPECIAL
NARRATIVE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, AMERICANS'
COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, AMERICANS' VIEWS WILL HAVE HARDENED ABOUT
VIEWS WILL HAVE HARDENED ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BEFORE THE
THE MUELLER REPORT BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION'S CONCLUSIONS
INVESTIGATION'S CONCLUSIONS ACTUALLY BECOME PUBLIC.
ACTUALLY BECOME PUBLIC. QUOTE, AT STAKE IN THE DISPUTE
QUOTE, AT STAKE IN THE DISPUTE IS WHO SHAPES THE PUBLIC'S
IS WHO SHAPES THE PUBLIC'S INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF
INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL
THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS IN
GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
AMERICAN HISTORY. TODAY, OF COURSE, CONGRESSIONAL
TODAY, OF COURSE, CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS LED BY CHAIRMAN JERRY
DEMOCRATS LED BY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
NADLER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THEY AUTHORIZED A
COMMITTEE, THEY AUTHORIZED A SUBPOENA TO OBTAIN THE ENTIRE
SUBPOENA TO OBTAIN THE ENTIRE UNREDACTED REPORT FROM MUELLER'S
UNREDACTED REPORT FROM MUELLER'S OFFICE.
OFFICE. THEY DID NOT SEND THAT SUBPOENA
THEY DID NOT SEND THAT SUBPOENA TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TODAY.
TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TODAY. JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER
JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER INSISTED TODAY HE WANTS TO GIVE
INSISTED TODAY HE WANTS TO GIVE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TIME TO
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TIME TO CHANGE HIS MIND.
CHANGE HIS MIND. HE BASICALLY WANTS TO NEGOTIATE
HE BASICALLY WANTS TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TRY
WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TRY TO PERSUADE HIM TO RELEASE THE
TO PERSUADE HIM TO RELEASE THE UNREDACTED REPORT OF MUELLER'S
UNREDACTED REPORT OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS TO THE JUDICIARY
FINDINGS TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR FOR HIS
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR FOR HIS PART APPEARS TO BE BASICALLY
PART APPEARS TO BE BASICALLY IGNORING ALL REQUESTS AND
IGNORING ALL REQUESTS AND DEMANDS FROM CONGRESS WHEN IT
DEMANDS FROM CONGRESS WHEN IT COMES TO MUELLER'S REPORT.
COMES TO MUELLER'S REPORT. HE INSISTED IN HIS LAST LETTER
HE INSISTED IN HIS LAST LETTER TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES THAT
TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES THAT HE'S GOING THROUGH THE REPORT
HE'S GOING THROUGH THE REPORT NOW AND CUTTING OUT A WHOLE
NOW AND CUTTING OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF
BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT HE BELIEVES
INFORMATION THAT HE BELIEVES CONGRESS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO
CONGRESS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SEE.
SEE. HE HAS SAID THAT MUELLER HIMSELF
HE HAS SAID THAT MUELLER HIMSELF IS ASSISTING WITH THIS REDACTION
IS ASSISTING WITH THIS REDACTION PROCESS, ALTHOUGH NO ONE QUITE
PROCESS, ALTHOUGH NO ONE QUITE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS, AND THAT
KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS, AND THAT MAY BECOME A VERY, VERY
MAY BECOME A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THING IN TERMS OF HOW
DIFFERENT THING IN TERMS OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS GIVEN
WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS GIVEN THIS NEW REPORTING FROM "THE
THIS NEW REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES."
TIMES." THIS REPORT FROM "THE TIMES"
THIS REPORT FROM "THE TIMES" TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S
TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S TEAM, HOWEVER INVOLVED THEY ARE
TEAM, HOWEVER INVOLVED THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS FROM HERE ON OUT,
IN THE PROCESS FROM HERE ON OUT, THIS REPORT TONIGHT SUGGESTS
THIS REPORT TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S TEAM IS NOT ON
THAT MUELLER'S TEAM IS NOT ON BOARD WITH HOW ATTORNEY GENERAL
BOARD WITH HOW ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR IS HANDLING THIS.
WILLIAM BARR IS HANDLING THIS. AND ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES"
AND ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES" REPORTING, MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S
REPORTING, MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM ARE BASICALLY WARNING
TEAM ARE BASICALLY WARNING PEOPLE THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL
PEOPLE THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO
WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO PUBLICLY SELL A VERSION OF WHAT
PUBLICLY SELL A VERSION OF WHAT HE SAYS ARE MUELLER'S FINDINGS
HE SAYS ARE MUELLER'S FINDINGS THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FAIR
THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MUELLER
REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MUELLER FOUND, AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE
FOUND, AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE WAY TOO KIND TO PRESIDENT TRUMP
WAY TOO KIND TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN YOU COMPARE WIT MUELLER'S
WHEN YOU COMPARE WIT MUELLER'S ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS.
ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS. AND THIS NEW REPORTING GOES
AND THIS NEW REPORTING GOES RIGHT BACK TO THAT STRANGE
RIGHT BACK TO THAT STRANGE INITIAL QUESTION OF WHY EXACTLY
INITIAL QUESTION OF WHY EXACTLY BARR IS BEHAVING THE WAY HE IS.
BARR IS BEHAVING THE WAY HE IS. WHY IT IS THAT BARR DECIDED TO
WHY IT IS THAT BARR DECIDED TO PROVIDE HIS PURPORTED
PROVIDE HIS PURPORTED SUMMARY/DON'T CALL IT A SUMMARY
SUMMARY/DON'T CALL IT A SUMMARY OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS IN THE
OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
FIRST PLACE. NOBODY EXPECTED HIM TO DO THAT.
NOBODY EXPECTED HIM TO DO THAT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPECIAL
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS THAT
COUNSEL REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRED HIM TO DO THAT.
REQUIRED HIM TO DO THAT. THERE WAS NO WARNING OR ANY SORT
THERE WAS NO WARNING OR ANY SORT OF EXPECTATION THAT HE WOULD DO
OF EXPECTATION THAT HE WOULD DO THAT.
THAT. WHY IN FACT DID BARR DECIDE TO
WHY IN FACT DID BARR DECIDE TO NOT RELEASE ANYTHING FROM
NOT RELEASE ANYTHING FROM MUELLER'S REPORT AND INSTEAD TO
MUELLER'S REPORT AND INSTEAD TO RELEASE HIS OWN TAKE ON WHAT
RELEASE HIS OWN TAKE ON WHAT MUELLER FOUND?
MUELLER FOUND? HERE IS MORE FROM "THE TIMES"
HERE IS MORE FROM "THE TIMES" REPORT TONIGHT.
REPORT TONIGHT. QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY
INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF
WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM
THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT BARR SHOULD
MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT BARR SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR
HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER
MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING
HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING OUT THEIR MAIN CONCLUSIONS, AS
OUT THEIR MAIN CONCLUSIONS, AS HE CHARACTERIZED THEM.
HE CHARACTERIZED THEM. MR. BARR, QUOTE, ONLY BRIEFLY
MR. BARR, QUOTE, ONLY BRIEFLY CITED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S WORK
CITED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S WORK IN HIS LETTER.
IN HIS LETTER. GOING ON, "THE TIMES" SAYS THE
GOING ON, "THE TIMES" SAYS THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION AND
WITH THE INVESTIGATION AND OTHERS INTERVIEWED DECLINED TO
OTHERS INTERVIEWED DECLINED TO FLESH OUT WHY SOME OF THE
FLESH OUT WHY SOME OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS
SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED THEIR FINDINGS AS
VIEWED THEIR FINDINGS AS POTENTIALLY MORE DAMAGING FOR
POTENTIALLY MORE DAMAGING FOR THE PRESIDENT THAN BARR
THE PRESIDENT THAN BARR EXPLAINED.
EXPLAINED. QUOTE, IT WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH
QUOTE, IT WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH DISCUSSION MUELLER AND HIS
DISCUSSION MUELLER AND HIS INVESTIGATORS HAD WITH SENIOR
INVESTIGATORS HAD WITH SENIOR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS ABOUT HOW THEIR FINDINGS WOULD
ABOUT HOW THEIR FINDINGS WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC.
BE MADE PUBLIC. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST -- THIS
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST -- THIS IS REMARKABLE.
IS REMARKABLE. WHAT "THE TIMES" IS DESCRIBING
WHAT "THE TIMES" IS DESCRIBING HERE, REMARKABLY, IS CRITICISM,
HERE, REMARKABLY, IS CRITICISM, RIGHT, WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS
RIGHT, WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS SIMMERING FRUSTRATION FROM
SIMMERING FRUSTRATION FROM MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS ABOUT
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS ABOUT THE PRO-TRUMP CHARACTERIZATION
THE PRO-TRUMP CHARACTERIZATION OF THEIR FINDINGS THAT ATTORNEY
OF THEIR FINDINGS THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR MADE PUBLIC
GENERAL WILLIAM BARR MADE PUBLIC AS HIS OWN SUMMARY OF THEIR WORK
AS HIS OWN SUMMARY OF THEIR WORK WHILE HE, A, PREVENTED ANY OF
WHILE HE, A, PREVENTED ANY OF THE ACTUAL REPORT FROM BEING
THE ACTUAL REPORT FROM BEING MADE PUBLIC OR EVEN PROVIDED TO
MADE PUBLIC OR EVEN PROVIDED TO CONGRESS, AND B, HE APPARENTLY
CONGRESS, AND B, HE APPARENTLY PREVENTED EVEN THEIR OWN WRITTEN
PREVENTED EVEN THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN WORK FROM
SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN WORK FROM BECOMING PUBLIC AT ALL.
BECOMING PUBLIC AT ALL. THIS IS TOTALLY NEW.
THIS IS TOTALLY NEW. WE HAD NO IDEA THAT MUELLER'S
WE HAD NO IDEA THAT MUELLER'S TEAM SUMMARIZED THEIR OWN
TEAM SUMMARIZED THEIR OWN FINDINGS THEMSELVES.
FINDINGS THEMSELVES. THEY PREPARED A SUMMARY
THEY PREPARED A SUMMARY THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. BARR DID NOT RELEASE THAT
BARR DID NOT RELEASE THAT SUMMARY.
SUMMARY. HE WROTE A DIFFERENT ONE
HE WROTE A DIFFERENT ONE HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. WHICH MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS
WHICH MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY IS WRONG.
SAY IS WRONG. THEY AT LEAST SAY IT IS LESS
THEY AT LEAST SAY IT IS LESS DAMAGING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP
DAMAGING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THAN WHAT THEIR REPORT AND THEIR
THAN WHAT THEIR REPORT AND THEIR INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY FOUND.
INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY FOUND. NOW THERE IS A COUPLE MORE
NOW THERE IS A COUPLE MORE THINGS HERE.
THINGS HERE. ONE IS REPORTING THAT -- I MEAN,
ONE IS REPORTING THAT -- I MEAN, IT'S ALL ANONYMOUS SOURCES,
IT'S ALL ANONYMOUS SOURCES, RIGHT?
RIGHT? BUT THIS IS REPORTING THAT
BUT THIS IS REPORTING THAT APPEARS TO BE SOURCED FROM DOJ.
APPEARS TO BE SOURCED FROM DOJ. I SAY THAT BECAUSE "THE TIMES"
I SAY THAT BECAUSE "THE TIMES" DESCRIBES ITS SOURCES FOR SOME
DESCRIBES ITS SOURCES FOR SOME OF THIS AS UNNAMED PERSONS CLOSE
OF THIS AS UNNAMED PERSONS CLOSE TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S
TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S THINKING.
THINKING. BUT THOSE SOURCES ARE TELLING
BUT THOSE SOURCES ARE TELLING REPORTERS AT "THE TIMES" WHY
REPORTERS AT "THE TIMES" WHY BARR MIGHT HAVE RELEASED HIS OWN
BARR MIGHT HAVE RELEASED HIS OWN SUMMARY THAT WAS ONLY SUNSHINE
SUMMARY THAT WAS ONLY SUNSHINE AND BLUEBIRDS WHEN IT CAME TO
AND BLUEBIRDS WHEN IT CAME TO PRESIDENT TRUMP RATHER THAN
PRESIDENT TRUMP RATHER THAN RELEASING THE ACTUAL WRITTEN
RELEASING THE ACTUAL WRITTEN SUMMARY PREPARED BY MUELLER'S
SUMMARY PREPARED BY MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES.
INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES. I HAVE TO WARN YOU, THIS IS A
I HAVE TO WARN YOU, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT RICH IN TERMS OF THE
LITTLE BIT RICH IN TERMS OF THE EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY BARR DID
EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY BARR DID WHAT HE DID.
WHAT HE DID. QUOTE, BARR HAS COME UNDER
QUOTE, BARR HAS COME UNDER CRITICISM FOR SHARING SO LITTLE
CRITICISM FOR SHARING SO LITTLE FROM MUELLER'S REPORT, BUT
FROM MUELLER'S REPORT, BUT ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS FAMILIAR
ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S THINKING, HE AND HIS AIDES
THINKING, HE AND HIS AIDES LIMITED THE DETAILS THEY
LIMITED THE DETAILS THEY REVEALED BECAUSE THEY WERE
REVEALED BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT WADING INTO
WORRIED ABOUT WADING INTO POLITICAL TERRITORY.
POLITICAL TERRITORY. MR. BARR AND HIS ADVISERS
MR. BARR AND HIS ADVISERS EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IF THEY
EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IF THEY INCLUDED DEROGATORY INFORMATION
INCLUDED DEROGATORY INFORMATION ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHILE CLEARING
ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHILE CLEARING HIM, THEY WOULD FACE A STORM OF
HIM, THEY WOULD FACE A STORM OF CRITICISM LIKE WHAT JAMES COMEY
CRITICISM LIKE WHAT JAMES COMEY ENDURED IN THE CLINTON
ENDURED IN THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. QUOTE, BARR WAS WARY OF
QUOTE, BARR WAS WARY OF DEPARTING FROM JUSTICE
DEPARTING FROM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PRACTICE NOT TO
DEPARTMENT PRACTICE NOT TO DISCLOSE DEROGATORY DETAILS IN
DISCLOSE DEROGATORY DETAILS IN CLOSING AN INVESTIGATION,
CLOSING AN INVESTIGATION, ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT
ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH BARR'S
OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH BARR'S THINKING.
THINKING. THEY POINTED TO THE DECISION BY
THEY POINTED TO THE DECISION BY JAMES COMEY TO HARSHLY CRITICIZE
JAMES COMEY TO HARSHLY CRITICIZE HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016 WHILE
HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016 WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ANNOUNCING THAT
SIMULTANEOUSLY ANNOUNCING THAT HE WAS RECOMMENDING NO CHARGES
HE WAS RECOMMENDING NO CHARGES AGAINST HER IN THE INQUIRY INTO
AGAINST HER IN THE INQUIRY INTO HER EMAIL PRACTICES.
HER EMAIL PRACTICES. SO ACCORDING TO SOURCES CLOSE TO
SO ACCORDING TO SOURCES CLOSE TO ATTORNEY GENERAL GENERAL BARR'S
ATTORNEY GENERAL GENERAL BARR'S THINKING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S
THINKING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S THINKING.
THINKING. IMAGINE YOU'RE WRITING THE
IMAGINE YOU'RE WRITING THE HISTORY CHAPTER ABOUT THIS FOR
HISTORY CHAPTER ABOUT THIS FOR PEOPLE NOT YET BORN, RIGHT?
PEOPLE NOT YET BORN, RIGHT? HERE'S THE THINKING.
HERE'S THE THINKING. BECAUSE THE FBI MADE AN
BECAUSE THE FBI MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF FREE-FLOATING
ANNOUNCEMENT OF FREE-FLOATING CRITICISM AND DEROGATORY
CRITICISM AND DEROGATORY INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL
INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT
CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL
BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THUS HELPING HER
ELECTION, THUS HELPING HER OPPONENT DONALD TRUMP WIN THE
OPPONENT DONALD TRUMP WIN THE PRESIDENCY, NOW DONALD TRUMP
PRESIDENCY, NOW DONALD TRUMP APPOINTEES ARE SOBERLY PLEDGING
APPOINTEES ARE SOBERLY PLEDGING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A
THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A SPRAWLING CRIMINAL
SPRAWLING CRIMINAL COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP AS
INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT, THE CLINTON EXAMPLE
PRESIDENT, THE CLINTON EXAMPLE IS WHY NOTHING SHOULD BE
IS WHY NOTHING SHOULD BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT
RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT TRUMP WHATSOEVER, NOT AT LEAST
TRUMP WHATSOEVER, NOT AT LEAST IF IT'S NEGATIVE.
IF IT'S NEGATIVE. ONLY IF IT'S GOOD.
ONLY IF IT'S GOOD. BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRINCIPLE,
BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRINCIPLE, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING.
RIGHT, THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING. HERE'S ONE LAST POINT IN THIS
HERE'S ONE LAST POINT IN THIS "TIMES" STORY, THOUGH.
"TIMES" STORY, THOUGH. A COUPLE OF TIMES "THE TIMES"
A COUPLE OF TIMES "THE TIMES" SAYS TONIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT
SAYS TONIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE, THEY'RE NOT
EXACTLY SURE, THEY'RE NOT REPORTING HERE WHAT EXACTLY THE
REPORTING HERE WHAT EXACTLY THE OBJECTION IS FROM MUELLER'S
OBJECTION IS FROM MUELLER'S TEAM, WHAT THE FRUSTRATION IS
TEAM, WHAT THE FRUSTRATION IS HERE FROM MUELLER'S TEAM ABOUT
HERE FROM MUELLER'S TEAM ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY FOUND AND THE WAY BARR
ACTUALLY FOUND AND THE WAY BARR HAS CHARACTERIZED THEIR
HAS CHARACTERIZED THEIR INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. FOR EXAMPLE, "THE TIMES" SAYS
FOR EXAMPLE, "THE TIMES" SAYS EXPLICITLY IN THEIR REPORT
EXPLICITLY IN THEIR REPORT TONIGHT, QUOTE, IT WAS NOT CLEAR
TONIGHT, QUOTE, IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT FINDINGS THE SPECIAL
WHAT FINDINGS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED
COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED AS TROUBLING FOR MR. TRUMP.
AS TROUBLING FOR MR. TRUMP. BUT CLEARLY, THEY'RE TROUBLING
BUT CLEARLY, THEY'RE TROUBLING FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE
FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE LISTED IN THEIR OWN REPORT,
LISTED IN THEIR OWN REPORT, RIGHT?
RIGHT? THEY HAVE WRITTEN THESE THINGS
THEY HAVE WRITTEN THESE THINGS DOWN.
DOWN. THEY ARE THE FINDINGS OF THE
THEY ARE THE FINDINGS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
MUELLER INVESTIGATION. THEY'RE THERE IN THE REPORT,
THEY'RE THERE IN THE REPORT, WHICH 12 DAYS NOW WE CAN'T SEE.
WHICH 12 DAYS NOW WE CAN'T SEE. SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE GET TO
SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE GET TO SEE WHAT THOSE TROUBLING
SEE WHAT THOSE TROUBLING FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE?
FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE? AND WHOSE GOING TO DECIDE?
AND WHOSE GOING TO DECIDE? I MEAN, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT IS
I MEAN, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT IS GETTING CUT OUT OF MUELLER'S
GETTING CUT OUT OF MUELLER'S REPORT?
REPORT? CONGRESS SAYS THEY GET IT ALL
CONGRESS SAYS THEY GET IT ALL UNREDACTED.
UNREDACTED. WELL, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT
WELL, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHIP TO
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHIP TO CONGRESS WHEN THEY REJECT
CONGRESS WHEN THEY REJECT CONGRESS' CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD
CONGRESS' CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD GET AN UNREDACTED REPORT?
GET AN UNREDACTED REPORT? WHOSE TO DECIDE WHAT GOES TO THE
WHOSE TO DECIDE WHAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT THE REDACTIONS
PUBLIC AND WHAT THE REDACTIONS ARE?
ARE? AGAIN, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR
AGAIN, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAYS THAT MUELLER, THE SPECIAL
SAYS THAT MUELLER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS ASSISTING IN THE
COUNSEL IS ASSISTING IN THE PROCESS OF DECIDING WHAT'S BEING
PROCESS OF DECIDING WHAT'S BEING REDACTED FROM THE REPORT BEFORE
REDACTED FROM THE REPORT BEFORE BARR LETS IT OUT OF HIS CLUTCHES
BARR LETS IT OUT OF HIS CLUTCHES AND GIVES IT TO EITHER THE
AND GIVES IT TO EITHER THE CONGRESS OR THE PUBLIC.
CONGRESS OR THE PUBLIC. SO MUELLER IS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING
SO MUELLER IS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING IN THIS PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW,
IN THIS PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, CUTTING STUFF OUT OF HIS OWN
CUTTING STUFF OUT OF HIS OWN REPORT, BLACKING STUFF OUT.
REPORT, BLACKING STUFF OUT. WELL, ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES"
WELL, ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES" TONIGHT, MUELLER'S TEAM, AGAIN,
TONIGHT, MUELLER'S TEAM, AGAIN, PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF
PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF WHAT THEIR OWN FINDINGS WERE.
WHAT THEIR OWN FINDINGS WERE. AND BARR DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE
AND BARR DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF
THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN FINDINGS AND INSTEAD
THEIR OWN FINDINGS AND INSTEAD SUBSTITUTED HIS OWN EXPLANATION
SUBSTITUTED HIS OWN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HE SAYS THEY FOUND,
OF WHAT HE SAYS THEY FOUND, WHICH THEY NOW TAKE IERVE WITH.
WHICH THEY NOW TAKE IERVE WITH. ONE OF THE WEIRDEST THINGS IN
ONE OF THE WEIRDEST THINGS IN THIS WHOLE REPORT TONIGHT,
THIS WHOLE REPORT TONIGHT, THOUGH, IS WHAT "THE TIMES" IS
THOUGH, IS WHAT "THE TIMES" IS BASICALLY SAYING, ACCORDING TO
BASICALLY SAYING, ACCORDING TO SOURCES THAT APPEAR TO BE IN THE
SOURCES THAT APPEAR TO BE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OR SOURCES
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OR SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY
FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S THINKING IS THAT WHEN
GENERAL'S THINKING IS THAT WHEN MUELLER'S TEAM PREPARED THEIR
MUELLER'S TEAM PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN
OWN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN FINDINGS, THEY PREPARED THEM IN
FINDINGS, THEY PREPARED THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE
SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE UNRELEASABLE, EITHER TO CONGRESS
UNRELEASABLE, EITHER TO CONGRESS OR TO THE PUBLIC.
OR TO THE PUBLIC. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? HERE'S WHAT "THE TIMES" REPORTS,
HERE'S WHAT "THE TIMES" REPORTS, QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY
INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF
WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM
THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT MR. BARR
MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT MR. BARR SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF
SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE
THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th
LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING OUT MUELLER'S MAIN
LAYING OUT MUELLER'S MAIN CONCLUSIONS.
CONCLUSIONS. HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE NEVER ASKED MR. BARR TO
OFFICE NEVER ASKED MR. BARR TO RELEASE THE SUMMARIES SOON AFTER
RELEASE THE SUMMARIES SOON AFTER HE RECEIVED THE REPORT, A PERSON
HE RECEIVED THE REPORT, A PERSON FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION
FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION SAID.
SAID. OKAY.
OKAY. AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT QUICKLY DETERMINED THAT THE
QUICKLY DETERMINED THAT THE SUMMARIES CONTAINED SENSITIVE
SUMMARIES CONTAINED SENSITIVE INFORMATION, LIKE CLASSIFIED
INFORMATION, LIKE CLASSIFIED MATERIALS, SECRET GRAND JURY
MATERIALS, SECRET GRAND JURY TESTIMONY, AND INFORMATION
TESTIMONY, AND INFORMATION RELATED TO CURRENT FEDERAL
RELATED TO CURRENT FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT MUST REMAIN
INVESTIGATIONS THAT MUST REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL.
CONFIDENTIAL. THAT'S ACCORDING TO TWO
THAT'S ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. SO THIS IS THE PART OF IT THAT
SO THIS IS THE PART OF IT THAT KIND OF THROBS LIKE A FRITZING
KIND OF THROBS LIKE A FRITZING NEON SIGN HERE.
NEON SIGN HERE. WHAT "THE TIMES" IS REPORTING
WHAT "THE TIMES" IS REPORTING BASED ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE
BASED ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND
CURRENT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOURCES IS
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOURCES IS THAT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM
THAT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES TO
PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES TO THEIR FINDINGS.
THEIR FINDINGS. MUELLER'S TEAM IS ANGRY THAT
MUELLER'S TEAM IS ANGRY THAT THOSE SUMMARIES WERE NOT
THOSE SUMMARIES WERE NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC BY BARR
RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC BY BARR AND INSTEAD HE RELEASED HIS OWN,
AND INSTEAD HE RELEASED HIS OWN, WHICH WAS MUCH NICER TO TRUMP.
WHICH WAS MUCH NICER TO TRUMP. BUT MUELLER IS ALSO INVOLVED IN
BUT MUELLER IS ALSO INVOLVED IN DECIDING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE
DECIDING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE RELEASED FROM HIS REPORT, AND
RELEASED FROM HIS REPORT, AND HIS SUMMARIES WERE WRITTEN IN
HIS SUMMARIES WERE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DEFINITELY
SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DEFINITELY CAN'T BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC
CAN'T BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC OR TO CONGRESS?
OR TO CONGRESS? THAT -- SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T
THAT -- SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T ADD UP HERE.
ADD UP HERE. I WILL SAY THERE IS ONE LAST
I WILL SAY THERE IS ONE LAST IMPLICATION, THOUGH, OF THIS
IMPLICATION, THOUGH, OF THIS REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES."
REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES." WHEN'S THE LAST TIME OVER THIS
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME OVER THIS WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS THAT YOU
WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS THAT YOU REMEMBER SEEING REPORTING THAT
REMEMBER SEEING REPORTING THAT SOURCED TO MUELLER'S
SOURCED TO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS?
INVESTIGATORS? MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY,
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY, MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD.
TOLD. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW REPORTING LIKE THAT?
REPORTING LIKE THAT? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN REPORTING LIKE
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN REPORTING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
THAT BEFORE. ONE OF THE OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF
ONE OF THE OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF THIS REPORTING TONIGHT IS THAT
THIS REPORTING TONIGHT IS THAT WHATEVER WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING
WHATEVER WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO DO WITH MUELLER'S REPORT, IT
TO DO WITH MUELLER'S REPORT, IT APPEARS TO BE RUBBING ROBERT
APPEARS TO BE RUBBING ROBERT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THE WRONG
MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THE WRONG WAY.
WAY. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS, THEY
WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS, THEY APPEAR TO BE WILLING TO SQUAWK
APPEAR TO BE WILLING TO SQUAWK TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC NOISE TO
TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC NOISE TO MAKE SURE THEIR FINDINGS ARE NOT
MAKE SURE THEIR FINDINGS ARE NOT ABUSED OR MISCHARACTERIZED OR
ABUSED OR MISCHARACTERIZED OR SUBMARINED.
SUBMARINED. MAYBE THERE WILL BE NOW A NEW
MAYBE THERE WILL BE NOW A NEW VOICE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM
VOICE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THEMSELVES.
MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THEMSELVES. THEY'VE BEEN SILENT THROUGHOUT
THEY'VE BEEN SILENT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. NOW WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR FROM
NOW WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR FROM THEM.
THEM. JOINING US NOW IS NEAL KATYAL,
JOINING US NOW IS NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL
FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE JUSTICE
HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS THAT
DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS THAT DEFINE THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL
DEFINE THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL COUNSEL.
COUNSEL. NEAL, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU
NEAL, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT.
HERE TONIGHT. THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT
THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT NOTICE.
NOTICE. >> THANKS, RACHEL.
>> THANKS, RACHEL. >> LET ME JUST ASK YOU, I KNOW
>> LET ME JUST ASK YOU, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A TIME TO READ THIS
YOU'VE HAD A TIME TO READ THIS "TIMES" REPORT.
"TIMES" REPORT. I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD MY SORT OF
I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD MY SORT OF TAKEAWAYS FROM IT.
TAKEAWAYS FROM IT. LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK IS
LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT FROM IT AND WHAT YOU
IMPORTANT FROM IT AND WHAT YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND
THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS NEW REPORTING.
ABOUT THIS NEW REPORTING. >> WELL, TOTALLY CLEARS THE
>> WELL, TOTALLY CLEARS THE PRESIDENT, NO, RACHEL.
PRESIDENT, NO, RACHEL. IT'S OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THIS
IT'S OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THIS REPORTING SHOWS TO BE A LOT MORE
REPORTING SHOWS TO BE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
COMPLICATED THAN THAT. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THOSE
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THOSE WORDS AND HIS ADVISERS THAT THE
WORDS AND HIS ADVISERS THAT THE MUELLER REPORT CLEARS HIM
MUELLER REPORT CLEARS HIM TOTALLY, AND THE LIKE, AND
TOTALLY, AND THE LIKE, AND THEY'VE GOT TO PROVE IT UP NOW.
THEY'VE GOT TO PROVE IT UP NOW. AND LAST WEEK TRUMP SAID THAT
AND LAST WEEK TRUMP SAID THAT THE REPORT CLEARS HIM AND HE
THE REPORT CLEARS HIM AND HE WANTS THE PUBLIC -- HE WANTS THE
WANTS THE PUBLIC -- HE WANTS THE MUELLER REPORT TO BE PUBLICLY
MUELLER REPORT TO BE PUBLICLY RELEASED.
RELEASED. AND TODAY HE SWITCHED TUNES IN A
AND TODAY HE SWITCHED TUNES IN A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAID
PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAID HUH-UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE
HUH-UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE RELEASED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,
RELEASED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE.
EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE. I THINK WHAT'S REALLY
I THINK WHAT'S REALLY EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THIS, AS YOU
EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THIS, AS YOU WERE SAYING JUST TOWARDS THE END
WERE SAYING JUST TOWARDS THE END OF YOUR DISCUSSION, WE'VE GONE
OF YOUR DISCUSSION, WE'VE GONE 22 MONTHS.
22 MONTHS. WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM
WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM TEAM MUELLER UNTIL TONIGHT.
TEAM MUELLER UNTIL TONIGHT. AND THAT JUST I THINK
AND THAT JUST I THINK UNDERSCORES THAT WHAT BARR DID
UNDERSCORES THAT WHAT BARR DID IN THOSE TWO LETTERS AND THE
IN THOSE TWO LETTERS AND THE GAMES HE'S BEEN PLAYING ARE
GAMES HE'S BEEN PLAYING ARE DEEPLY DAMAGING AND THE MUELLER
DEEPLY DAMAGING AND THE MUELLER TEAM IS EVIDENTLY NOT GOING TO
TEAM IS EVIDENTLY NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT.
STAND FOR IT. >> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS
>> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THIS IS
COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THIS IS "THE TIMES" HAS GOT THREE VERY
"THE TIMES" HAS GOT THREE VERY IMPRESSIVE REPORTERS BY-LINED ON
IMPRESSIVE REPORTERS BY-LINED ON THIS.
THIS. THEY'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC
THEY'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPES OF SOURCES
ABOUT THE TYPES OF SOURCES THEY'VE GOT HERE, BUT THEIR
THEY'VE GOT HERE, BUT THEIR SOURCES ARE UNNAMED.
SOURCES ARE UNNAMED. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING ALL ALONG
I HAVE BEEN WONDERING ALL ALONG IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR
IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR WILLIAM BARR SPECIFICALLY REALLY
WILLIAM BARR SPECIFICALLY REALLY TRIED TO ABUSE MUELLER'S
TRIED TO ABUSE MUELLER'S FINDINGS, TRIED TO
FINDINGS, TRIED TO MISCHARACTERIZE THEM, TRIED TO
MISCHARACTERIZE THEM, TRIED TO SUBMARINE THEM, TRIED TO
SUBMARINE THEM, TRIED TO REPRESENT THEM TO THE AMERICAN
REPRESENT THEM TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR TO CONGRESS IN A WAY
PEOPLE OR TO CONGRESS IN A WAY THAT MUELLER FELT WAS NOT FAIR.
THAT MUELLER FELT WAS NOT FAIR. WOULD HE SURFACE HIMSELF AS A
WOULD HE SURFACE HIMSELF AS A VOICE?
VOICE? OR DO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
OR DO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AGAIN, THAT YOU
REGULATIONS, AGAIN, THAT YOU WROTE ESSENTIALLY MAKE HIM SO
WROTE ESSENTIALLY MAKE HIM SO SUBORDINATE TO THE ATTORNEY
SUBORDINATE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THIS POINT IN THE
GENERAL AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR
PROCESS THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED
HIMSELF, THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATE FOR THE
TO ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATE FOR THE FAIR TREATMENT OF HIS OWN
FAIR TREATMENT OF HIS OWN FINDINGS?
FINDINGS? >> NO.
>> NO. WE ANTICIPATED THIS.
WE ANTICIPATED THIS. THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE JUSTICE
COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ONCE MUELLER
DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ONCE MUELLER LEAVES AND THE ATTORNEYS IN HIS
LEAVES AND THE ATTORNEYS IN HIS OFFICE LEAVE, THEY HAVE MORE
OFFICE LEAVE, THEY HAVE MORE FREEDOM TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS ON
FREEDOM TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN THAN
MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN THAN THEY MIGHT AS DEPARTMENT
THEY MIGHT AS DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES. AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT
AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT EXISTS THAT WAY.
EXISTS THAT WAY. AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE
AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS,
SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GIVES
BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE FULL
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE FULL PROSECUTION POWER, THE IDEA IS
PROSECUTION POWER, THE IDEA IS TO SAY ATTORNEY GENERAL, IF YOU
TO SAY ATTORNEY GENERAL, IF YOU START MESSING WITH THE SPECIAL
START MESSING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE
COUNSEL, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. THERE'S GOT TO BE SUNLIGHT ON
THERE'S GOT TO BE SUNLIGHT ON THAT.
THAT. AND THE ULTIMATE SAFEGUARD IS
AND THE ULTIMATE SAFEGUARD IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING PLAY OUT
WHAT WE'RE SEEING PLAY OUT TONIGHT, WHICH IS IF AN ATTORNEY
TONIGHT, WHICH IS IF AN ATTORNEY GENERAL STARTS TO ABUSE THE
GENERAL STARTS TO ABUSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S REPORT, ABUSE
SPECIAL COUNSEL'S REPORT, ABUSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS,
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, THEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WILL
THEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WILL COME FORWARD AND SHED SUNLIGHT
COME FORWARD AND SHED SUNLIGHT INTO WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A
INTO WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A COVER-UP.
COVER-UP. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE NOW, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS
TO SEE NOW, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A COVER-UP.
LIKE A COVER-UP. NOW IT MIGHT NOT BE.
NOW IT MIGHT NOT BE. IT MIGHT BE THERE ARE TOTALLY
IT MIGHT BE THERE ARE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THIS.
LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THIS. BUT SO FAR BARR HAS GIVEN NOBODY
BUT SO FAR BARR HAS GIVEN NOBODY ANY REASON TO THINK THAT THIS IS
ANY REASON TO THINK THAT THIS IS ALL ON THE UP AND UP.
ALL ON THE UP AND UP. IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S PROTECTING
IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S PROTECTING HIS GUY, AND THAT'S WHY THE
HIS GUY, AND THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS AND
SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS AND INDEED ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS OF
INDEED ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS OF PRESIDENTS SUCH AS NIXON, SUCH
PRESIDENTS SUCH AS NIXON, SUCH AS CLINTON, THE SPECIAL
AS CLINTON, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR REPORT COMES OUT
PROSECUTOR REPORT COMES OUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GUARANTEES
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GUARANTEES PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE
PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. AND IT'S GOT TO COME OUT NOW.
AND IT'S GOT TO COME OUT NOW. I MEAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE
I MEAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE THING IF BARR HADN'T WROTE THOSE
THING IF BARR HADN'T WROTE THOSE TWO SUMMARY/NONSUMMARY, WHATEVER
TWO SUMMARY/NONSUMMARY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT LETTERS, BUT BARR
YOU CALL IT LETTERS, BUT BARR DID.
DID. HE TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO CLEAR
HE TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO CLEAR PRESIDENT TRUMP ON STUFF THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP ON STUFF THAT MUELLER DIDN'T CLEAR HIM ON.
MUELLER DIDN'T CLEAR HIM ON. AND AT THAT POINT, IT STARTS TO
AND AT THAT POINT, IT STARTS TO LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE A COVER-UP
LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE A COVER-UP AND WHY THE REPORT HAS TO BE
AND WHY THE REPORT HAS TO BE RELEASED.
RELEASED. >> NEAL, BRIEFLY, ONE LAST
>> NEAL, BRIEFLY, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS POINT ABOUT
QUESTION ON THIS POINT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT.
WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT. OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS AUTHORIZED
OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS AUTHORIZED SUBPOENA TODAY IN THE JUDICIARY
SUBPOENA TODAY IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, A LOT OF INTERESTING
COMMITTEE, A LOT OF INTERESTING AND ACTUALLY I THOUGHT QUITE
AND ACTUALLY I THOUGHT QUITE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION IN THE
SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY AS TO
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ATTORNEY
WHETHER OR NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO
GENERAL IS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO BE PERSONALLY GOING THROUGH THE
BE PERSONALLY GOING THROUGH THE MUELLER REPORT AND TAKING GRAND
MUELLER REPORT AND TAKING GRAND JURY MATERIAL OUT OF THAT,
JURY MATERIAL OUT OF THAT, SAYING THAT THAT CAN'T BE
SAYING THAT THAT CAN'T BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS.
CONVEYED TO CONGRESS. A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE
A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF SOME ENTITY,
THE PROSPECT OF SOME ENTITY, MAYBE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
MAYBE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ITSELF, SOME ENTITY GOING TO THE
ITSELF, SOME ENTITY GOING TO THE COURT, GOING TO ASK FOR A COURT
COURT, GOING TO ASK FOR A COURT ORDER, FILING A LAWSUIT OR
ORDER, FILING A LAWSUIT OR MAKING A MOTION WITH THE COURT
MAKING A MOTION WITH THE COURT SO THAT GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN
SO THAT GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS, MUCH AS
BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS, MUCH AS HAPPENED WITH THE WATERGATE ROAD
HAPPENED WITH THE WATERGATE ROAD MAP IN 1974 AND WITH OTHER
MAP IN 1974 AND WITH OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL.
INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL. IF BARR DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT
IF BARR DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT AND HE SO FAR HASN'T RESPONDED
AND HE SO FAR HASN'T RESPONDED TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS
TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS ASKING HIM TO MAKE THAT REQUEST
ASKING HIM TO MAKE THAT REQUEST OF THE COURT, IS IT POSSIBLE
OF THE COURT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MUELLER HIMSELF, THAT
THAT MUELLER HIMSELF, THAT MUELLER'S TEAM AS THE SPECIAL
MUELLER'S TEAM AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE COULD MAKE THAT
COUNSEL'S OFFICE COULD MAKE THAT SORT OF A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE,
SORT OF A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE, THAT THE GRAND JURY INFORMATION
THAT THE GRAND JURY INFORMATION BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS?
BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS? >> YES, MUELLER CAN DO IT OR
>> YES, MUELLER CAN DO IT OR CONGRESS CAN DO IT ON ITS OWN OR
CONGRESS CAN DO IT ON ITS OWN OR EVEN A THIRD PARTY.
EVEN A THIRD PARTY. SO BARR IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS
SO BARR IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN'T BE
GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN'T BE RELEASED ABSENT A COURT ORDER.
RELEASED ABSENT A COURT ORDER. BUT HE COULD HAVE SOUGHT THAT
BUT HE COULD HAVE SOUGHT THAT COURT ORDER LAST MONDAY, NINE
COURT ORDER LAST MONDAY, NINE DAYS AGO.
DAYS AGO. AND HE HASN'T DONE IT YET.
AND HE HASN'T DONE IT YET. SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT
SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT GRAND JURY
REALLY ABOUT GRAND JURY INFORMATION.
INFORMATION. IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO
IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT CERTAIN INFORMATION,
PROTECT CERTAIN INFORMATION, PERHAPS DAMAGING INFORMATION
PERHAPS DAMAGING INFORMATION FROM COMING OUT.
FROM COMING OUT. AND IF HE ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT
AND IF HE ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT RULE 60, HE COULD GO TO COURT
RULE 60, HE COULD GO TO COURT TOMORROW AND GET THIS THING
TOMORROW AND GET THIS THING LIFTED.
LIFTED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN WATERGATE, EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
WATERGATE, EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, AND
IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, AND IT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE.
IT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE. >> NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING
>> NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL.
SOLICITOR GENERAL. SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WEIGHING IN TONIGHT.
WEIGHING IN TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO HAVE
>> IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS.
YOU HERE ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS. UP NEXT, THE NEWS THAT ON ANY
UP NEXT, THE NEWS THAT ON ANY OTHER NIGHT WOULD HAVE LED THE
OTHER NIGHT WOULD HAVE LED THE SHOW FOR A WEEK, BUT WE'LL BE

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