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THE YANKEES SWEEP THE RED SOX WHILE YOU WERE IN LONDON. WHILE YOU WERE IN LONDON. K.D. AND KYRIE COMING TO K.D. AND KYRIE COMING TO BROOKLYN AND NOT TO THE KNICKS. BROOKLYN AND NOT TO THE KNICKS. WE'LL TACKLE THOSE COMING UP. WE'LL TACKLE THOSE COMING UP. IF CHAIRMAN KIM OF NORTH KOREA IF CHAIRMAN KIM OF NORTH KOREA SEES THIS, I WOULD MEET HIM AT SEES THIS, I WOULD MEET HIM AT THE BORDER DMZ JUST TO SHAKE HIS THE BORDER DMZ JUST TO SHAKE HIS HAND AND SAY HELLO. HAND AND SAY HELLO. FOLLOWED BY A QUESTION MARK AND FOLLOWED BY A QUESTION MARK AND AN EXCLAMATION POINT. AN EXCLAMATION POINT. KIM JONG-UN APPARENTLY SAW THE KIM JONG-UN APPARENTLY SAW THE TWEET YESTERDAY, LEADING TWEET YESTERDAY, LEADING PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER THE BORDER PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER THE BORDER AT THE HEAVILY FORTIFIED AT THE HEAVILY FORTIFIED DEMILITARIZED ZONE. DEMILITARIZED ZONE. TOGETHER THEY HELD A BRIEF TOGETHER THEY HELD A BRIEF PHOTO-OP FOR NORTH KOREAN PHOTO-OP FOR NORTH KOREAN PHOTOGRAPHERS. PHOTOGRAPHERS. AFTER ABOUT A MINUTE, PRESIDENT AFTER ABOUT A MINUTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP LED KIM IN TO SOUTH KOREA TRUMP LED KIM IN TO SOUTH KOREA WHERE THEY ADDRESSED REPORTERS WHERE THEY ADDRESSED REPORTERS BEFORE ENTERING THE FREEDOM BEFORE ENTERING THE FREEDOM HOUSE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR LONG HOUSE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR LONG PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH SOUTH PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH SOUTH KOREAN PRESIDENT MOON JAE-IN. KOREAN PRESIDENT MOON JAE-IN. >> I'D INVITE HIM TO THE WHITE >> I'D INVITE HIM TO THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS MY HONOR. MY HONOR. I DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT IT. I DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT IT. WE WERE IN JAPAN FOR THE G20 WE WE WERE IN JAPAN FOR THE G20 WE CAME OVER AND I SAID, HEY, I'M CAME OVER AND I SAID, HEY, I'M OVER HERE. OVER HERE. I WANT TO CALL CHAIRMAN KIM. I WANT TO CALL CHAIRMAN KIM. AND WE GOT TO MEET AND STEPPING AND WE GOT TO MEET AND STEPPING ACROSS THAT LINE WAS A GREAT ACROSS THAT LINE WAS A GREAT HONOR. HONOR. A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. A LOT OF FRIENDSHIPS HAVE BEEN A LOT OF FRIENDSHIPS HAVE BEEN MADE AND THIS HAS BEEN IN MADE AND THIS HAS BEEN IN PARTICULAR A GREAT FRIENDSHIP. PARTICULAR A GREAT FRIENDSHIP. TREMENDOUS POSITIVITY. TREMENDOUS POSITIVITY. REALLY GREAT THINGS ARE REALLY GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND IN A LOT OF PLACES HAPPENING AND IN A LOT OF PLACES BUT WE MET AND WE LIKED EACH BUT WE MET AND WE LIKED EACH OTHER FROM DAY ONE. OTHER FROM DAY ONE. THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S MY HONOR, AND IT'S THE IT'S MY HONOR, AND IT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S HONOR WE WORK WELL CHAIRMAN'S HONOR WE WORK WELL TOGETHER. TOGETHER. >> I WANT TO THANK CHAIRMAN KIM >> I WANT TO THANK CHAIRMAN KIM FOR SOMETHING ELSE. FOR SOMETHING ELSE. WHEN I PUT OUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA WHEN I PUT OUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA NOTIFICATION IF HE DIDN'T SHOW NOTIFICATION IF HE DIDN'T SHOW UP THE PRESS WAS GOING TO MAKE UP THE PRESS WAS GOING TO MAKE ME LOOK VERY BAD. ME LOOK VERY BAD. SO YOU HAVE MADE US BOTH LOOK SO YOU HAVE MADE US BOTH LOOK GOOD AND I APPRECIATE IT. GOOD AND I APPRECIATE IT. AND IT'S JUST AN HONOR TO BE AND IT'S JUST AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU AND IT WAS AN HONOR WITH YOU AND IT WAS AN HONOR THAT YOU ASKED ME TO STEP OVER THAT YOU ASKED ME TO STEP OVER THAT LINE AND I WAS PROUD TO THAT LINE AND I WAS PROUD TO STEP OVER THE LINE. STEP OVER THE LINE. I WANT TO THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN GREAT. IT'S BEEN GREAT. IT'S BEEN GREAT. IT'S BEEN GREAT. VERY HISTORIC. VERY HISTORIC. >> AS I SAID, JONATHAN LEMIRE >> AS I SAID, JONATHAN LEMIRE WAS THERE. WAS THERE. I WANT TO GET THE FULLBACK STORY I WANT TO GET THE FULLBACK STORY FROM JON IN A SECOND. FROM JON IN A SECOND. BUT I WANT TO GO AROUND THE BUT I WANT TO GO AROUND THE TABLE. TABLE. QUICKLY, RICHARD, YOUR TRAINED QUICKLY, RICHARD, YOUR TRAINED MIND AS A FOREIGN POLICY ANALYST MIND AS A FOREIGN POLICY ANALYST YOU WATCH THAT HAND SHAKE AT THE YOU WATCH THAT HAND SHAKE AT THE DMZ FIRST AND THEN LISTEN TO THE DMZ FIRST AND THEN LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AFTERWARDS WHAT ARE COMMENTS AFTERWARDS WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YOUR THOUGHTS? >> IT'S STILL A TOTAL EMPHASIS >> IT'S STILL A TOTAL EMPHASIS ON PERSONAL DIPLOMACY. ON PERSONAL DIPLOMACY. MEETINGS ARE MEANT TO BE A MEANS MEETINGS ARE MEANT TO BE A MEANS TO AN END AND "THE NEW YORK TO AN END AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES" STORY THAT THE TIMES" STORY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS REPORTEDLY -- ADMINISTRATION IS REPORTEDLY -- REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING SOMETHING REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING SOMETHING LESS THAN DEMANDING LESS THAN DEMANDING DENUCLEARIZATION WHAT YOU MIGHT DENUCLEARIZATION WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING. CALL SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING. THE NORTH KOREANS WOULD ACCEPT THE NORTH KOREANS WOULD ACCEPT CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT WOULD BE CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITY OF REAL THE POSSIBILITY OF REAL DIPLOMACY. DIPLOMACY. IT MIGHT TAP IT OR MANAGE IT, IT MIGHT TAP IT OR MANAGE IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL. BUT THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL. BUT WHAT WE SAW THE OTHER DAY, BUT WHAT WE SAW THE OTHER DAY, NO. NO. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T ANYTHING. ANYTHING. AND QUITE HONESTLY, WILLIE, IT'S AND QUITE HONESTLY, WILLIE, IT'S NOT JUST THE PERSONALIZATION OF NOT JUST THE PERSONALIZATION OF FOREIGN POLICY BUT TO KEEP FOREIGN POLICY BUT TO KEEP CALLING HIM A FRIEND AND BE SO CALLING HIM A FRIEND AND BE SO FLATTERING THIS IS A GUY WHO IS FLATTERING THIS IS A GUY WHO IS A DICTATOR. A DICTATOR. THE WORD DICTATOR IS OVERUSED THE WORD DICTATOR IS OVERUSED BUT HE DESERVES THE DESCRIPTION. BUT HE DESERVES THE DESCRIPTION. HE'S A TYRANT. HE'S A TYRANT. WHAT'S HAPPENED INSIDE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED INSIDE THAT COUNTRY HAS BEEN A SLOW MOTION COUNTRY HAS BEEN A SLOW MOTION GENOCIDE. GENOCIDE. >> ELISE, WHAT DID YOU THINK? >> ELISE, WHAT DID YOU THINK? >> IT MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE. >> IT MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE. JUST ME VISCERAL REACTION AS AN JUST ME VISCERAL REACTION AS AN AMERICAN WHO CARES ABOUT AMERICAN WHO CARES ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS THE DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO KISS UP JUST OUT OF HIS WAY TO KISS UP JUST TO THIS MONSTER, INSTEAD OF TO THIS MONSTER, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY PROJECTING STRENGTH. ACTUALLY PROJECTING STRENGTH. WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN FROM THE WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN FROM THE NORTH KOREANS FOR ALL THIS POMP NORTH KOREANS FOR ALL THIS POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE AND THE AND CIRCUMSTANCE AND THE PROPAGANDA COUP OF HAVING THE PROPAGANDA COUP OF HAVING THE PRESIDENT CROSSING INTO THE PRESIDENT CROSSING INTO THE NORTH KOREA OTHER THAN NORTH KOREA OTHER THAN DIMINISHING OUR OWN STANDING IN DIMINISHING OUR OWN STANDING IN THE THE WORLD. THE THE WORLD. >> NORTH KOREA HAD AGREED TO >> NORTH KOREA HAD AGREED TO DENUCLEARIZE, BUT THAT HASN'T DENUCLEARIZE, BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE YEAR OR SO SINCE HAPPENED IN THE YEAR OR SO SINCE THEN SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THEN SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT COMES FROM THAT HAND SHAKE? WHAT COMES FROM THAT HAND SHAKE? IS IT A MEANS TO AN END OR JUST IS IT A MEANS TO AN END OR JUST A PHOTO-OP? A PHOTO-OP? >> WELL, IT'S SYMBOLISM OVER >> WELL, IT'S SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE RIGHT NOW. SUBSTANCE RIGHT NOW. IS IT HARMLESS OR HARMFUL AND I IS IT HARMLESS OR HARMFUL AND I WOULD ARGUE IN THE YEAR SINCE WOULD ARGUE IN THE YEAR SINCE THE SINGAPORE SUMMIT THE NORTH THE SINGAPORE SUMMIT THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME HAS ADVANCED ITS KOREAN REGIME HAS ADVANCED ITS NUCLEAR MISSILE CAPABILITY. NUCLEAR MISSILE CAPABILITY. THEY HAVE TEST FIRED SHORT RANGE THEY HAVE TEST FIRED SHORT RANGE MISSILES. MISSILES. THEY HAVE PROBABLY CONTINUED A THEY HAVE PROBABLY CONTINUED A LOT OF WORK ON THE NUCLEAR LOT OF WORK ON THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM. PROGRAM. THEY HAVEN'T DISCLOSED AND THEY HAVEN'T DISCLOSED AND PROVIDED AN ACCOUNTING FOR ALL PROVIDED AN ACCOUNTING FOR ALL OF THE UNDISCLOSED SIDES SO FOR OF THE UNDISCLOSED SIDES SO FOR KIM HE'S PLAYING THE LONG GAME. KIM HE'S PLAYING THE LONG GAME. HE IS INCREASING THE HE IS INCREASING THE CAPABILITIES ALL THE WAY WHILE CAPABILITIES ALL THE WAY WHILE TAKING A VICTORY LAP, WOW WE GOT TAKING A VICTORY LAP, WOW WE GOT TO STEP OVER THE LINE AND HAVE A TO STEP OVER THE LINE AND HAVE A PHOTO-OP. PHOTO-OP. >> SO DAVID IGNATIUS, THAT "NEW >> SO DAVID IGNATIUS, THAT "NEW YORK TIMES" SUGGESTS THAT THE YORK TIMES" SUGGESTS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS CONSIDERING ACCEPTING NOT FULL CONSIDERING ACCEPTING NOT FULL DENUCLEARIZATION BUT A FREEZE AT DENUCLEARIZATION BUT A FREEZE AT THIS MOMENT OF WHERE NORTH KOREA THIS MOMENT OF WHERE NORTH KOREA IS, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD HAVE IS, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD HAVE CAPABILITY IN TERMS FOR CAPABILITY IN TERMS FOR SANCTIONS RELIEF. SANCTIONS RELIEF. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> IT'S COMING BACK TO WHERE >> IT'S COMING BACK TO WHERE NORTH KOREA WAS AT THE TIME OF NORTH KOREA WAS AT THE TIME OF THE HANOI SUMMIT IN FEBRUARY. THE HANOI SUMMIT IN FEBRUARY. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> WHERE THE NORTH KOREANS >> WHERE THE NORTH KOREANS OFFERED A LIMITED CLOSURE OF OFFERED A LIMITED CLOSURE OF THEIR NUCLEAR FACILITY. THEIR NUCLEAR FACILITY. PRESIDENT TRUMP I THINK WISELY PRESIDENT TRUMP I THINK WISELY REJECTED THAT. REJECTED THAT. AT THE SUMMIT BROKE UP. AT THE SUMMIT BROKE UP. IT WAS A HUMILIATION FOR BOTH, IT WAS A HUMILIATION FOR BOTH, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE NORTH BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE NORTH KOREANS. KOREANS. KIM JONG-UN HAS BEEN THINKING KIM JONG-UN HAS BEEN THINKING AND WORRYING ABOUT THAT AND AND WORRYING ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S A SENSE THAT BOTH SIDES THAT'S A SENSE THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN EXPLORING WHAT HAVE BEEN EXPLORING WHAT SOMETIMES IS CALLED A PLUS, SOME SOMETIMES IS CALLED A PLUS, SOME ADDITIONAL FACILITIES OUTSIDE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES OUTSIDE THE FENCE LINE IN THE JUNGGUN THE FENCE LINE IN THE JUNGGUN AREA THAT ARE CRUCIAL TO THE AREA THAT ARE CRUCIAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT. IF THAT'S NOW THE REALM OF IF THAT'S NOW THE REALM OF DISCUSSION, EXPLORATION, THAT'S DISCUSSION, EXPLORATION, THAT'S GOOD. GOOD. THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE STEP. THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE STEP. THE OTHER THING I TAKE AS THE OTHER THING I TAKE AS POSITIVE IN THIS -- AND I HAVE A POSITIVE IN THIS -- AND I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW THAN I SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW THAN I THINK ELISE AND RICHARD AND THINK ELISE AND RICHARD AND JEREMY, THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, JEREMY, THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, PHOTO-OP DIPLOMACY BUT IT SEEMS PHOTO-OP DIPLOMACY BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THE OPENING OF THE KIND OF TO BE THE OPENING OF THE KIND OF WORKING LEVEL DISCUSSIONS THAT WORKING LEVEL DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL BE PART OF A REAL WILL BE PART OF A REAL DENUCLEARIZATION PROCESS. DENUCLEARIZATION PROCESS. TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT TRUMP SAID WITH ALL OF THE THAT TRUMP SAID WITH ALL OF THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BLANDISHMENT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BLANDISHMENT OF KIM IS MY FRIEND, SPEED IS OF KIM IS MY FRIEND, SPEED IS NOT AN OBJECT IN THE TALKS. NOT AN OBJECT IN THE TALKS. HE IS FINALLY RECOGNIZING THAT HE IS FINALLY RECOGNIZING THAT DENUCLEARIZATION IS A LONG, DENUCLEARIZATION IS A LONG, COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT IS STEP COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT IS STEP BY STEP. BY STEP. IF THIS NEXT IDEA, JUNGIAN PLUS IF THIS NEXT IDEA, JUNGIAN PLUS I WANT TO CALL IT AGAIN, THAT I WANT TO CALL IT AGAIN, THAT SOUNDS APPROPRIATE. SOUNDS APPROPRIATE. IN THE AREA OF WHERE WE SHOULD IN THE AREA OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE NOW. BE NOW. I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASSESS THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASSESS THAT THIS IS IN ANY SENSE AN THIS IS IN ANY SENSE AN ACHIEVEMENT OF SOMETHING ACHIEVEMENT OF SOMETHING CONCRETE. CONCRETE. IT HASN'T MADE THE WORLD SAFER IT HASN'T MADE THE WORLD SAFER BUT A REHABILITATION OF A BUT A REHABILITATION OF A PROCESS OF TALKS THAT ARE GOOD PROCESS OF TALKS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE U.S. SECURITY, GOOD FOR FOR THE U.S. SECURITY, GOOD FOR NORTHWEST ASIA. NORTHWEST ASIA. >> JONATHAN LEMIRE, I WOKE UP >> JONATHAN LEMIRE, I WOKE UP YESTERDAY MORNING, GETTING READY YESTERDAY MORNING, GETTING READY FOR "THE SUNDAY TODAY" SHOW AND FOR "THE SUNDAY TODAY" SHOW AND I SHOW YOUR VIDEO THAT YOU HAD I SHOW YOUR VIDEO THAT YOU HAD SENT OUT, PHOTOGRAPHS. SENT OUT, PHOTOGRAPHS. YOU WERE RIGHT THERE WHEN THE YOU WERE RIGHT THERE WHEN THE HISTORY WAS BEING MADE BUT WAS HISTORY WAS BEING MADE BUT WAS IT AS IMPROMPTU AS THE PRESIDENT IT AS IMPROMPTU AS THE PRESIDENT HAS LET ON? HAS LET ON? WAS IT REALLY JUST A TWEET THAT WAS IT REALLY JUST A TWEET THAT KIM JONG-UN AND HE PEOPLE HEARD KIM JONG-UN AND HE PEOPLE HEARD ABOUT AND THEY AGREED TO STEP ABOUT AND THEY AGREED TO STEP INTO THE DMZ ZONE? INTO THE DMZ ZONE? >> LET'S FLASH BACK WHEN THE >> LET'S FLASH BACK WHEN THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO MAKE THE FIRST VISIT TO THE DMZ. FIRST VISIT TO THE DMZ. MIND YOU THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF MIND YOU THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF THE RHETORIC LIKE FIRE AND FURY THE RHETORIC LIKE FIRE AND FURY WHEN THE TWO NATIONS SEEMED TO WHEN THE TWO NATIONS SEEMED TO BE ON A COLLISION COURSE PERHAPS BE ON A COLLISION COURSE PERHAPS EVEN FOR CONFLICT. EVEN FOR CONFLICT. AT THAT TIME, THE PRESIDENT, YOU AT THAT TIME, THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THAT TRIP AS KNOW, I WAS ON THAT TRIP AS WELL. WELL. WE WERE FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM WE WERE FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM THE BORDER WHEN THEY HAD TO TURN THE BORDER WHEN THEY HAD TO TURN THE HELICOPTERS AROUND BECAUSE THE HELICOPTERS AROUND BECAUSE THE FOG WAS TOO DENSE TO LAND. THE FOG WAS TOO DENSE TO LAND. BUT THAT TRIP WAS SHROUDED IN BUT THAT TRIP WAS SHROUDED IN SUCH SECRECY THAT WHEN SARAH SUCH SECRECY THAT WHEN SARAH SANDERS WOULDN'T SAY IT ABOUT SANDERS WOULDN'T SAY IT ABOUT IT, SHE WOULDN'T SAY THE WORDS IT, SHE WOULDN'T SAY THE WORDS DMZ OUT LOUD, BUT WROTE IT DOWN. DMZ OUT LOUD, BUT WROTE IT DOWN. THE TRIP TO THE DMZ HAS BEEN IN THE TRIP TO THE DMZ HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR THE WEEKS. THE WORKS FOR THE WEEKS. THE WHITE HOUSE WOULDN'T THE WHITE HOUSE WOULDN'T OFFICIALLY CONFIRM IT, BUT WE OFFICIALLY CONFIRM IT, BUT WE KNEW THAT WAS COMING. KNEW THAT WAS COMING. THE KIM INVITATION DOES APPEAR THE KIM INVITATION DOES APPEAR TO BE RELATIVELY SPONTANEOUS. TO BE RELATIVELY SPONTANEOUS. TAKING BOTH GOVERNMENTS, U.S. TAKING BOTH GOVERNMENTS, U.S. AND SOUTH KOREA, BY SURPRISE. AND SOUTH KOREA, BY SURPRISE. WHEN THE PRESIDENT OFFERED IT WHEN THE PRESIDENT OFFERED IT OVER TWITTER WHILE WE WERE STILL OVER TWITTER WHILE WE WERE STILL IN JAPAN ON SATURDAY. IN JAPAN ON SATURDAY. WITH, YOU KNOW -- BY THE END OF WITH, YOU KNOW -- BY THE END OF THAT DAY THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THAT DAY THERE WAS A SENSE THAT CHAIRMAN KIM WOULD SHOW UP. CHAIRMAN KIM WOULD SHOW UP. THE WHITE HOUSE OF COURSE DID THE WHITE HOUSE OF COURSE DID NOT CONFIRM THAT. NOT CONFIRM THAT. UNTIL JUST A FEW HOURS BEFORE WE UNTIL JUST A FEW HOURS BEFORE WE WENT TO THE DMZ. WENT TO THE DMZ. IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY SCENE. IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY SCENE. QUESTIONS NEED TO BE RAISED QUESTIONS NEED TO BE RAISED ABOUT WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS. ABOUT WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS. AS WE TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THIS AS WE TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHOSE FOREIGN IS A PRESIDENT WHOSE FOREIGN POLICY SEEMS TO BE ABOUT POLICY SEEMS TO BE ABOUT PERSONAL RAPPORT WITH FOREIGN PERSONAL RAPPORT WITH FOREIGN LEADERS. LEADERS. WE SAW IT IN OTHER EXAMPLES AS WE SAW IT IN OTHER EXAMPLES AS WELL WITH CHAIRMAN XI OF CHINA WELL WITH CHAIRMAN XI OF CHINA AND CROWN PRINCE BIN SALMAN AND AND CROWN PRINCE BIN SALMAN AND VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THE PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THE PRESIDENT SEEMED MORE INTERESTED IN SEEMED MORE INTERESTED IN TOUTING THE RELATIONSHIP THAN TOUTING THE RELATIONSHIP THAN EXTRACTING ANY KIND OF POLICY EXTRACTING ANY KIND OF POLICY SUCCESS. SUCCESS. IT WAS A MOMENT FOR HISTORY. IT WAS A MOMENT FOR HISTORY. THAT IMAGES, YOU KNOW, RESONATED THAT IMAGES, YOU KNOW, RESONATED AROUND THE GLOBE AT LEAST FOR AROUND THE GLOBE AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING WHAT WE SAW THE TIME BEING WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE YESTERDAY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE MEDIA HAD A BIT OF A SCUFFLE MEDIA HAD A BIT OF A SCUFFLE WITH NORTH KOREA'S SECURITY IN WITH NORTH KOREA'S SECURITY IN ORDER TO WATCH IT. ORDER TO WATCH IT. BUT THE PRESIDENT WENT UP TO THE BUT THE PRESIDENT WENT UP TO THE LINE. LINE. HE SHOOK KIM'S HAND AND UPON HE SHOOK KIM'S HAND AND UPON KIM'S INVITATION STEPPED OVER KIM'S INVITATION STEPPED OVER INTO NORTH KOREA AND THEN CAME INTO NORTH KOREA AND THEN CAME BACK. BACK. THAT PRESENTED CERTAINLY A THAT PRESENTED CERTAINLY A TREMENDOUS PHOTO-OP BUT IT'S TREMENDOUS PHOTO-OP BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO SEE WHAT GOING TO TAKE TIME TO SEE WHAT REALLY COMES OF THAT DAY. REALLY COMES OF THAT DAY. >> LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE >> LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, RICHARD. OF THIS, RICHARD. WHAT MUST BE LIKE IN NORTH KOREA WHAT MUST BE LIKE IN NORTH KOREA THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING. WE HAVE SEEN THE PROPAGANDA IN WE HAVE SEEN THE PROPAGANDA IN THEIR MEDIA, THIS IS SPLASHED THEIR MEDIA, THIS IS SPLASHED ALL OVER THE MEDIA AND THE ALL OVER THE MEDIA AND THE TELEVISION PROGRAMS. TELEVISION PROGRAMS. WHAT DID KIM JONG-UN GET OUT OF WHAT DID KIM JONG-UN GET OUT OF THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE? THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE? >> WELL, HE GETS THIS DEGREE OF >> WELL, HE GETS THIS DEGREE OF INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION. INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION. AND HE GETS THE PROMISE -- AND HE GETS THE PROMISE -- PROMISE OF SANCTIONS RELIEF. PROMISE OF SANCTIONS RELIEF. WHICH IS WHAT HE WANTED. WHICH IS WHAT HE WANTED. THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT'S HURTING THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT'S HURTING ECONOMICALLY. ECONOMICALLY. THEY HAVE PAID AN ENORMOUS PRICE THEY HAVE PAID AN ENORMOUS PRICE FOR THEIR CLOSEDNESS, THEIR FOR THEIR CLOSEDNESS, THEIR RESISTANCE TO MARKET CONTROL AND RESISTANCE TO MARKET CONTROL AND INNOVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INNOVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED. INTRODUCED. HE CAN HOLD OUT AS HE CAN HOLD OUT AS INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED. INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED. WE ARE A PERMANENT REALITY AS A WE ARE A PERMANENT REALITY AS A GOVERNMENT, AS A COUNTRY. GOVERNMENT, AS A COUNTRY. WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. WE'RE NO LONGER FACING THE WE'RE NO LONGER FACING THE PROSPECT OF WAR. PROSPECT OF WAR. IT LOOKED LIKE THAT A COUPLE OF IT LOOKED LIKE THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE YEARS AGO, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHANGED BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE CHANGED BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PULLED BACK. PULLED BACK. THE ONE THING I DISAGREE WITH THE ONE THING I DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT IS THE WHOLE THE PRESIDENT IS THE WHOLE PATIENCE. PATIENCE. THE IDEA THAT TIME -- WE'RE NOT THE IDEA THAT TIME -- WE'RE NOT IN ANY RUSH. IN ANY RUSH. WELL, AS JEREMY AND OTHERS HAVE WELL, AS JEREMY AND OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT WE OUGHT TO BE IN A POINTED OUT WE OUGHT TO BE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A RUSH. LITTLE BIT OF A RUSH. TIME IS NOT NEUTRAL. TIME IS NOT NEUTRAL. NORTH KOREA IS USING TIME. NORTH KOREA IS USING TIME. THEY DO NOT NEED OVERTESTING OF THEY DO NOT NEED OVERTESTING OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND LONG RANGE NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND LONG RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES TO INCREASE BALLISTIC MISSILES TO INCREASE THEIR NUMBER OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEIR NUMBER OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO CONTINUE TO INNOVATE AND TO CONTINUE TO INNOVATE AND IMPROVE THEIR LONG RANGE IMPROVE THEIR LONG RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES. BALLISTIC MISSILES. THAT'S WHERE THE PRESIDENT I THAT'S WHERE THE PRESIDENT I THINK HAS IT WRONG. THINK HAS IT WRONG. THE GOOD NEWS, NORTH KOREA WAS THE GOOD NEWS, NORTH KOREA WAS SAYING NOW 25 NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR SAYING NOW 25 NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR 40 NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT'S BETTER 40 NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT'S BETTER THAN A NORTH KOREA WITH 100 THAN A NORTH KOREA WITH 100 NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NUCLEAR WEAPONS. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND WHAT NORTH KOREA NEGOTIATE AND WHAT NORTH KOREA WOULD DO AS HISTORY SUGGESTS WOULD DO AS HISTORY SUGGESTS THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THEY THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DO, AND IF WE DO AND WHAT THEY DO, AND IF WE LOCK IN A FREEZE, A CREELING LOCK IN A FREEZE, A CREELING THAT'S BETTER THAN THE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE UNCONTROLLED, UNREGULATED UNCONTROLLED, UNREGULATED FUTURE. FUTURE. >> I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU, WHAT >> I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU, WHAT HOW DOES THIS FORESHADOW WHAT IS HOW DOES THIS FORESHADOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH IRAN? HAPPENING WITH IRAN? YOU LOOK AT NORTH KOREA AND THE YOU LOOK AT NORTH KOREA AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THIS HARD ADMINISTRATION HAS THIS HARD CORE POSITION WHERE THEY AREN'T CORE POSITION WHERE THEY AREN'T GIVING AN INCH AND NOW SUDDENLY GIVING AN INCH AND NOW SUDDENLY LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE AN INCH OVER TIME. AN INCH OVER TIME. THEN WITH IRAN, WE PROBABLY ARE THEN WITH IRAN, WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR GOING TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE DAY HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE DAY POSSIBLY. POSSIBLY. >> POSSIBLY. >> POSSIBLY. BUT I THINK -- YOU CAN ARGUE BUT I THINK -- YOU CAN ARGUE THIS ONE AROUND THE FLAP. THIS ONE AROUND THE FLAP. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION MIGHT BE WILLING ADMINISTRATION MIGHT BE WILLING TO HAVE -- YOU KNOW, IN 2015 TO HAVE -- YOU KNOW, IN 2015 NUCLEAR AGREEMENT, THE JCPOA 2.0 NUCLEAR AGREEMENT, THE JCPOA 2.0 PLUS. PLUS. AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE BALLISTIC MISSILES EITHER, THAT BALLISTIC MISSILES EITHER, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. WOULD BE GOOD. THIS SHOWS AN ADMINISTRATION THIS SHOWS AN ADMINISTRATION THAT MAY BE WILLING TO TAKE ALL THAT MAY BE WILLING TO TAKE ALL OF THEIR PRESSURE AND TURN IT OF THEIR PRESSURE AND TURN IT INTO A POLICY. INTO A POLICY. AGAIN, NOT A SOLUTION OR NOT. AGAIN, NOT A SOLUTION OR NOT. THE OTHER WAY THOUGH, THE THE OTHER WAY THOUGH, THE IRANIANS MAY BE SAYING, OH, IRANIANS MAY BE SAYING, OH, COOL, WE JUST HANG TOUGH AND COOL, WE JUST HANG TOUGH AND BASICALLY WE COULD HAVE OUR BASICALLY WE COULD HAVE OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS WELL. NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS WELL. SO THIS ONE I THINK I BET IN SO THIS ONE I THINK I BET IN TEHRAN THERE'S SOME INTERESTING TEHRAN THERE'S SOME INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS. CONVERSATIONS. >> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PIPE DREAM >> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PIPE DREAM TO THINK THAT NORTH KOREA WAS TO THINK THAT NORTH KOREA WAS GOING TO FULLY GIVE UP ITS GOING TO FULLY GIVE UP ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND IT'S ALL NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND IT'S ALL IT'S GOT IN THE WORLD. IT'S GOT IN THE WORLD. THE ONLY LEVERAGE. THE ONLY LEVERAGE. THE ONLY REASON THE PRESIDENT OF THE ONLY REASON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES STEPPED INTO THE UNITED STATES STEPPED INTO THE DMZ AND THEN WALKED INTO THE DMZ AND THEN WALKED INTO NORTH KOREA YESTERDAY. NORTH KOREA YESTERDAY. IS DENUCLEARIZATION -- GET RID IS DENUCLEARIZATION -- GET RID OF THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM A PIPE OF THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM A PIPE DREAM? DREAM? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ULTIMATELY ACHIEVABLE, BUT I ULTIMATELY ACHIEVABLE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK HARD THINK WE HAVE TO WORK HARD TOWARDS IT AND WE SHOULDN'T TOWARDS IT AND WE SHOULDN'T ABANDON IT AT THIS STAGE. ABANDON IT AT THIS STAGE. WE FIRST AND FOREMOST NEED A WE FIRST AND FOREMOST NEED A FULL ACCOUNTING OF THE FULL ACCOUNTING OF THE UNDISCLOSED SITES AND MY CONCERN UNDISCLOSED SITES AND MY CONCERN ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SET THIS UP, WITH ALL THE HAS SET THIS UP, WITH ALL THE FLATTERY AND ALL THE POMP AND FLATTERY AND ALL THE POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE IS THAT IF YOU PUT CIRCUMSTANCE IS THAT IF YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE ROOM OF THE YOURSELF IN THE ROOM OF THE NORTH KOREAN ADVISERS TO KIM NORTH KOREAN ADVISERS TO KIM JONG-UN THEY'RE SAYING HEY, MR. JONG-UN THEY'RE SAYING HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS GUY RELISHES AND

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